AR - Josh Duggar Admits Molesting Girls As A Teenager - #3

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What they said was that when it comes to young offenders like this they rarely continue, and since Josh hasn't offended since he likely won't, however .. I don't think anyone can be sure that he stopped offending in his teens considering how keen the family is to sweep everything under the rug.

I don't think he has. I do believe that in this case the statistic holds true. Why? Because if he had done anything to anyone else, we would have heard of it by now.

I just don't think anyone would be silent.

I just see so much oddness about their raising that I can see how that could contribute to this kind of behavior. Afraid to talk about it, afraid to ask questions afraid to express his feelings. Does that make it right? Nope. But I just can see so much around this that it is not clear and dry for me.

My son who is in elementary school just had a sex ed health class for 4 weeks. Just basic knowledge and what happens to boys in puberty, what to expect. We have already talked to him about some things and this was not about intercourse or anything but what it is like for a boy to go into puberty. What is normal for them.

I just don't see that happening for Josh. I think that he was a repressed boy who probably thought sex was a horrible thing and was curious about what girls looked and felt like. In a normal world he would have had a first crush or had kissed a girl .. or other normal things.. but in his world, I don't know.. All those hormones, no outlet...

I am not saying any of it is right. I just cannot take his upbringing and background out of it.

I really feel like if he was a pedophile or a criminal we would see that by now. We would see people crawling out of the woodwork accusing him.
 
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Excellent post. I've pondered in my mind for a good long while if it actually qualifies as sexual abuse because it's done by a child to a child (not shaming or questioning anyones experience, it happened to me). Your post makes so much sense and gives me some validation. Thank you. :)


Oh, I'm sorry you have struggled with some of this. I hope that you have not misread my post to mean I don't think it is sexual abuse. I'm pretty sure you are saying that the posts validates that it was.

It's definitely sexual abuse, even if it felt good or wasn't terrifying. This is crucial. Just like rape is still rape if the victim has an orgasm. That does happen and it's incredibly traumatic and that itself can have horrible ramifications for healthy sexuality later in life.
 
  • #164
I think that might be '...Republicans are tough on crime.'---perhaps only of a certain kind. Child molestation is 'aww shucks Jesus forgives you man, so do we.'

And right on time, more of Huckabee's logic:

Huckabee continued, “They have been known as a family that is a Christian family and if a liberal has anything like this kind of situation it’s no big deal.”

Seems to me, Mikey boy, you're the one making it into no big deal. And you're gonna need some of those godless liberal's votes if you expect to win the White House.

As if one can't be liberal AND Christian. For crying out loud.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...tions-mike-huckabee-on-duggar-family-support/
 
  • #165
I don't think he has. I do believe that in this case the statistic holds true. Why? Because if he had done anything to anyone else, we would have heard of it by now.

I just don't think anyone would be silent.

I just see so much oddness about their raising that I can see how that could contribute to this kind of behavior. Afraid to talk about it, afraid to ask questions afraid to express his feelings. Does that make it right? Nope. But I just can see so much around this that it is not clear and dry for me.

My son who is in elementary school just had a sex ed health class for 4 weeks. Just basic knowledge and what happens to boys in puberty, what to expect. We have already talked to him about some things and this was not about intercourse or anything but what it is like for a boy to go into puberty. What is normal for them.

I just don't see that happening for Josh. I think that he was a repressed boy who probably thought sex was a horrible thing and was curious about what girls looked and felt like. In a normal world he would have had a first crush or had kissed a girl .. or other normal things.. but in his world, I don't know.. All those hormones, no outlet...

I am not saying any of it is right. I just cannot take his upbringing and background out of it.

I really feel like if he was a pedophile or a criminal we would see that by now. We would see people crawling out of the woodwork accusing him.

Well, never mind that four of the victims were his own sisters, and one of them was only 5.
Any way I look at it, it doesn't' seem normal.
 
