AR - Josh Duggar Admits Molesting Girls As A Teenager - #3

[IzzyBlanche]

Awaiting requisite Duggar "But I confessed my 'mistakes' to Jesus and he forgave me, so it's okay" statement in 3, 2, 1....

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Truer words were never spoken:

Ashley Madison's address book is on the internet. But Jesus says: "There is nothing hidden that will not be disclosed, and nothing concealed that will not be known or brought out into the open." If Christians are inclined to read the first of those sentences and gloat, they should read the second and tremble.

I would add, especially if those Christians happen to be in Ashley Madison's address book.

http://www.christiantoday.com/artic....cheering.the.adultery.website.hack/62425.htm

 

[gitana1]

I really feel sorry for his wife. I think she is sweet as pie. Poor thing. And divorce is no option for her. She's stuck with that pig.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I can only imagine what the Duggars and their ilk would be sanctimoniously proclaiming right now had AM been a website for gays/transgenders to cheat on their partners.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I really feel sorry for his wife. I think she is sweet as pie. Poor thing. And divorce is no option for her. She's stuck with that pig.

BBM for focus.

I can't decide whether I do or not.

On one hand, assuming she didn't know about Josh's past "mistakes" with his sisters until it became public this year, I cannot imagine why she didn't scoop up her daughter and run for the hills to protect her and her soon-to-be born daughter as soon as she found out.

On the other hand, as others have posted, maybe she was too brainwashed from birth to even consider such a strategy.

So IDK. Reserving judgment (and sympathy) until I know more.

 

[jjenny]

No. I hadn't. Thanks for letting me know.

There got to be a lot of people shaking in their boots right now.

 

[Donjeta]

Bwahahahaha
How about them family values then?

I would say that i'm not surprised... but I am a little. So he wants to do adults too?

 

[gitana1]

With respect, I'm not sure how much choice she had or has in the matter. The marriage was basically arranged. Her parents belong to the same perverse religious sect as the Duggars. I would imagine that her opinion was not a matter of anyone's concern. She would have also lacked any ability to evaluate the situation objectively, and would have been unlikely to have voiced any opposition. I don't really know enough to judge her, but I fear that she is also a victim of the patriarchal and chauvinistic lifestyle that the Duggars and her parents espouse.

Agreed.

If I am 100% honest, I do not feel bad for his wife one bit. She is an adult. She chose him and now is choosing to stay with him KNOWING all this. His sisters were children. They did not have a choice.

She had no choice either. At the time of her arranged marriage she was like a child herself. And she remains so in many ways. She is somewhat like a domestic violence victim but without the life experience or wisdom of most any woman her age.

 

[Montjoy]

BBM for focus.

I can't decide whether I do or not.

rsbm

I get where you're coming from. I just don't think she had a chance -- or at least not a fair chance. But maybe it's because I'm male, and I think that the Duggars' faith is oppressively misogynist. I just feel badly for her.

I don't think we will ever have enough evidence to judge her. Without it being patronizing, I am comfortable judging him.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Just throwing out a thought experiment.

Imagine all the genders here reversed.

Would the prevailing sentiment really be "Poor Josh, didn't have a chance, he was the victim of brainwashing and arranged marriage in a misandrist cult, so he was not much more than a child himself when he married, and therefore couldn't be expected to step up and protect his kids from possible sexual abuse from his wife, even after he learned she had sexually abused kids as a teen?"

 

[gitana1]

Not only do I see Anna staying with him, I see a 'make-up' baby in the future. When I was younger, it seemed like every time a person I knew or knew of got caught cheating, a baby appeared within a year.

How would we know the difference? They're Quiverfull. They have kids- year after year. It's their culture.

BBM for focus.

I can't decide whether I do or not.

On one hand, assuming she didn't know about Josh's past "mistakes" with his sisters until it became public this year, I cannot imagine why she didn't scoop up her daughter and run for the hills to protect her and her soon-to-be born daughter as soon as she found out.

On the other hand, as others have posted, maybe she was too brainwashed from birth to even consider such a strategy.

So IDK. Reserving judgment (and sympathy) until I know more.

