AR - Josh Duggar Admits Molesting Girls As A Teenager - #3

[JerseyGirl]

it's being mentioned that he is here:

http://ruhomes.org/

http://reformersrecovery.com/schools
The Reformers Unanimous Schools of Discipleship is a six month intensive discipleship programs for men and women with addictions. They provide a reconstructive learning atmosphere where the addicted can be discipled in an environment that is much like a greenhouse. The addict is protected from the elements of life as they become grounded, rooted and begin to grow and mature. Their residential treatment homes that are intended for the “non-functioning” addict can effectively minister to up to 100 men and 40 ladies.

Which explains the Rockford, IL Duggar plane landing the other night:
http://ruhomes.org/about-us/about-rockford

 

[gitana1]

But it all makes sense somehow. He's Josh Duggar, a reality tv star and the firstborn of a fundie royalty family. When he gets caught with his pants down he's not just your regular garden variety hypocrite, he's the biggest hypocrite in the world. So when he wants to pay for sex, it's got to be a glamorous star... not just any old hooker would suit his consequence.

I sure hope he didn't treat Anna like that.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Josh Duggar Checks Himself Into "Long-Term Treatment Center" Following Cheating Admission

Francesca Bacardi, eonline
Seconds ago

Josh Duggar is getting help.

According to the Duggar family, the 27-year-old father of four has checked into a long-term treatment center. The Duggars released another statement on their website regarding their eldest son following his confession to cheating on wife Anna Duggar and having a addiction...

http://my.xfinity.com/articles/entertainment-eonline/20150826/b690028/

 

[sorrell skye]

But it all makes sense somehow. He's Josh Duggar, a reality tv star and the firstborn of a fundie royalty family. When he gets caught with his pants down he's not just your regular garden variety hypocrite, he's the biggest hypocrite in the world. So when he wants to pay for sex, it's got to be a glamorous star... not just any old hooker would suit his consequence.

BBM

Being the Duggar Prince, he probably balked at having to pay for sex with anyone (even a star), which was perhaps why he supposedly shortchanged her in their first alleged encounter. If that report is true, the Prince may have expected her professional services for free.

As for the Prince not wearing a condom - Dillon also bears the responsibility to protect herself and to insist that her sexual partners wear a condom.

 

[MsMarple]

While I'm glad Josh is away from Anna for a little while I'm skeptical about the notion of Josh needing to go to an addiction program. It just seems like yet another way to deflect blame; Josh is "addicted" to , Josh is "addicted" to adultery. Really? How about Josh is just like the other men who joined AM - selfish, self-absorbed entitled men who were looking for a good time with no strings attached and couldn't be bothered to think about how it might impact their partners?

Why is Josh's case so special? Will it be said that all the men on AM are "addicted?" Will there be a surge of men checking into rehab programs? Nah, I don't think so; the Duggars are attempting to spin Josh's actions as something that's somehow beyond his control when the reality is that he did what he wanted to do and the hell with Anna and his kids and oops! he got caught.

So in six months or so he'll emerge "cured" of this affliction that wasn't really his fault after all and he and Anna can hit the (paid) public appearance circuit to talk about how he came back from the Devil's clutches. Another success story. Bah.

And as for the rehab - there's nothing I can find on the website that indicates any professional mental health staff:

http://ruhomes.org/about-us/staff

So really, it's just another, more expensive version of Josh's prior "counseling." Which makes me wonder about the so-called counseling Anna is receiving.

 

[Inthedetails]

BBM

Being the Duggar Prince, he probably balked at having to pay for sex with anyone (even a star), which was perhaps why he supposedly shortchanged her in their first alleged encounter. If that report is true, the Prince may have expected her professional services for free.

As for the Prince not wearing a condom - Dillon also bears the responsibility to protect herself and to insist that her sexual partners wear a condom.

I don't think he could afford the sex he purchased. He has a bunch of kids and a wife to support - not to mention the Ashley Madison account to pay for. I do think he was probably cheap, but I also think he doesn't have the cash to live the life he wanted.

One more reason to educate our daughters in everything - including household finances!! Wives shouldn't be kept in the dark about where the money goes, which it looks like happened in Josh and Anna's household.

As for the condom thing, I agree. It's strange a star didn't insist on it as that's her own health she is also risking. And it is SUPER DISRESPECTFUL of Anna. It's beyond disrepectful - it's a disregard for the well-being of his precious wife.

Blech.

JMO.

 

[Donjeta]

http://reformersrecovery.com/how-to-overcome-🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬-addiction-2

So they teach you that once you started viewing you become helpless and you can't stop. You have to rape people.

