Identified! AR - Whitehall Motel in El Dorado, WhtFem, 81UFAR, 18-21, Jul'91 - #1 - Kelly from VA

[christine2448]

I am bending over for my beating....I was working on this, and it is in a pile of like, 200 files.....and it got shifted to the bottom....God forgive me


kk....(I swear I posted this!!!!!) If I did (I searched and found 3 posts by me here, maybe there is another thread for one or the other on WS?? Going to look, will be back to finish post, I may just need to copy and paste )

K, Believe09 posted back in beginning of thread as did I that LE said Kelly and UID were ruled out. I talked to Mr Tom Jensen, the det. that worked the Green River Killer case, he said she was ruled out, IIRC, was done by circumstance and lots of LE work. Not by DNA, or Dentals, IIRC. He seemed convinced, and I have much respect for him.

Based on what WE know, I am not convinced it's not her... BUT, who am I. I talked to him for 40 minutes and he knows his stuff. He is trying to ID all the victims of the Green River Killings.

I am sorry I didn't post this earlier....take it for what it's worth..?

I know I have notes from our convo, but I just rearranged my house and some files have been shuffled, my filed named 'KELLI MCGINNESS/UIFAR 7/10/91AK is missing the paperwork from Kelli....that is what lead me to believe I may have 2 cases on this. (still can't a separate thread on WS posted for Kelli anywhere on WS.) I am sorry.

 

[MadeaBecBec]

I am bending over for my beating....I was working on this, and it is in a pile of like, 200 files.....and it got shifted to the bottom....God forgive me


kk....(I swear I posted this!!!!!) If I did (I searched and found 3 posts by me here, maybe there is another thread for one or the other on WS?? Going to look, will be back to finish post, I may just need to copy and paste )

K, Believe09 posted back in beginning of thread as did I that LE said Kelly and UID were ruled out. I talked to Mr Tom Jensen, the det. that worked the Green River Killer case, he said she was ruled out, IIRC, was done by circumstance and lots of LE work. Not by DNA, or Dentals, IIRC. He seemed convinced, and I have much respect for him.

Based on what WE know, I am not convinced it's not her... BUT, who am I. I talked to him for 40 minutes and he knows his stuff. He is trying to ID all the victims of the Green River Killings.

I am sorry I didn't post this earlier....take it for what it's worth..?

I know I have notes from our convo, but I just rearranged my house and some files have been shuffled, my filed named 'KELLI MCGINNESS/UIFAR 7/10/91AK is missing the paperwork from Kelli....that is what lead me to believe I may have 2 cases on this. (still can't a separate thread on WS posted for Kelli anywhere on WS.) I am sorry.

Girl, don't be so hard on yourself & betta not nobody even think about taking advantage of your bent-over position, they'll have to come through ol' MadeaBecBec first...LOL! I think Kelli's case maybe in Cold Cases, I'll help you look for the thread....

:waitasec:Go back to this http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/81ufar.html Edwards has added more photos to the Doe site.... Ummm, I think the new pics put a whole new look on this Jane, WOW, big change!

 

[christine2448]

If you think someone is a possible match, post up stats and pics so we can all view

Tips before submitting

 

[JaneInOz]

I am bending over for my beating....I was working on this, and it is in a pile of like, 200 files.....and it got shifted to the bottom....God forgive me


kk....(I swear I posted this!!!!!) If I did (I searched and found 3 posts by me here, maybe there is another thread for one or the other on WS?? Going to look, will be back to finish post, I may just need to copy and paste )

K, Believe09 posted back in beginning of thread as did I that LE said Kelly and UID were ruled out. I talked to Mr Tom Jensen, the det. that worked the Green River Killer case, he said she was ruled out, IIRC, was done by circumstance and lots of LE work. Not by DNA, or Dentals, IIRC. He seemed convinced, and I have much respect for him.

Based on what WE know, I am not convinced it's not her... BUT, who am I. I talked to him for 40 minutes and he knows his stuff. He is trying to ID all the victims of the Green River Killings.

I am sorry I didn't post this earlier....take it for what it's worth..?

I know I have notes from our convo, but I just rearranged my house and some files have been shuffled, my filed named 'KELLI MCGINNESS/UIFAR 7/10/91AK is missing the paperwork from Kelli....that is what lead me to believe I may have 2 cases on this. (still can't a separate thread on WS posted for Kelli anywhere on WS.) I am sorry.

I agree that Kelly looks and sounds so much like the right person but now she has been ruled out by DNA and fingerprints by Chris Edwards according to the other poster.

 

[MadeaBecBec]

Here's some links for you all
https://identifyus.org/photo.php?i=1982&m

https://identifyus.org/photo.php?i=1983&m

These are the pics when JD was arrested in Dallas, TX in 1986 & gave the false name of Cheryl Ann Wick
(front view) https://identifyus.org/photo.php?i=1985&m
(side view) https://identifyus.org/photo.php?i=1986&m

Now, the Cheryl Ann Wick & phone number was a Lady in Minnesota, so maybe we should be looking for some teen runaway from Minnesota, possible that she had to of known this person to come up with that name to give to LE. Bizarre & Sad, to say the least!