She knew about his sexual abuse prior to marriage. But she also "knew" he had repented and been forgiven. She was not like a normal human of 18 or 19 or 20. She knew nothing about sexual abuse. They don't watch t.v. Or listen to the radio. They are sheltered severely within their unique and confining culture. One that states that men and boys are above women and girls and have total authority over the women in their lives and totally control their daughter's and wives' and sister's bodies and sexuality. And the women trust implicitly in that authority and the redemption of God.

So how in God's name would that young woman have even a hint of the tools or knowledge necessary then or even now to protect herself or her future children?

She is totally screwed. No recourse, no options, no choice but to continue on, seek prayer and counsel from her patriarchy - the elders in her church and her father and father in law- and to seek refuge in what she knows to be true- God forgives, it is the female's fault if a man becomes "defrauded" and God will not tolerate independent thought, divorce or birth control.

 

[gitana1]

Just throwing out a thought experiment.

Imagine all the genders here reversed.

Would the prevailing sentiment really be "Poor Josh, didn't have a chance, he was the victim of brainwashing and arranged marriage in a misandrist cult, so he was not much more than a child himself when he married, and therefore couldn't be expected to step up and protect his kids from possible sexual abuse from his wife, even after he learned she had sexually abused kids as a teen?"

If that was a thing- if misandry was a cultural trait that permeated through societal norms and laws both today and throughout all of recordable history, then sure. Why not?

But that's not the case. The reality is that these people are from an incredibly unfathomably, strictly patriarchal and misogynist society that operates within a larger patriarchal society in which culture already allows women's reproduction and sexual activity, including defining what rape is, to be controlled by men, and continues to use financial and other pressures to devalue women and to discourage and punish their social and medical autonomy and their participation in business, politics, math and science, with small variation relatively speaking, since the beginning of humankind, that we know of.

Anna Duggar never stood a chance.

 

[mnegri1973]

If that was a thing- if misandry was a cultural trait that permeated through societal norms and laws both today and throughout all of recordable history, then sure. Why not?

But that's not the case. The reality is that these people are from an incredibly unfathomably, strictly patriarchal and misogynist society that operates within a larger patriarchal society in which culture already allows women's reproduction and sexual activity, including defining what rape is, to be controlled by men, and continues to use financial and other pressures to devalue women and to discourage and punish their social and medical autonomy and their participation in business, politics, math and science, with small variation relatively speaking, since the beginning of humankind, that we know of.

Anna Duggar never stood a chance.

I completely agree!! I'm really hoping that Anna's father steps in and takes control. I can't see Pa and Ma Duggar stepping in to help Anna or her children. They will be in full protect Josh mode. Oh gee, I just had a thought, let's hope they don't try to keep Anna in the family by having her marry one of the other boys. Isn't there one right under Josh who is a twin and not married?

I just keep thinking what else do JB and M have hidden in a dark corner.

Mel


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[gngr~snap]

Good luck with that!
Can you say divorced and disowned?
18 Diggers and Subtracting....
Will more likely be the next reality show.
There's more ugly where that came from!
Moo
"Bold faced names implicated in the breach include*disgraced reality TV star Josh Duggar*— accused of molesting five minors — who signed up using a credit card linked to a billing address that matches his grandmother’s home in Fayetteville, Ark.,*according to Gawker."

http://nypost.com/2015/08/19/josh-duggar-had-an-ashley-madison-account/

"The subscriptions are said to have been active from February 2013 until May 2015 – a time period during which Duggar was not only married to his wife, Anna, but also served as the executive director of the Family Research Council"

http://www.people.com/article/josh-duggar-ashley-madison-account-cheating-molestation-scandal
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[Mrs G Norris]

Well, this is awkward ..

 

[gngr~snap]

It's basically just over now.