#4 The Acting Out of the Role – Psychologists and sociologists have found that these steps invariably occur: first, addiction; then escalation; next desensitization; and, finally, the acting out of the role. After viewing the pornographic material and gradually becoming more and more debased, the individual suddenly finds himself desirous of acting out the role he’s been viewing or reading about. At this point he might try to get his wife or girl friend to act out the female role in such situations – whatever they may be. If he doesn’t have a wife or girlfriend, rape or force is resorted to with strange women – or even children. The compulsion does inevitably develop, however, to act out the role.

 

[sorrell skye]

:gaah: star Danica Dillon says she had sex twice with married Josh Duggar
:gaah: Under lie detector test she told how they had unprotected 'rough' sessions
:gaah: Anna Duggar was at least five months pregnant at the time of the trysts
:gaah: Dillon, a star since 2009, said reality star was 'terrifying' in bedroom
:gaah: She also claims the evangelical paid her $1,500 after one encounter
:gaah: Dillon said she is sure there are 'plenty' of women waiting to come forward

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...wife-pregnant-fourth-child.html#ixzz3jvnD9cYd

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She’s saying that Anna should leave him now, before even worse stories come out! :gaah:

http://radaronline.com/celebrity-news/josh-duggar-🤬🤬🤬🤬-star-danica-dillon-cheating-hotel/

BBM

"Rough" sex can be (not always) a euphemism for anal sex. "Rough" sex can also mean exactly what the phrase implies - violent sex.

If this report is true, I wonder what Pastor Ronnie has to say to his congregants now? Is his next sermon going to be a stern lecture to wives that they must submit to terrifying, violent sex, lest they risk the "enemy" stealing their husbands from them?

 

[Teche]

I guess he's be "doing construction" as part of the treatment plan.
I believe more trysts will be exposed.

 

[seattlechiquita]

Dang.... this story is the gift that keeps on giving, eh?

Watching the 20/20 segment now.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

On the bright side, at least Josh didn't turn out to be a pedophile!

 

[gitana1]

While I'm glad Josh is away from Anna for a little while I'm skeptical about the notion of Josh needing to go to an addiction program. It just seems like yet another way to deflect blame; Josh is "addicted" to , Josh is "addicted" to adultery. Really? How about Josh is just like the other men who joined AM - selfish, self-absorbed entitled men who were looking for a good time with no strings attached and couldn't be bothered to think about how it might impact their partners?

Why is Josh's case so special? Will it be said that all the men on AM are "addicted?" Will there be a surge of men checking into rehab programs? Nah, I don't think so; the Duggars are attempting to spin Josh's actions as something that's somehow beyond his control when the reality is that he did what he wanted to do and the hell with Anna and his kids and oops! he got caught.

So in six months or so he'll emerge "cured" of this affliction that wasn't really his fault after all and he and Anna can hit the (paid) public appearance circuit to talk about how he came back from the Devil's clutches. Another success story. Bah.

And as for the rehab - there's nothing I can find on the website that indicates any professional mental health staff:

http://ruhomes.org/about-us/staff

So really, it's just another, more expensive version of Josh's prior "counseling." Which makes me wonder about the so-called counseling Anna is receiving.

Anna's counseling consists of pastors asking her to look at her "heart" and see how she bears blame for this, and asking for forgiveness.

It really chaps my hide that yet again, Josh is going to escape accountability. No treatment from a real professional. He doesn't need the same song and dance about "surrendering" to Christ, repenting and being forgiven. He needs to be taught something about the rights of women and children, ethics, the impact of sex abuse and betrayal on families, and the roots of this behavior. He will get NONE of that at that church camp.

BBM

"Rough" sex can be (not always) a euphemism for anal sex. "Rough" sex can also mean exactly what the phrase implies - violent sex.

If this report is true, I wonder what Pastor Ronnie has to say to his congregants now? Is his next sermon going to be a stern lecture to wives that they must submit to terrifying, violent sex, lest they risk the "enemy" stealing their husbands from them?

Wives must be "flexible" in the bedroom and accede to their husband's every desire. That has been explained and preached relentlessly:

Also, from a young age the children are instructed in God’s plan for their gender. Strict gender roles are the foundation of a patriarchal system. Girls learn their role is to be wives, mothers, and keepers at home. Michelle Duggar is also outspoken about her beliefs on a wife’s subservient role and need to be sexually available to her husband.

https://homeschoolersanonymous.wordpress.com/2015/05/23/gothards-ati-and-the-duggar-familys-secrets/
(And much more on the type of "counseling" Anna and Josh's sisters have received).

