AR - Josh Duggar Admits Molesting Girls As A Teenager - #3

[Mrs G Norris]

Hopefully Jimbob and Michelle will share some of the $25 million a year they made with Anna because what kind of job can Josh get to support his precious family?

star sounds like a career choice he would like. I think it would work.

Used car salesman? Wasn't that a goal at one point ... Seems fitting.

 

[Donjeta]

Again, interesting. I myself have heard it used only by non-Christians alluding to so-called Christians, but with the same logic: you [Christians] can't criticize [gays, transgenders, for example] if you're not perfect yourself. You ESPECIALLY since you claim to be followers of Jesus's teachings.

As far as Jesus forgiving, well, mostly he did and sometimes he didn't. Just ask the money lenders (not directed at you, Donjeta, but at the reasoning of others that you posted).

IIRC Jesus was quite harsh at hypocrites...

Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples:


2 The Pharisees and the teachers of the Law are experts in the Law of Moses. 3 So obey everything they teach you, but don’t do as they do. After all, they say one thing and do something else.
...
27 You Pharisees and teachers are in for trouble! You’re nothing but show-offs. You’re like tombs that have been whitewashed.[c] On the outside they are beautiful, but inside they are full of bones and filth. 28 That’s what you are like. Outside you look good, but inside you are evil and only pretend to be good.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+23&version=CEV

So guys, I saved my first kiss for marriage, you should all look up to me because i'm so chaste and never mind my multiple AM accounts.

 

[T4Tide]

I understand you aren't aligned with any particular movement or sect, but they are out there and they want to make America a theocracy, or at least officially a "Christian nation."

I'm not expecting you to answer for them and their actions, but I'm curious why you think a Christian nation could never be formed. Because tbh it's a frightening idea to me.

From February 2015:



http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_22415.pdf

I didn't say a Christian nation couldn't be formed. If there was a nation of true Christians (like, people actually being like Jesus) it would be an awesome place to live.

However, that wasn't what I was speaking of. A true Christian nation wouldn't "stone homosexuals." Those would be false Christians sinning by taking it upon themselves to judge as God does.

I don't know who "they" are. Just like everyone going to the library isn't there to check out the same book, all Christian people shouldn't be categorized by the thoughts and actions of others. Like I said before, Christianity is a choice. God doesn't want people to be governed to choose Him, or be beaten to choose Him, or terrorized to choose Him. Just like the love I desire from my husband, God wants me to willingly choose to love Him. I wouldn't want our government to choose a religion unlike mine, and likewise I cannot make the choice for anyone else to choose or be governed by Christianity. I don't understand why people who claim to believe in my Christ think that they are acting in God's Will if they conquer all other religions. Christ already conquered, and He just wants people to personally place faith in that, not be physically, verbally, or mentally abused by those spewing hatred and discord in His Name.

 

[gitana1]

snipped by me

Actually, there are lots of logical thinking people who believe God's Word in that it IS our duty to forgive others just as he forgave us. It's in the Lord's Prayer...one of the most commonly known scriptures.

However, forgiveness doesn't mean FORGETNESS. I have forgiven many people who have wronged me, but our relationships changed. Now, depending on the circumstances, I would forgive my husband. Circumstances being he came to me and confessed without being outed, he was sincere, etc. I feel that I would owe it to him and my children to at least try, well...because I pledged "for better or worse." But our relationship would change. If it happened again, we'd probably get a divorce, but I'd still forgive him. Forgiveness means to "stop feeling angry or resentful toward (someone) for an offense, flaw, or mistake." Forgiveness doesn't mean condoning or excusing. A lot of people are confusing forgiveness with just ignoring or excusing someone's behaviors. For my personal benefit, for my children, and because I believe it's part of being a Christian, I would stop feeling angry and resentful towards my husband, but he'd still be my EX-husband. MOO

Also... from another post way far back that I didn't quote:

I just wanted to point out that there could never be a "Christian nation" formed out of a southern state where they stoned people. Christians follow CHRIST, and Jesus never stoned anyone. He forgave them. They would be the characters that Jesus denounced in these verses:

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’ Matthew 7:21-23

I loved all your post and agree with everything except the BBM. If all Christians followed only Christ's teachings, why do many Christian extremists repeatedly cite the old testament to support denying people's rights?