PS. For some reason I am unable to post pics on here!! Mmmmm...

Jeremiah 29:11-14

 

[Fairy1]

believe09, thank you for checking it out further. Guess we'll have to take their word for it! I feel better about that now knowing that they're thankful to have people looking.

This UID situation is so odd. They have so many pics of her, various names, a good deal of her history and her killer in prison! This is waaaay more info than we usually have on a UID, but still, here we are! I am curious about the Stroud family. It sounds as if LE was able to locate this family and believe this girl may have lived with them for a time, why were they unable to ID her?

I'm going back to the Charley Project and will check the states we know she travelled through.......

 

[Fairy1]

Here's some links for you all
https://identifyus.org/photo.php?i=1982&m

https://identifyus.org/photo.php?i=1983&m

These are the pics when JD was arrested in Dallas, TX in 1986 & gave the false name of Cheryl Ann Wick
(front view) https://identifyus.org/photo.php?i=1985&m
(side view) https://identifyus.org/photo.php?i=1986&m

Now, the Cheryl Ann Wick & phone number was a Lady in Minnesota, so maybe we should be looking for some teen runaway from Minnesota, possible that she had to of known this person to come up with that name to give to LE. Bizarre & Sad, to say the least!

PS. For some reason I am unable to post pics on here!! Mmmmm...

Jeremiah 29:11-14

Thanks MBB. She sure looks a lot different - and younger - in her mug shots. Probably closer to how she would have looked as a young runaway. Her height should be helpful, but you never know. Guess I'll add Minnesota to my list of states to check out!

 

[Fairy1]

Sorry for the back-to-back-to-back posts - but no one else is here now!

I've been through TX, FL, LA, AR and MN missing and found not one plausible match. Not sure which way to go now, but I would sure like to contact the Stroud family...Or at least inquire with LE if they have done so and find out the outcome????

This girl looks pretty tough to me and I really wonder - if she was a runaway - if anyone ever reported her missing. In her "made up" pics, she looks way older than 18-21 to me. That and the fact that she seems to have a LOT of history leads me to believe she may have been older. Still, I haven't found anyone who looks like her - and especially with her height.

 

[JaneInOz]

Here's some links for you all
https://identifyus.org/photo.php?i=1982&m

https://identifyus.org/photo.php?i=1983&m

These are the pics when JD was arrested in Dallas, TX in 1986 & gave the false name of Cheryl Ann Wick
(front view) https://identifyus.org/photo.php?i=1985&m
(side view) https://identifyus.org/photo.php?i=1986&m

Now, the Cheryl Ann Wick & phone number was a Lady in Minnesota, so maybe we should be looking for some teen runaway from Minnesota, possible that she had to of known this person to come up with that name to give to LE. Bizarre & Sad, to say the least!

PS. For some reason I am unable to post pics on here!! Mmmmm...

Jeremiah 29:11-14

Thanks for the Post Morten Photos I had not seen them before. She certainly looks so different less all the hair and makeup and we can now see she is very very freckly - looks to be all over too.

Fairy thanks for looking through all the states. I will have a look tommorow on some of the missing sites

 

[MadeaBecBec]

Sorry for the back-to-back-to-back posts - but no one else is here now!

I've been through TX, FL, LA, AR and MN missing and found not one plausible match. Not sure which way to go now, but I would sure like to contact the Stroud family...Or at least inquire with LE if they have done so and find out the outcome????

This girl looks pretty tough to me and I really wonder - if she was a runaway - if anyone ever reported her missing. In her "made up" pics, she looks way older than 18-21 to me. That and the fact that she seems to have a LOT of history leads me to believe she may have been older. Still, I haven't found anyone who looks like her - and especially with her height.

I totaly agree with you, I will contact Mr. Edwards to see if he can enlighten us on the Stroud family, it would be help immensely if we knew the dates that
she stayed with this black family & when she left their home. From what I have gathered is that they took her in for a time, that's where the bible came from, so it's possible they were trying to shelter her & turn her life around.... If she was fairly young (her arrest pics in Dallas attest to that) when she ran away or came up missing, then her height & weight are gonna be a huge guess on everyone's part, so I've just been looking at facial similarities.... Here's one that could possibly be her http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/v/vaughn_emma.html
Someone else in an old thread had suggested this (JD) too, in the Emma Lorene Vaughn thread, lifestyle fits & runaway from Florida????
I will let ya'll know, if anything, what I am able to find!



Jeremiah 29:11-14

 

[OC Lady]

Has everyone totally rejected Rebecca Dunn?

The Doe Network:
Case File 1374DFNV

Dunn, circa 1979

Rebecca Jean Dunn
Missing since April 1979 from Las Vegas, Clark County, Nevada.
Classification: Endangered Missing



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Vital Statistics

Date Of Birth: March 21, 1958
Age at Time of Disappearance: 21 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'8"; 150 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Blonde hair; green eyes.
Marks, Scars: Bump on bridge of nose.
Dentals: Not available
DNA: Available


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Circumstances of Disappearance
Dunn was last seen in April, 1979 in Las Vegas, NV. The police knows she went missing in April 1979, but are not sure of the exact date. Foul play is suspected.