There are more blatant examples of excusing abusive male authority among stricter proponents of complementarianism and submission theology. In June 2007, professor of Christian theology at Southern Baptist Theological Seminary Bruce Ware told a Texas church that women often bring abuse on themselves by refusing to submit. And Debi Pearl, half of a husband-and-wife fundamentalist child-training ministry as well as author of the bestselling submission manual, Created to Be His Help Meet, writes that submission is so essential to God’s plan that it must be followed even to the point of allowing abuse. “When God puts you in subjection to a man whom he knows is going to cause you to suffer,” she writes, “it is with the understanding that you are obeying God by enduring the wrongful suffering.”

http://religiondispatches.org/biblical-battered-wife-syndrome-christian-women-and-domestic-violence/ (The Pearls are promoted by the Duggars).

I was raised in Advanced Training Institute (ATI), [founded by Bill Gothard] the fundamentalist Christian organization with which the family is affiliated. Joshua Duggar’s confession of sexually molesting young girls in his family’s home when he was a teenager didn’t surprise me, nor should it surprise anyone with any intimate knowledge about this organization, because ATI’s theological beliefs and practices cultivate an environment where women and children are more vulnerable to rape and sexual abuse.

Women were taught from a very young age that they are to be submissive in all things: allowing men to open doors for us (even to get out of a car), never initiating conversation with a man and never correcting a man when he was wrong. Essentially, a good ATI woman is sweet, silent, and obedient.This combination of zero sexual knowledge and deeply-ingrained submissiveness left many young girls in our church especially vulnerable to sexual abuse. As a teenager, I became aware that several of my friends were being molested by their older brothers or fathers. They would start stilted conversations with me about it, but none of us actually understood the concept of sex or rape or molestation enough to actually discuss it, so it stayed on the level of furtively whispered hints.
That vulnerability to abuse increases through the isolation of homeschool. The only hope of escape for young women was through courtship and marriage to a man, who would attempt to immediately impregnate her and to whom she would then relinquish all sexual control.

A cornerstone belief of ATI is that God appoints husbands in an “umbrella of authority” over their wives, who are mandated by God to obey their husbands completely. That includes absolute sexual and reproductive submission. The inevitable result of such a demand is the tacit sanctioning of spousal rape — if a woman’s body belongs to God and to her husband before it belongs to her, then her consent becomes irrelevant.

http://www.salon.com/2015/05/28/i_c...church_and_the_abuse_scandal_doesnt_shock_me/

In his July 11, 2015, post titled, “Is My Husband Raping Me?,” Mr. Biblical Gender Roles responds to an extremely distraught female reader whose husband frequently demands sex against her wishes, even when intercourse is painful for the wife.

Here’s the appalling “biblical response” to the question of whether it is wrong for a husband to have sex with his wife when she is in pain, according to Mr. Biblical Gender Roles:

“It depends. Had he just had sex with her in the last few days? Then perhaps he should have put her need to not experience more pain and discomfort ahead of his need for sex. But if she had been in pain for weeks or a month and he finally came to her and said ‘Babe I need this, I promise I will make it quick’ – then she should have put his need for sex above her need to not experience additional discomfort.”

​

“She seems to have been very grudgingly yielding to her husband, and while a Christian husband can accept grudgingly yielded sex – it does not make it right on the part of the wife to have such a horrible attitude.”

“A woman who has sex with her husband, even when she does not feel like it, even when her husband is not doing everything he should, is doing EXACTLY what God wants her to do. She is living according to the Spirit, and not according to the flesh.”

​

http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/rig...submitting-to-marital-rape-makes-jesus-happy/

The unnamed author notes that in a past post, “we established the fact that as a Christian husband you do not have to earn sex with your wife,” a stance for which he took a “beating,”he says. “But I stand by what I wrote, I feel that today we make far too many excuses for the sin of sexual denial in marriage, and as men of God we must address this issue without pulling punches.”

The author notes — ad nauseum — throughout his posts that a wife has no right to deny sex to her husband (while feebly adding that a husband can not deny sex to his wife in an attempt to justify the former viewpoint).

According to Skippy, a “Christian” wife has no right to tell her husband “no,” but she can ask for a delay if there are “legitimate physical or mental issues” that justify such a delay — if she asks “humbly and respectfully” and “always with the attitude in mind that her body does belong to her husband.”

It is not the wife’s decision if her reason for asking her husband to have sex with her at a later date is “legitimate,” however. That judgment is left entirely up to the husband.

“You are not being selfish when you act on your God given sexual urges and initiate sex with your wife,” Skippy writes. “Even if your wife is not in the mood, but she yields to your advance anyway, you ought to take it.”

But I will say this, despite American laws to the contrary, Biblically speaking, there is no such thing as “marital rape”. In the Scriptures, the only way rape occurs is if a man forces himself on a woman who is not his property (not his wife, or concubine). A man’s wives, his concubines (slave wives taken as captives of war or bought) could be made to have sex with him, no questions asked.