You may not think a Christian nation would favor stoning. How about burning at the stake? Drowing? Squeezing to death? Because we did all of that here in America when it was a Christian nation and we did it per biblical law. And some want to be that way again:

At the apex of hard Dominionism is the religious dogma of Dominion Theology, with two major branches: Christian Reconstructionism and Kingdom Now theology.

"While differing from Reconstructionism in many ways, Kingdom Now shares the belief that Christians have a mandate to take dominion over every area of life," explains religion scholar Bruce Barron. And it is just this tendency that has spread through evangelical Protestantism, resulting in the emergence of "various brands of `dominionist' thinkers in contemporary American evangelicalism," according to Barron.
The most militant Dominion Theologists would silence dissenters and execute adulterers, homosexuals and recalcitrant children. No...seriously. OK, they would only be executed for repeated offenses, explain some defenders of Christian Reconstructionism. http://www.publiceye.org/christian_right/dominionism.htm

 

[Friday Fan]

You know, though... while my first instinct is to be disgusted by people like this, I believe that "Christians" who act this way have the knowledge that they are forgiven by Christ, but *they* haven't forgiven themselves. Because of this, acting pompous elevates them to a inflated feeling of righteousness that really is just ultimately masking their insecurity and disgust at their own transgressions. How terrible to be stuck in such a state. It doesn't excuse their actions, but like my pastor says "Healthy people contribute healthy things to relationships. Hurting people hurt other people."

I don't get that impression with the Duggars. I put them in the same category as televangelists. They're out to make $$$$. I feel like they are "using" religion to make money. I saw this ad naseum with Jim and Tammy Faye Baker, Robert Tilton, Benny Hinn, Jimmy Swagart. In other words, they are pompous because they are pompous.

We've got a televangelist down the road from us who has this huge mega-church where he has his face on a huge electronic billboard. He looks like a fatter uglier version of Newt Gingrich - imagine seeing that when you're driving. :sick:The guy is loaded $$$ (books, TV, seminars etc) and brings in people like Newt Gingrich and they preach this gun loving/war loving/we need to send arms to the middle east type of politics because of the rapture. :sick: When they advocate killing and going to war and using guns, I don't see this as Christianity. I see it as politics that is using/abusing religion or just plain old profiting in the name of God. (OK- off my soapbox)

 

[gitana1]

Why 80 days for girls vs. 40 days for boys?

It's ancient Judaic law regarding purity and pollution. Purely Old Testament.

 

[Friday Fan]

Rev John Hagee in San Antonio has this huge church that caters to conservative politicians has called the Roman Catholic church “the great of Babylon,” My husband is Catholic. I'm Armenian, but attend Catholic Mass. I don't consider the Catholic church to be the "great of Babylon". (Where does Hagee get this stuff?)

Catholics and Armenians (well maybe Kim Kardashian has a bit of Babylon going on - LOL) have personal relationships with Christ. We're faith and family based. Armenians are far from Babylon type people. (Trust me. We're mostly boring.)

 

[gitana1]

Just as the scripture I posted above says, there are many, many people who claim to be Christians and do, say, create things in His Name. My beliefs don't align with any movement, sect, denominations, reconstructions, or theocracies. My beliefs as a Christian are to live as close to Jesus' example as possible. The whole point of Christianity is the following and accepting of Christ in a personal and intimate way. This can't be achieved in a group, a movement, or by force of any reigning or governing bodies. It's a chosen relationship.

I'm with you. I agree. But they call themselves Christians (people with what I believe are un-Christian beliefs) and they believe themselves to be Christians and society views them as Christian as well.

 

[bluesneakers]

I have come across the quote in social media and the point the poster was trying to make you can't criticize Josh Duggar for molesting his sisters if you're not perfect yourself. Jesus forgives.

That's exactly what I mean. It's like once a Christian admits sin and apologizes the whole imperfect world has to understand and forgive him, and stop throwing stones because we're not perfect either now, are we? It's as if simply trotting out a Bible verse clears him of all wrongdoing.

Real, true, upper-level public hypocrites are the worst.

 

[Friday Fan]

That's exactly what I mean. It's like once a Christian admits sin and apologizes the whole imperfect world has to understand and forgive him, and stop throwing stones because we're not perfect either now, are we? It's as if simply trotting out a Bible verse clears him of all wrongdoing.

