Are the protesters trespassing???

[Katie526]

I have only seen the video of the 65 year old woman, not Larry, but Patricia was not on the Anthony's property when GA shoved her into the street. Once GA had done this, LA then went and tried to tear her poster board out of her hand.

What GA did is battery, MOO.

I guess we'll see.

 

[Salome]

What people are protesting is the freedom of a woman whose child went missing on her watch but who never reported it to the police until someone else did, and who when questioned about it provided no specific, truthful information or co-operation that would help locate the child she 'lost.' That is outrageous and, in itself, should be a crime. They are prostesting that and the reality that her family ignores justice for their grandchild while profiting from her situation and protecting a woman who very likely is responsible for the demise of her own daughter. No parent should be free under the conditions which exist in this case. There should be no bail allowed. The law should be changed and protestes could work on that now that the search for Caylee has been called off, but protesters are protesting a gross miscarriage of justice. Such a protest should be peaceful and on public property. It should not disturb the peace. It should be mostly very quiet to respect the neighbors. There should be no yelling at all during hours that neighbors are sleeping.

It is not a miscarriage of justice, because the justice system is working as it is currently written and interpreted in this situation. If you're interested in changing the laws (or the protestors are), then it would be productive to work with people in the legislative branch, our representatives, and with people in the justice system who could suggest modifications.

I'm sure there are people who beat their children to within an inch of their lives and get out on bail - are these protestors diligently seeking them out for their next big protest? Are they advocates of the cause of children or are they simply very angry people fed up with the A's, especially Casey? I would have more respect for the former; the latter seem to me to be more like the mob mentality that our justice system is supposed to help us avoid (vengeance attacks, for example).

I understand being fed up -- I'm sick and tired of the A's when they speak to the cameras, and I don't think they are what is right by their granddaughter -- but I also think there are more productive ways to go about expressing this or dealing with this anger than standing on the very edge of the A's property screaming; I think there are better places to protest or try to get action so that this situation doesn't happen again (if one really believes it's unjust generally); and frankly, I think there are better ways to be a citizen in a democracy. Peaceable protest and assembly are allowed, but just because it's allowed doesn't always mean it's the best choice in the situation. This seems to be feeding the morbid spectacle and not the cause for justice.

We are all impatient for this case to move forward, but the justice system is moving at its own pace -- standing outside screaming at the A's and provoking confrontations will not make it move one iota faster, nor will watching it on the webcam almost hoping that something violent happens so that the grandparents of Caylee can get in trouble. That does not seem a productive way of dealing with frustration with them to me. It won't help Caylee's case, and she should be our main focus.

 

[LiveLoveLaughLiza]

I guess we'll see.

I was not stating that George will be charged with battery, I was saying that, my opinion only, that what George did was battery as I see it.

 

[raeann]

Victim Larry Donovan, 34, told a deputy that he was standing near the Anthony home when "Mr. Anthony lunged at him, grabbed both of his arms, and pushed him back 3 to 4 feet toward the roadway," according to the report. Donovan was not injured but told the deputy he was "shaken" by the incident.

Another victim, Patricia Young, 65, told a deputy that Anthony grabbed her arm and pushed her into the street. She was "upset" after the incident


Then don't put yourself in the situation. I don't feel sorry for these 2 people at all.

I just watched the video for the first time. These people were definitely trespassing AND behaving in a threatening manner toward the family. I don't know about Florida law, but in MANY states, that allows the use of force to protect yourself and your property.

 

[Katie526]

I just watched the video for the first time. These people were definitely trespassing AND behaving in a threatening manner toward the family. I don't know about Florida law, but in MANY states, that allows the use of force to protect yourself and your property.

I am not familiar with the laws, but thank you. My point here is that this isn't about the physical trespassing. It's about teasing, instigating, etc. This family is tense right now to begin with. Do you think they are going to go outside and listen to these lunatics who have nothing better to do that sit there all day and get angry. I don't know, I just don't think it's productive.

 

[yolorado]

We don't know the answers yet. I will be the first to say I was wrong, but I will go on FACT and FACT only. There is so much speculations and contradiction in this case. The news releases information and many people believe it.

If everything they found and concluded to already thus far, according to the threads on this site and media outlets, than with alllllll that, why isn't she charged?

LE wants to find the body, because it's better for the case and because they are decent people and want to see Caylee respected with a proper memorial. They'll keep looking for a while and if they don't find the body after some period of time, they'll try to leverage a deal for lesser charges if Caylee's mom leads them to the body. There's no rush. If that doesn't work, they'll take her to trial with what they've come up with by then. There's no statute of limitations on murder. They'll wait until they feel they've got the best case they can have before going forward. But, as far as I'm concerned, what this woman has already done, not reporting her child missing, not co-operating to find her by lying to the police and leading them on a wild goose chase should also be a chargeable crime for which there is no bail. This case represents a gross miscarriage of justice, for Caylee and against the public interest. We should all be writing to our lawmakers to put a new law in place that would deny bail for anyone who is charged what Caylee's mom has already done, no matter what else she is or will be charged with or convicted of later.