  • #166
The Duggars seem to me to be doing a version of DARVO (deny, attack, reverse victim and offender) which is a well-known phenomenon that abusers use to avoid accountability. In this case, it hasn't been Josh who's used this technique, but the parents who have used a form of DARVO on the media. So, rather than accept responsibility, they flip the script and paint themselves as the victims and the media or liberals as the offenders. I feel for the LE at Springdale who had her photograph put up at Fox news and the Duggars were making comments about her as if she had a personal vendetta. I would think that there would be grounds for some kind of legal action! The Duggars behavior is just so classic abuser behavior.

“The City will not dignify suggestions of misconduct in this matter by Chief O’Kelley with any comment beyond labeling them as outrageous and categorically false. Chief O’Kelley is a dedicated public servant whose career in law enforcement has been committed to duty and the adherence to the law.”

“With respect to the Police Chief’s reference to “unfinished business” cited in her retirement letter, those issues relate to issues of Departmental structure, organization and leadership succession planning and were no in reference to any case specific, including this one. Any suggestion or assertion otherwise is patently false.” http://5newsonline.com/2015/06/08/n...says-about-release-of-duggar-incident-report/

http://dynamic.uoregon.edu/jjf/defineDARVO.html
 
  • #167
And right on time, more of Huckabee's logic:



Seems to me, Mikey boy, you're the one making it into no big deal. And you're gonna need some of those godless liberal's votes if you expect to win the White House.

As if one can't be liberal AND Christian. For crying out loud.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...tions-mike-huckabee-on-duggar-family-support/

Well, I hate politics, absolutely loathe the topic. But I will say I'm pretty sure libs and reps alike want to protect children. There are a few ' issues' that both sides should universally agree upon and preying on children should be one. So for either side to now say this is the blues/ reds who support/ don't support child abusers will be very , very stupid . However, it looks like that is exactly what is about to happen. The other GOP candidates take heed from Huck's statements right now. NO ONE likes child abusers. It should be easy enough to knock him out of the nomination ( not that I think he had a chance at it anyway) by using his own pro-Duggar statements.

With that said let's unaminously agree to support " Child Protector for 2016" :)

( I don't actually vote any more, but if I did ;) )
 
  • #168
Just thought I'd post this today in case you're in need of chuckle. This is Anna's sister
Priscilla. For those of us that have watched the show, we know her. If not, you will today.:scared:

If you CAN POSSIBLY get by her facial expressions, she talks about a few of a mother's role...washing dishes, cooking and washing clothes, homeschooling, and of course TRAINING them for the Lord.



[video=youtube;LmUK2DIe4U0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmUK2DIe4U0[/video]
 
  • #169
I don't think he has. I do believe that in this case the statistic holds true. Why? Because if he had done anything to anyone else, we would have heard of it by now.

I just don't think anyone would be silent.

Well I don't see why this should be so. It's not like loads of sexual abuse victims aren't silent every day, everywhere... It is a notoriously underreported crime, and only a small portion of those who go to the police to complain go to the press to complain.

For instance, we haven't heard from the babysitter at all, and the Duggar girls were silent in public until it came out through other routes forced to do damage control for Josh.

Not everybody is looking forward to having the kind of media attention that you'd get from being a sexual abuse victim in the middle of a scandal in the best of circumstances, and there are several circumstances that might make it even harder for further victims to come out.

Suppose he abused some of his younger sisters they likely wouldn't come out as victims as the parents are their authority and the parents' party line is "he's learned his lesson and stopped and can we get our TLC income back please". The parents clearly desire for this to go away quietly and it would be very hard for the Duggar children to go against their parents I think, and there are financial motives to try to appear as a wholesome family.


Suppose he abused girls from their brand of religion there might be further issues with the defrauding, purity, etc. holding the victims back.

Then again, the Duggars said that he abused sleeping victims who knew nothing about it, so there might conceivably be further sleeping victims who know nothing about it.

Suppose he abused someone who is still a child, let's say, five or so, they're not going to even know how to call Fox News and tell the media all about it. Would they even be able to understand that what was happening was sexual abuse?