But, as Skippy notes in a later post, a husband has no responsibility at all to “put her in the mood” by doing various things she expects or likes. If a wife refuses sex too often, then “You need to call out your wife’s sin for exactly what it is – sexual immorality.”
If a wife denies sex to her husband, according to Skippy, he should first berate her privately. If this does not work, he should ask his pastor and his wife for help in shaming her into submission.

In fact, this is the point that you begin punishing her: Refuse to take her out to eat or to do anything with her. Stop fixing things around the house unless it’s a needed major repair. Don’t cook for her or help around the house or any other “things that really she should be doing for herself, but you have simply been trying to be nice and doing for her.”

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/06/02/there-is-no-such-thing-as-marital-rape-according-to-this-christian-web-site/

“But the short answer is no he is not being selfish for having sex with his wife simply because she is not in the mood. The Bible is clear that for the purposes of sex “The wife hath not power of her own body, but the husband: and likewise also the husband hath not power of his own body, but the wife.” – I Corinthians 7:4.”

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/0...d-not-your-husband-marital-rape-doesnt-exist/

 

[gitana1]

On the bright side, at least Josh didn't turn out to be a pedophile!

I don't think he is a pedophile, necessarily, which I define as a person who is pretty much only sexually attracted to children. But he is a child molester and predator and I think he remains a danger to children.
And at this point, to all women as well.

 

[Donjeta]

According to Skippy, a “Christian” wife has no right to tell her husband “no,”

The way I see it, pretty much all marital sex initiated by the husband would be rape then I think... For sex to be not-rape, it has to be consensual, and for sex to be consensual, there needs to be the right to say yes or no.

 

[lonetraveler]

I kind of think that he was trying to cast his forays into Ashley madison as part of a " addiction", and not a real effort to find a real woman to have sex with.

Imo that is exactly what he is doing, ie., is involved in the seduction of the viewer in order to make them want more and paying more and moving them right along into the affairs (guaranteed). He is claiming that he became addicted to the site. I feel sure that this isn't the only site he was "addicted" to.JMO

 

[Donjeta]

According to the RU quote he can even excuse and explain away the child molestation as not his fault if he just says that he started watching before he developed the compulsion to act out a role.

It's all because of the evil lesbian pornographer agenda that his marriage is undermined.

I wonder if he will start a ministry to tell people that. (and for $$$$$)

 

[sorrell skye]

http://reformersrecovery.com/how-to-overcome-🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬-addiction-2

So they teach you that once you started viewing you become helpless and you can't stop. You have to rape people.

#4 The Acting Out of the Role – Psychologists and sociologists have found that these steps invariably occur: first, addiction; then escalation; next desensitization; and, finally, the acting out of the role. After viewing the pornographic material and gradually becoming more and more debased, the individual suddenly finds himself desirous of acting out the role he’s been viewing or reading about. At this point he might try to get his wife or girl friend to act out the female role in such situations – whatever they may be. If he doesn’t have a wife or girlfriend, rape or force is resorted to with strange women – or even children. The compulsion does inevitably develop, however, to act out the role.

If a man is fantasizing about raping women or children, run-of-the-mill is not the cause. IMO, the violent fantasies were already there to be begin with.

In addition, I don't think violent sexual deviants are content to view run-of-the-mill Playboy-style . I think violent sexual deviants seek out violent pornographic imagery in order to feed their already twisted fantasies.

I don't believe that anyone with a healthy attitude regarding sex will be hopelessly compelled to rape women and children after looking at Playboy magazines, nor do I believe that anyone with a healthy attitude regarding sex will seek out violent pornographic material.

If the above-linked therapy is the type of counseling that JD is receiving, he's getting no better therapy than when he was sent to build houses as a teen.

The misguided philosophy of "The Acting Out of the Role" is more of the abusive blame-the-wife-for-not-making-her-husband-happy or blame-the-anonymous female-for-causing-god's chosen-to-stumble jargon that's been promoted by this cult.

It's no wonder that JD has entered into this so-called 'treatment facility'. He's apparently being taught that his actions are not his fault - a message that's he been taught his entire life.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

How can Josh blame when he started on his sisters?

 

[human]

How can Josh blame when he started on his sisters?

Because they enticed him

 

[Donjeta]

Plus haven't they ever been out there in the real world and seen how many guys watch occasionally or regularly? They didn't all become compulsive child-molesting predators looking to act out movie scenes and with irresistible urges to rape strangers if they find themselves between girlfriends.

Whoever wrote that has a scary mind IMO.

I predict Josh will not come out of the rehab as any better person but he will have more verbiage with which to bamboozle his wife and possibly some other fundies into thinking that he's a changed man, again.