 

[MadeaBecBec]

I just finished speaking with Chris Edwards from the AR Crime Lab, he stated that the mug shots were from Jane Doe's arrest in Dallas, on January 26,1991, she was also arrested in May 1991 in El Dorado, so that's the timeline for her from Dallas, TX to Arkansas, where she was murdered. I have a call in to Detective Phillips (Eldorado PD) to see if she can give me a bit of info on the interview with the Stroud family in Texas.
Oh & Mr. Edwards says that he doesn't mind you all presenting possible matches, he prefers that they have dentals, but now that JD's DNA has been entered into CODIS, it will be much easier to match up, especially if the missing person has DNA entered...... I'll be back!!!!



Jeremiah 29:11-14

 

[MadeaBecBec]

Has everyone totally rejected Rebecca Dunn?

The Doe Network:
Case File 1374DFNV

Dunn, circa 1979

Rebecca Jean Dunn
Missing since April 1979 from Las Vegas, Clark County, Nevada.
Classification: Endangered Missing



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Vital Statistics

Date Of Birth: March 21, 1958
Age at Time of Disappearance: 21 years old
Height and Weight at Time of Disappearance: 5'8"; 150 lbs.
Distinguishing Characteristics: White female. Blonde hair; green eyes.
Marks, Scars: Bump on bridge of nose.
Dentals: Not available
DNA: Available


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Circumstances of Disappearance
Dunn was last seen in April, 1979 in Las Vegas, NV. The police knows she went missing in April 1979, but are not sure of the exact date. Foul play is suspected.

Whoa! I was just getting my notes together on this lady, Rebecca Jean Dunn, to have ya'll take a look! I'm fairly certain that this is closest match, I have been searching for more pics of Ms. Dunn, haven't found any others! The thing that stood out for me is the "bump" on Ms. Dunn's nose & the one on our AR JD, is right on, (especially if you look at the post-mortem pics)....
Here's the two of them......

 

[Kymistry35]

Whoa! I was just getting my notes together on this lady, Rebecca Jean Dunn, to have ya'll take a look! I'm fairly certain that this is closest match, I have been searching for more pics of Ms. Dunn, haven't found any others! The thing that stood out for me is the "bump" on Ms. Dunn's nose & the one on our AR JD, is right on, (especially if you look at the post-mortem pics)....
Here's the two of them......

Although Rebecca doesn't resemble Jane Doe that much in that picture, there is a striking resemblance to the post mortem pics.

 

[Fairy1]

Definitely see some similarities but there are a couple things that are nagging at me. Rebecca was 21 went she went missing in '79. That would make her 33 in '91. I do feel that our JD may have been older than the 18-21 range, but not that much older! Rebecca is said to have green eyes and JD's were blue. The height is a bit off and although I generally don't put too much stock in that, 5' 11" is pretty unusual for a woman. JMO

 

[OC Lady]

Agree with what Fairy said...but...green/blue eyes...sometimes eyes can "change" color according to light...

The age thing bothered me too, but I wonder how much stock to put it age estimates for the Jane Doe...

Do you think we should submit???

 

[skywatchn]

I too had considered Rebecca Dunn and Kelly McGinnis as possible matches for this unidentified.

Both PM's resemble one another if you look at them closely...hmmm looks like a different makeup technique on the eyes and the IUD uses different makeup techniques also.

They say that Kelly McGinnes may be a victim of the green river murderer? She was also ruled out as the UID by way of dentals.

I have not seen a rule out for Rebecca Jean Dunn, but there may be one. I say she is a good possibility

 

[Fairy1]

Agree with what Fairy said...but...green/blue eyes...sometimes eyes can "change" color according to light...

The age thing bothered me too, but I wonder how much stock to put it age estimates for the Jane Doe...

Do you think we should submit???

I'm ok with it if ya'll are!

 

[MadeaBecBec]

Definitely see some similarities but there are a couple things that are nagging at me. Rebecca was 21 went she went missing in '79. That would make her 33 in '91. I do feel that our JD may have been older than the 18-21 range, but not that much older! Rebecca is said to have green eyes and JD's were blue. The height is a bit off and although I generally don't put too much stock in that, 5' 11" is pretty unusual for a woman. JMO

The age problem, well, I believe she was alot older than the estimate, originally what the coroner stated was her DOB from her arrest records, but then, that was the date she was giving them. She sure looks about 28 to 32, IMO. Course, that could be the lifestyle that she led!
OC; If you would like to submit this, please do, if not, I don't mind to do it, I have Mr. Edwards info and JD's file already on my e-mail....
I hope Detective Phillips calls me back tomorrow mornin', if not I'll call her again before noon, just so we can find out the timeline on JD in Texas, she interviewed the Stroud's and made a report on it.....
I'll be back!



Jeremiah 29:11-14

 

[OC Lady]

Madea -

since you have the contact, perhaps best if you submit? I am so new at this...and am already working on another case trying to learn.

thank you!!