Are the Ramseys involved or not?

[BBB167893]

andreww,
BBM: If you propose a RDI theory then the RN can represent staged forensic evidence, intended to point away from the R's and explain why JonBenet was moved from her bed down to the basement.

Similary in an IDI theory the RN can represent real forensic evidence implicating an intruder. Absence of a RN would have left the R's having to explain why JonBenet was found wrapped in a blanket inside the wine-cellar, with no obvious signs of entrance or exit for an intruder!

Make that TWO people who have it right!

 

[Anti-K]

BBM. The sad part, Anti-K, is that I don't think you're serious.

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I am serious.

How, or why, would I not be? Where else would one reasonably start a What If There Had Been No Ransom Note counterfactual?
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AK

 

[BBB167893]

<modsnip>

Where else would one reasonably start a What If There Had Been No Ransom Note counterfactual?

Good question. <modsnip> I might make a suggestion:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?122616-Insane-Questions-for-SuperDave

 

[beach]

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[andreww]

I’ll answer it a fourth time:
Without the ransom note the Ramseys could have done anything that they wanted. Faked an accident and called an ambulance – no police. No unnecessarily created self-incriminating evidence; no absurdities, no nonsense, no contradictions.

You wrote that I won’t answer the question because I “know the note was an integral part of the staging.” You have now shown to be wrong. I have answered the question (several times), so can we now stop with the offensive accusations and get on with real discussion?
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AK

Doesn't answer the question. They didn't seek help for her because if she was revived she would be able to identify the person that cracked her head open.

<modsnip> I said the note was staging to cover up for the murder. You said it didn't make sense. I asked you to give a scenario of how it would have played out without the note. In your scenario Jonbenet is alive again. THE NOTE WAS WRITTEN AFTER SHE WAS DEAD. <modsnip>

 

[Anti-K]

<modsnip>



Good question. <modsnip> I might make a suggestion:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?122616-Insane-Questions-for-SuperDave

I don&#8217;t know what it is that you want me to see on the thread that you&#8217;ve directed me to.
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AK

 

[Anti-K]

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Oops. This might be in reference to me. I didn&#8217;t realize that my post had been removed, I posted it last night and when I didn&#8217;t see it this morning I just thought it hadn&#8217;t posted, so I re-posted. Apologies. No offence intended.
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AK

 

[Anti-K]

Doesn't answer the question. They didn't seek help for her because if she was revived she would be able to identify the person that cracked her head open.

<modsnip> I said the note was staging to cover up for the murder. You said it didn't make sense. I asked you to give a scenario of how it would have played out without the note. In your scenario Jonbenet is alive again. THE NOTE WAS WRITTEN AFTER SHE WAS DEAD. <modsnip>

I will admit to some confusion. In the counterfactual that you proposed there is no ransom note, but you seem to be dismissing my answer on the grounds that you think the note was written after she was dead. But, in your counterfactual there is no note.
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AK

 

[BBB167893]

I don&#8217;t know what it is that you want me to see on the thread that you&#8217;ve directed me to.
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AK

Well, you weren't supposed to see anything. You asked where a good place to discuss a counterfactual scenario was, so I directed you to the "anything goes" thread. Shall we have at it there?

 

[Anti-K]

Well, you weren't supposed to see anything. You asked where a good place to discuss a counterfactual scenario was, so I directed you to the "anything goes" thread. Shall we have at it there?

I&#8217;m arguing that the &#8220;What if there had been no ransom note&#8221; counterfactual should start with the head blow. The question I asked wasn&#8217;t &#8220;where&#8217;s a good place to discuss a counterfactual scenario?&#8221; The question was, &#8220;where else would we start?&#8221; It was rhetorical.
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AK

 

[BBB167893]

I’m arguing that the “What if there had been no ransom note” counterfactual should start with the head blow. The question I asked wasn’t “where’s a good place to discuss a counterfactual scenario?” The question was, “where else would we start?” It was rhetorical.
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AK

Why not just drop the subject, then?

 

[Anti-K]

Why not just drop the subject, then?

Considering that I haven&#8217;t posted on the subject in a few days, I&#8217;d say that I was way ahead of you.
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AK

 

[josephhamliton]

Have any of you ever wondered that maybe it was a friend of JonBenet's or Burke's who killed JonBenet? And maybe Patsy thought Burke did it and wrote the ransom note to save him.

It doesn't sound very likely but i would like to see if anyone has found any info on it. I've never really seen this ever talked about or explored. Maybe it's just not feasible.

 

[andreww]

Have any of you ever wondered that maybe it was a friend of JonBenet's or Burke's who killed JonBenet? And maybe Patsy thought Burke did it and wrote the ransom note to save him.

It doesn't sound very likely but i would like to see if anyone has found any info on it. I've never really seen this ever talked about or explored. Maybe it's just not feasible.

I think it's been theorized many times that the Stein's son might have been involved. The theory is that the last house the Rs visited that night was the Stein's and that they may have asked the boy to come with them on the Michigan trip. Don't think there is any hard evidence to support this but it would explain why the Steins, no more than friendly acquaintances at that point, took the Ramseys in as house guests for several months, then followed them to Atlanta with Mr Stein working at Johns company.


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[Tawny]

I don't believe the R's would have stayed so quiet and uncooperative if another child had been remotely involved. I suspect they would have put it all on that other child to completely clear BR. JMO

 

[andreww]

I don't believe the R's would have stayed so quiet and uncooperative if another child had been remotely involved. I suspect they would have put it all on that other child to completely clear BR. JMO

Lets say Burke was the major player with some involvement from the Stein kid. I'm not sure that they would risk calling the cops and letting them sort it out.

 

[CorallaroC]

One thing that has stood out in my mind for years, is how JR and PR often called the killer an "it". On the surface, I can certainly understand their feelings of choosing the lowest possible identifier word. At other times they called "it" a "creature", again I find that understandable. However, IF the R's actually knew the killer and didn't want to believe that person was capable of such a heinous murder, perhaps their word choices of "it" or "creature" could have meant some type of non-physical entity (such as in demonic possession). Interestingly, the word possession was included in the ransom note, and was misspelled as "posession".

 

[BBB167893]

Considering that I haven&#8217;t posted on the subject in a few days, I&#8217;d say that I was way ahead of you.
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AK

I'll take that as a "yes."

 

[midwest mama]

One thing that has stood out in my mind for years, is how JR and PR often called the killer an "it". On the surface, I can certainly understand their feelings of choosing the lowest possible identifier word. At other times they called "it" a "creature", again I find that understandable. However, IF the R's actually knew the killer and didn't want to believe that person was capable of such a heinous murder, perhaps their word choices of "it" or "creature" could have meant some type of non-physical entity (such as in demonic possession). Interestingly, the word possession was included in the ransom note, and was misspelled as "posession".

That misspelling. Posession = 'pose' and 'session'? One of the killer's "clever little clues"? Connected somehow to the line of questions about JB doing something "cutesy" in photographs found of her? MOO

 

[carolbell]

I think Burke has had a terrible life. People didn't want their kids going to school with him in Atlanta. Even in Boulder, I bet he had it rough, we all know how cruel kids are. He saw a blonde little girl at an amusement park and got all shook up about riding with her. In all of the pictures, after the murder, he was alone, no one comforting him. The morning of the murder, he was probably terrified, with police down stairs, no one was with him again. I kind of feel sorry for the guy.