It would likely be up to the parents to call it sexual abuse and inform anyone (if they know about it) and apparently it's not unheard of in their circles that parents minimize and make excuses for and sweep sexual abuse under the rug. The ATI guidelines to dealing with abuse were linked here earlier and the offender was given multiple chances to repent and the church elders had to be consulted before the police, and calling CNN wasn't on the list. It wouldn't be in the proper, forgiving spirit at all and might bring shame to the cause of Christ.


Then if we uppose he abused his own children, they'd be even less likely to complain because they're still very young, it'd be their daddy, their authority and their provider, their mother's authority and provider (so she'd have a high threshold for reporting on their behalf) and the same under-the-rug culture issues apply.

And there's even a presidential candidate saying Josh is a swell guy and should be forgiven, so there. If the victims moved in the circles where Huckabee is revered there would likely be people in their social network who wouldn't react favorably if someone gave interviews, "yeah Josh abused me too".

Also, if any of the victims followed the Cosby scandal, they might have noticed that there's a lot of vitriol against women who come out as victims, branding them liars who are just jumping on the bandwagon, trying to ruin a good man's name because of politics etc. That wouldn't be encouraging I think.
 
  • #170
^^^^^

OMG, Dmacky! Watching that was very painful! There should be a law against that kind of silly. She must be vying for one of the Duggar boys and ingratiating herself to MD.

MOO
 
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^^^^^

OMG, Dmacky! Watching that was very painful! There should be a law against that kind of silly. She must be vying for one of the Duggar boys and ingratiating herself to MD.

MOO

LOL...except she's already married! Read my next post :smile:
 
  • #173
I didn't realize Priscilla was married, Dmacky. She looks so young and acts so silly. Going to watch your link now.

ETA: Watched a vid on the link and still do not like any of them! I read the article also.
 
  • #174
Just thought I'd post this today in case you're in need of chuckle. This is Anna's sister
Priscilla. For those of us that have watched the show, we know her. If not, you will today.:scared:

If you CAN POSSIBLY get by her facial expressions, she talks about a few of a mother's role...washing dishes, cooking and washing clothes, homeschooling, and of course TRAINING them for the Lord.



[video=youtube;LmUK2DIe4U0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmUK2DIe4U0[/video]

Look what the little kid is doing in the video? Is that Josie? I wouldn't have put something like that on youtube.
:laughing:
 
  • #175
Wow there JerseyGirl you are GOOD! I have been looking but I've had no luck.
Great sleuthing :bow:

Anna's expecting a girl next month. Anyone know her due date?
 
  • #176
I didn't realize Priscilla was married, Dmacky. She looks so young and acts so silly. Going to watch your link now.

ETA: Watched a vid on the link and still do not like any of them! I read the article also.

http://davidlovespriscilla.com/about-us/david-story/

http://davidlovespriscilla.com/about-us/priscillas-story/

David is a higher up at ATI, it's also been rumored forever that he is gay and that their marriage is a sham. His nickname for those not into the Duggars on the 'net is "The Fabulous David Waller". [joke].

https://www.linkedin.com/in/davidwwaller
 
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Don't forget In Touch says they have more on the Fuggars and we have speculated they will release more information every Wednesday.

I'm betting Josh and Anna are in Florida by her parents.
 
  • #179
Just thought I'd post this today in case you're in need of chuckle. This is Anna's sister
Priscilla. For those of us that have watched the show, we know her. If not, you will today.:scared:

If you CAN POSSIBLY get by her facial expressions, she talks about a few of a mother's role...washing dishes, cooking and washing clothes, homeschooling, and of course TRAINING them for the Lord.



[video=youtube;LmUK2DIe4U0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmUK2DIe4U0[/video]

Oy vey! Google tells me this woman will turn 29 in July! Is that true? She acts like a 13 year-old.
 
  • #180
Oy vey! Google tells me this woman will turn 29 in July! Is that true? She acts like a 13 year-old.

It's been rumored that she may be developmentally delayed.
 
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