Real, true, upper-level public hypocrites are the worst.

Don't through stones at us, (Josh) but we'll throw stones at you. (Robocalls about transgenders in bathrooms etc)

 

[bluesneakers]

Rev John Hagee in San Antonio has this huge church that caters to conservative politicians has called the Roman Catholic church “the great of Babylon,” My husband is Catholic. I'm Armenian, but attend Catholic Mass. I don't consider the Catholic church to be the "great of Babylon". (Where does Hagee get this stuff?)

Catholics and Armenians (well maybe Kim Kardashian has a bit of Babylon going on - LOL) have personal relationships with Christ. We're faith and family based. Armenians are far from Babylon type people. (Trust me. We're mostly boring.)

From the Bible of course. If the Pope is the anti-Christ it makes sense the Church would be the of Babylon (What must the Vatican Army be?). The anti-Christ needs a of a Church for .... reasons.

PS: I find it amusing how Fundamentalists take everything literally until they get to Revelations and then it transforms into a metaphorical fear-mongering free-for-all.

PS2: I wish they were more clear about which pope. I would love to see Pope Francis wreak havoc all over the damn planet. I think the opposite of what they want to happen would happen.

PS4: Armenians are not boring.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

It's ancient Judaic law regarding purity and pollution. Purely Old Testament.

God, she'd be hoping for a girl every time wouldn't she?

 

[SCHMAE]

Get your vomit buckets ready before you read this

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...helle-s-marriage-tip-NOT-deny-spouse-sex.html

Gold star for all of those who called this one yesterday ! She denied him sex so he turned into a pervert ......... sigh. So, yeah, I do feel sorry for this girl. She hasn't got a clue.

ETA And another gold star for anyone who can name that bible verse that says when a man wants sex, he gets it no matter what ! On your mark, get set, go !

 

[TorisMom003]

Gold star for all of those who called this one yesterday ! She denied him sex so he turned into a pervert ......... sigh. So, yeah, I do feel sorry for this girl. She hasn't got a clue.

ETA And another gold star for anyone who can name that bible verse that says when a man wants sex, he gets it no matter what ! On your mark, get set, go !

Ephesians 5:22 Wives submit yourselves to your own husbands (as you do to the Lord).

The problem is, they use the first part of that verse and forget about the rest of it or the following verses to make it a point that it says so in the Bible that wives must submit themselves to their husbands.

Now, where is my gold star?

 

[SCHMAE]

Ephesians 5:22 Wives submit yourselves to your own husbands (as you do to the Lord).

The problem is, they use the first part of that verse and forget about the rest of it or the following verses to make it a point that it says so in the Bible that wives must submit themselves to their husbands.

Now, where is my gold star?

You think that means sexually ? Because I would venture to say women are not to submit sexually to God ? And yes they forget all the verses that are telling men how to behave . I had a friend who used to totally diss on this verse , claiming women's liberation type talk and I tried to explain to her that if the husband was following ALL of God's rules for him, being an absolute angel on earth and pure in every thought and action, as the husbands are told, then wives would be happy to ' submit ' because they would feel that the husband would never make a wrong choice or a wrong rule or a demand. So, if the husband is as near to Christ like as he can be, he would never ASK for sex from an exhausted mother of 18 kids when she's not in the mood to. It would NOT happen. Becuase he respects her and honors her and wants her to be happy and content at all times. But , sadly, husbands are not like that , are they ? Sorry , dudes. We're not submitting to your nonsense !

I always think of the little gold star stickers I had in kindergarten that the teacher put on a chart for good behavior. This one may require some investigating.

And sidenote, I was just thinking of all the Duggar rules that Josh does break, why not break the masturbating rule once in awhile and give that wife a break? kwim

 

[threecrazykids]

Gold star for all of those who called this one yesterday ! She denied him sex so he turned into a pervert ......... sigh. So, yeah, I do feel sorry for this girl. She hasn't got a clue.

ETA And another gold star for anyone who can name that bible verse that says when a man wants sex, he gets it no matter what ! On your mark, get set, go !

OOH OOH PICK ME PICK ME! I found it (hahahaha):

1Cor 7:5 Do not refuse one another, unless perharps it is just for a time and by mutual consent.

1Cor 7:3-4 - the husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does; likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does.