 

[Katie526]

WESH 2's Tim Trudell reported that the demonstrators were pointing to how the volunteers searching for Caylee were out sweating, while Casey Anthony remains inside her own home.

Should put their money where their mouth's are.

 

[Katie526]

LE wants to find the body, because it's better for the case and because they are decent people and want to see Caylee respected with a proper memorial. They'll keep looking for a while and if they don't find the body after some period of time, they'll try to leverage a deal for lesser charges if Caylee's mom leads them to the body. There's no rush. If that doesn't work, they'll take her to trial with what they've come up with by then. There's no statute of limitations on murder. They'll wait until they feel they've got the best case they can have before going forward. But, as far as I'm concerned, what this woman has already done, not reporting her child missing, not co-operating to find her by lying to the police and leading them on a wild goose chase should also be a chargeable crime for which there is no bail. This case represents a gross miscarriage of justice, for Caylee and against the public interest. We should all be writing to our lawmakers to put a new law in place that would deny bail for anyone who is charged what Caylee's mom has already done, no matter what else she is or will be charged with or convicted of later.

I'll say it again, we don't know the real facts behind this case so until we do, we shouldn't judge anyone.

 

[raeann]

I am not familiar with the laws, but thank you. My point here is that this isn't about the physical trespassing. It's about teasing, instigating, etc. This family is tense right now to begin with. Do you think they are going to go outside and listen to these lunatics who have nothing better to do that sit there all day and get angry. I don't know, I just don't think it's productive.

I agree totally....IMO anyone who has the time (OR inclination) to do this is not a productive person to society in the first place...They are only there to get attention and cause disruption. Their behavior proves they care nothing about this child, only about venting their own abusive and angry personalities.

 

[SuziQ]

I just watched the video for the first time. These people were definitely trespassing AND behaving in a threatening manner toward the family. I don't know about Florida law, but in MANY states, that allows the use of force to protect yourself and your property.

The protesters were not on the Anthony's property. Please go to the very first post in this thread and view the pic of the property line.

 

[Katie526]

I agree totally....IMO anyone who has the time (OR inclination) to do this is not a productive person to society in the first place...They are only there to get attention and cause disruption. Their behavior proves they care nothing about this child, only about venting their own abusive and angry personalities.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

 

[raeann]

The protesters were not on the Anthony's property. Please go to the very first post in this thread and view the pic of the property line.

Having worked with real estate for many years, I can assure you that the driveway, clear to the street, is considered to be the homeowner's private property. This is not even relevant in the case of these protesters, though, because they approached the family and behaved in a threatening manner. This allows one the right to self defense no matter WHOSE property they are on at the time. These people were not hit or shoved, they were moved back to the street in what looked to me to be a very controlled motion.

 

[yolorado]

I'll say it again, we don't know the real facts behind this case so until we do, we shouldn't judge anyone.

But we do know the fact that this woman 'lost' her child and will not co-operate to find her. We do know that she did not leave her where she said she left her. We do know that the child is still gone and that there is a really good chance that the woman she 'left' her daughter with doesn't exist and that she made her up, just like she made up so many other things. We can read in the police interrogation where she admitted that close to everything she'd told the police the day they took her looking for her baby was a lie. And we know she's out of jail. That's unjust. Her baby's missing under conditions that make it looked like she murdered her baby and she's free! No bail should be allowed in these cases. We had one similar to Caylee's situation here and I am composing a letter to my lawmaker. These 'parents' who misplace their children then lie to the police should not be free. Doing that should be a chargeable crime for which bail is not allowed.

As to 'judging.' It's a common refrain in American today. It's almost s if people can lie, steal, rape, kill but the worst sin you can commit, according to some, is to 'judge.' That's absurd. Of course, we can and should judge. Are we God? Will we be able to condemn people to heaven or hell with our judgement? No? We'll leave that type of judgement to the Almighty. Are we the trial court? Are we the jury? Not at this point, at least, but can ordinary citizens look at this woman and what she's done and make a judgement that something stinks to high heave, you betcha. There is nothing wrong with that. Can we look at this family, at the disrespect they've shown people trying to help them and make a personal judgement that something is wrong here? In a word that Caylee's mom might use, and has used to punctuate her lies, ABSOLUTELY!

 

[LiveLoveLaughLiza]

I agree totally....IMO anyone who has the time (OR inclination) to do this is not a productive person to society in the first place...They are only there to get attention and cause disruption. Their behavior proves they care nothing about this child, only about venting their own abusive and angry personalities.

Oh, I do think these protesters care about this child. I think they are confused as the rest of us. Instead of putting their energy where you think it would better be served, they are using their constitutional right to question a family that has used the media as their sounding board.

Since the majority of us do not have the media at our beck and call, the people went to the original source, the Anthony's. Cindy angered alot of people with her media release and her ugly words toward TM and TES. A man who has never done anything except show his love of their granddaughter. Thye don't have to agree with where he is searching or even that he thinks she is no longer alive, but maybe a little compassion towards the man, whose own daughter was murdered.