"It was pretty improbable that there were going to be any specials on any of the Duggars anyway," the source tells PEOPLE. "But now,
with this, there's virtually no chance. It's basically just over now."*

http://www.people.com/article/josh-duggar-ashley-madison-account-cheating-molestation-scandal

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[Donjeta]

I completely agree!! I'm really hoping that Anna's father steps in and takes control. I can't see Pa and Ma Duggar stepping in to help Anna or her children. They will be in full protect Josh mode. Oh gee, I just had a thought, let's hope they don't try to keep Anna in the family by having her marry one of the other boys. Isn't there one right under Josh who is a twin and not married?

I just keep thinking what else do JB and M have hidden in a dark corner.

Mel


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IIRC, in the wedding episode Anna's father talked about how his authority over Anna got transferred to Josh now. And Anna's saying that Josh confessed all before the engagement. So instead of hitting his fist on the table and saying, "over my dead body", Papa Keller was quite happy to transfer his authority over his daughter to an incestuous child molester.


JMO but I have no faith in Anna's parents ability and willingness to step in and protect Anna and their grandchildren. If they had the instinct to do so, they'd have never agreed to this marriage.

 

[TorisMom003]

How would we know the difference? They're Quiverfull. They have kids- year after year. It's their culture.



She knew about his sexual abuse prior to marriage. But she also "knew" he had repented and been forgiven. She was not like a normal human of 18 or 19 or 20. She knew nothing about sexual abuse. They don't watch t.v. Or listen to the radio. They are sheltered severely within their unique and confining culture. One that states that men and boys are above women and girls and have total authority over the women in their lives and totally control their daughter's and wives' and sister's bodies and sexuality. And the women trust implicitly in that authority and the redemption of God.

So how in God's name would that young woman have even a hint of the tools or knowledge necessary then or even now to protect herself or her future children?

She is totally screwed. No recourse, no options, no choice but to continue on, seek prayer and counsel from her patriarchy - the elders in her church and her father and father in law- and to seek refuge in what she knows to be true- God forgives, it is the female's fault if a man becomes "defrauded" and God will not tolerate independent thought, divorce or birth control.

IIRC, in the wedding episode Anna's father talked about how his authority over Anna got transferred to Josh now. And Anna's saying that Josh confessed all before the engagement. So instead of hitting his fist on the table and saying, "over my dead body", Papa Keller was quite happy to transfer his authority over his daughter to an incestuous child molester.


JMO but I have no faith in Anna's parents ability and willingness to step in and protect Anna and their grandchildren. If they had the instinct to do so, they'd have never agreed to this marriage.

BBM

The problem with Anna's claim that she and her parents knew about Josh's doings before they were married is that her timeline does NOT add up. Anna claims that Josh told them 2 years before they were married, however 2 years before they were married Josh was "engaged" to another girl. 2 years before the marriage was when Anna and her parents met the Duggars (and Josh) for the first time. No way in hello that Josh, JB and Michelle volunteered that information to a family that were strangers to them and that Josh was not engaged to or dating their daughter. IMO someone (like Josh, his father, or her father) told Anna to lie to "protect" the family and the Duggar name. My thought is that Anna did not know the extent of what Josh truly had done until she heard about it the same time the rest of us did. However since their "religion" looks at women/girls as nothing more than baby makers and put on earth to do whatever the men/boys want then Anna had no real choice in the matter. Either she stays with him, even now, or she leaves him AND her "religion" altogether.

MOO

 

[blefuscu]

I do feel sorry for Anna. She has been brought up in a misogynistic, paternalistic, controlling lifestyle since she was born. She's no more than a possession to Josh. Josh on the other hand, being male, can do no wrong in this cult. He should have been reported and arrested for the abuse of his sisters, and he should be dumped by Anna, but he won't be. Life will continue for the Duggars.

 

[JerseyGirl]

I don't feel sorry for Anna. She knew what she was getting into, even Pa Keller warned her before marriage to keep Josh away from the computer, or something like that. Anna is drinking the Duggar kool-aid. No way would she want to go back to living a trailer in the middle of Florida. The Duggars had to know this **** was going to hit the fan. Why wasn't Josh photographed at Michael Bates' wedding over the weekend, but Anna's face was there front and center smiling wide!

Anna is/was stupid not to leave the courtship when the molestation stuff came out, either 12 years ago or this year to the public.