I have a feeling that when JBD and his cohorts taught these verses they maybe just skipped right on over the part about women having equal say in their bodies...I mean, after all, women should blindly follow their husbands "Godly" teachings and get on her back already...there's babies a waitin'.

:gaah:

 

[RickshawFan]

Bwahahahaha
How about them family values then?

I would say that i'm not surprised... but I am a little. So he wants to do adults too?

Do we know if the was adult or kiddie ? If the latter, behind bars time is coming.....

 

[T4Tide]

I loved all your post and agree with everything except the BBM. If all Christians followed only Christ's teachings, why do many Christian extremists repeatedly cite the old testament to support denying people's rights?

You may not think a Christian nation would favor stoning. How about burning at the stake? Drowing? Squeezing to death? Because we did all of that here in America when it was a Christian nation and we did it per biblical law. And some want to be that way again:

At the apex of hard Dominionism is the religious dogma of Dominion Theology, with two major branches: Christian Reconstructionism and Kingdom Now theology.

"While differing from Reconstructionism in many ways, Kingdom Now shares the belief that Christians have a mandate to take dominion over every area of life," explains religion scholar Bruce Barron. And it is just this tendency that has spread through evangelical Protestantism, resulting in the emergence of "various brands of `dominionist' thinkers in contemporary American evangelicalism," according to Barron.
The most militant Dominion Theologists would silence dissenters and execute adulterers, homosexuals and recalcitrant children. No...seriously. OK, they would only be executed for repeated offenses, explain some defenders of Christian Reconstructionism. http://www.publiceye.org/christian_right/dominionism.htm

Because my point is being missed.

"Christian" extremists aren't Christians at all. Granted, it is not in my power to know or judge anyone's heart, but scripture says to “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them." Matthew 7:15-20

For instance, an abortion clinic bomber. That isn't a true Christian! That's a religious nut! A true Christian wouldn't murder those who need Jesus the most! We are called to show His Love to others. Everyone who labels themselves Christian isn't Christian. Some think that just means attending a Christian church or they are Christian because their parents are. This isn't how true Christianity works. Christianity is the following of Christ. Not the old law. Christ is light, purity, holiness, love, kindness, and comforting. He was meek and respectful. On the road to His Cross, He never lashed out, cursed anyone, or resorted to violence. Why, in Heaven's Name, should we, then? What did He do instead?? He asked MERCY and FORGIVENESS on His tormentors. Christians should detest evil and flee from it!

I have chosen to follow Him. My heart (and the Bible) tells me that LOVE is the answer. It endures all things, and surpasses all things. No matter what the world does or says, even those who claim to be followers of the same man, I believe that following Him means truly living like Him. It does sadden me to the core that because so many people have shown evil and hatred in Jesus' Name that our current world can't even see who He really was.

MOO

 

[Bravo]

Do we know if the was adult or kiddie ? If the latter, behind bars time is coming.....

I have been wondering the same as to the . Without cause how is LE going to get to his computer?

 

[T4Tide]

Ephesians 5:22 Wives submit yourselves to your own husbands (as you do to the Lord).

The problem is, they use the first part of that verse and forget about the rest of it or the following verses to make it a point that it says so in the Bible that wives must submit themselves to their husbands.

Now, where is my gold star?

Yes, yes, yes. What the Bible is describing isn't a male dominated relationship. It's describing marriage as a beautiful dance. I see a loving couple, gracefully moving together in sync and as fluid as water. The man may lead this dance, but they move together so perfectly that as they move, one can't really tell who is actually "leading." If the lead dancer doesn't know the steps, the dance will suffer. If the other partner chooses not to follow the lead, the dance suffers. But... when they both submit unto each other, they move fluidly, effortlessly, and beautifully in each other's arms. THIS is marriage. Two people, in true communion with one another, waltzing to the same melody, with passion and desire. Two become one. Not 1 1/4 and 3/4s.

In too many marriages, there are two dancers fighting for the lead, pulling and bucking, dancing to songs with different rhythms and melodies, tripping, stepping on one another's toes, and moving in different directions. That's no dance....and it's obvious. Then they get mad at each other and pout because neither one got their way and the dance failed. They leave the studio, never understanding that it was the actions of both of them that caused the discord.

In a Biblical marriage, God is the DJ. [emoji38]