I have not commented on if I think the protesters are right or wrong, but I am commenting to the fact that I think they do have this constitutional right, just as the Anthony's had to right to bail out their daughter.....fully knowing of the public's anger towards her. Wasn't it during a protest when she was arrested the second time?

The A's are well aware of what the protesters are feeling and should of been prepared for this when they had her bailed out a second time. Picking right then and there to hammer stakes into city property was bad timing on the A's.

All of the above is MOO.

 

[icherish]

They should be writing to their state representatives petitioning for a change in the law, but in the meantime the can protest peacefully in front of the Anthony's, this awful family who seems to be using the law to protect the rights of their daughter while ignoring justice for their own grandchild. I can't think of a better place to protest...PEACEFULLY, on public property, with respect for the neigbors.

I agree they should be writing.

But meanwhile they are not protesting peacefully in front of the Anthony's. What they are doing doesn't even qualify as a true protest most of the time. It's like watching Jerry Springer. It's an attack, a name calling, accusatory screaming match, a melee. It's as disgusting as anything else in this case.

Poor innocent Caylee, all but forgotten while EVERYONE, including these so-called protesters plays in front of the cameras. It makes me nauseous.

 

[SuziQ]

Having worked with real estate for many years, I can assure you that the driveway, clear to the street, is considered to be the homeowner's private property. This is not even relevant in the case of these protesters, though, because they approached the family and behaved in a threatening manner. This allows one the right to self defense no matter WHOSE property they are on at the time. These people were not hit or shoved, they were moved back to the street in what looked to me to be a very controlled motion.

I don't own my driveway out to the street. The property line on my plat map is pretty dang clear. It stops at the sidewalk. I have the right to use that area, but I do not own it.

 

[SuziQ]

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[LiveLoveLaughLiza]

Having worked with real estate for many years, I can assure you that the driveway, clear to the street, is considered to be the homeowner's private property. This is not even relevant in the case of these protesters, though, because they approached the family and behaved in a threatening manner. This allows one the right to self defense no matter WHOSE property they are on at the time. These people were not hit or shoved, they were moved back to the street in what looked to me to be a very controlled motion.

Where I live the driveway is not owned by the property owner to the street. In fact the city just went throught the neighborhood repairing any driveways that were cracked, etc. from the curb up 4 feet.

 

[icherish]

It is not a miscarriage of justice, because the justice system is working as it is currently written and interpreted in this situation. If you're interested in changing the laws (or the protestors are), then it would be productive to work with people in the legislative branch, our representatives, and with people in the justice system who could suggest modifications.

I'm sure there are people who beat their children to within an inch of their lives and get out on bail - are these protestors diligently seeking them out for their next big protest? Are they advocates of the cause of children or are they simply very angry people fed up with the A's, especially Casey? I would have more respect for the former; the latter seem to me to be more like the mob mentality that our justice system is supposed to help us avoid (vengeance attacks, for example).

I understand being fed up -- I'm sick and tired of the A's when they speak to the cameras, and I don't think they are what is right by their granddaughter -- but I also think there are more productive ways to go about expressing this or dealing with this anger than standing on the very edge of the A's property screaming; I think there are better places to protest or try to get action so that this situation doesn't happen again (if one really believes it's unjust generally); and frankly, I think there are better ways to be a citizen in a democracy. Peaceable protest and assembly are allowed, but just because it's allowed doesn't always mean it's the best choice in the situation. This seems to be feeding the morbid spectacle and not the cause for justice.

We are all impatient for this case to move forward, but the justice system is moving at its own pace -- standing outside screaming at the A's and provoking confrontations will not make it move one iota faster, nor will watching it on the webcam almost hoping that something violent happens so that the grandparents of Caylee can get in trouble. That does not seem a productive way of dealing with frustration with them to me. It won't help Caylee's case, and she should be our main focus.

The voice of reason! Thank you for expressing it so eloquently.

 

[yolorado]

I agree they should be writing.

But meanwhile they are not protesting peacefully in front of the Anthony's. What they are doing doesn't even qualify as a true protest most of the time. It's like watching Jerry Springer. It's an attack, a name calling, accusatory screaming match, a melee. It's as disgusting as anything else in this case.

Poor innocent Caylee, all but forgotten while EVERYONE, including these so-called protesters plays in front of the cameras. It makes me nauseous.

Personally, I think the protest in front of the Anthony's is pretty useless, except it gives an outlett to people who are angry and frustrated and feel as if our justice system doesn't work for Caylee or them. Maybe that's a good reason to protest. To me, this is political. These people are protesting what they see to be a failure of government, like a lot people who protested at the Republican and Democratic conventions. They're protesting at the location where they feel the action is on the matter they're concerned with. I do ABSOLUTELY think the protest should be peaceful. I'm sure Orlando has laws against disturbing the peace and tresspassing ordinances and those should be strictly enforced. If the protesters violate them, they should go down.