Are they innocent?

[txsvicki]

I don't understand about the marks on JonBenet's body being from the rings. What is the theory of how that much pressure was applied and how it happened? thanks,

I'm not sure the Ramsey's did it either, but have no facts to prove it. I do agree they could have and lots of facts point to them, but know that there are some perverts out there that could get into someone's house and do something like this.

 

[sissi]

I don't understand about the marks on JonBenet's body being from the rings. What is the theory of how that much pressure was applied and how it happened? thanks,

I'm not sure the Ramsey's did it either, but have no facts to prove it. I do agree they could have and lots of facts point to them, but know that there are some perverts out there that could get into someone's house and do something like this.

I wonder about this,as well,in the theory would the ring have to be twisted to the inside of the hand?
IMO

 

[txsvicki]

Yes, I remember someone pointing out that Patsy's rings were twisted around like that in some photo. I was just wondering if the theory would be that Patsy was carrying JonBenet after death and made the marks or how they got there?

 

[WolfmarsGirl]

Yes, I remember someone pointing out that Patsy's rings were twisted around like that in some photo. I was just wondering if the theory would be that Patsy was carrying JonBenet after death and made the marks or how they got there?

Well, you asked for it...My theory again:


...I sat on the floor with my child in my lap, with her
legs both hanging over my left leg. She was kind of
sitting up, laying her weight on her left hip, facing
me. I held her head in my right hand and the fingers
on my right hand ended up on her right cheek and/or or
on her neck. So, I gave her a kiss on the nose, lol...

My left arm was over her right side and my left hand
ended up, quite naturally, on the lower, left side of
her back.

This is typically how I hold her when I 'rock' my
great-big baby girl, or when I carry her quickly in a
rain-storm (when walking would be too slow), or any
other time I have to move her in a hurry and I want to
get a good grip on her and hold her close at the same
time.

Try it with your own child. Make sure his or her face
is close to your face (and don't forget the kiss on
the nose.) This hug kind of looks like holding a
guitar.

Now, back to Patsy's rings (or not). Now, if PR
accidentally killed (or thought she killed) JB, there
would have been a lot of squeezing and rocking with
mother and child in this exact position. If PR was
wearing two or more rings on each hand AND she held,
and squeezed JB in this manner, (a little too hard out
of grief and overwhelming anguish) would those rings
leave marks similar to the "stun gun" marks? I think
so.

The positioning of where a grown-up's fingers would
land on a child of JB's size match up perfectly to
where the marks were found on her body. AND, the
distance between the marks (within each set of marks)
is just about the distance between two adult fingers.

Of course, the rings would most likely have been on
backward. That is the only problem I have with this
theory. However, as I am typing, two of my rings are
reversed and they swing around constantly.

I even thought about trying this trick with four
smiley-faced-stamper rings. But, since I don't want my
poor little girl to be too severely emotionally
scarred by my obsessive sleuthing, lol, I didn't
conduct this further experiment.


I did conduct an additional 'experiment.' I am
posting a link to marks I made on the smooth part of
my right hand. I squeezed my right hand with my left
hand. I had two, round-cut rings on my left hand.
Both rings are mounted with four-prongs.

Please see the link below:

http://www.geocities.com/wolfchick942003/photopage.html

With very little effort, I was able to reproduce the
exact markings I see on the autopsy photos of Jonbenet
Ramsey.

In addition, the marks fell approximately 3.5
centimeters apart.

As I outlined in my forum post, the angle of the marks
on Jonbenet (from the autopsy photos) line up in an
identical pattern and angle to where an adult's
fingers would rest if that adult was holding a child
as I described. It is crucial to note that this is a
very common position for a parent (typically a mom) to
hold and/or rock their small child.

The positions are the same. The markings made by me
are nearly identical to the marks on Jonbenet's body.

One more piece of evidence had occurred to me: Patsy
Ramsey wore, at one point, a large ring on the 2nd
finger of her right hand. This larger ring would fall into the position of the large mark on Jonbenet's cheek, if Patsy did, in fact, hold and squeeze the child prior to death.


Once again:
*The positions of the marks can be explained, within a
fraction of an inch.
*The distance between two marks of either pair of
marks can be explained.
*The angle of the marks (extremely important!) can be
explained.
*The 'weapon' or cause of the marks can be explained.
* If Patsy's rings made the marks, then evidence, or
at least witnesses can testify to their existence.
*Both the occurrence of the marks and the location of
the marks can be easily re-created in any court room.
* This theory explains why 'stun gun' marks are NOT
equidistant (as they would be expected to be) on the
body of Jonbenet.

New info:

I was looking over the autopsy photos of JBR at ACandyRose and I noticed a close-up of her face and the mark on her face.

Inside of the large mark, I could see a definite, clear pattern. So, I pulled up the picture of Patsy's ring and I saw a pattern ON the ring that matched, in my opinion, exactly to the pattern in abrasion.

The Patsy photo is not very clear, so I tried to blow it up for a better look. The enlargement only distorts the photo. However, I can tell the ring is a cluster ring with the stones forming somewhat of an 'x' pattern (just like the pattern in the abrasion).

I found a similar ring on another website and I took out the colors and made a negative image of the ring.

When I put the adjusted photo of JBR's abrasion and the adjusted photo of the cluster ring (not Patsy's but close), the patterns matched!

So, in the link you will see my 'hand' experiment, plus the ring, JBR's face mark and the patterns I see in both.

My idea is this: If we can find the ring Patsy had on her right hand on the night of the murder and we have a clear photo of the abrasion on JBR's cheek in evidence somewhere (I hope), then LE can match the ring to the abrasion.

If the patterns line up (and I think they will), then the ring print is just about as good as a fingerprint, IMO.

http://www.geocities.com/wolfchick942003/photopage.html

 

[TLynn]

I sooooo want to see the pictures from the White's dinner. In those, we could possibly see if Patsy was wearing her rings. I'd also like to know how JonBenet's hair was done. If it was in the two ponytails.

 

[Nehemiah]

I sooooo want to see the pictures from the White's dinner. In those, we could possibly see if Patsy was wearing her rings. I'd also like to know how JonBenet's hair was done. If it was in the two ponytails.

What do you think would be the reasoning for those pictures never being released? I think they must hold some good evidence, but what?

IMO

 

[Britt]

I'd also like to know how JonBenet's hair was done. If it was in the two ponytails.

That's one of the things I wonder about, too. Maybe her hairstyle was different at the Whites' dinner. If so, it would explain law enforcement's focus on Patsy as the perp. Not only would it prove JB was awake upon coming home, unless we were to believe Patsy fixed JB's hair without waking her up (right), it would also implicate Patsy, specifically, in the crime because it's obviously more believable that Patsy would arrange JB's hair, rather than John or Burke or (lol) an intruder.

And remember the hair ties strewn about JB's room? (Isn't there a photo somewhere?) Evidence of a mom-daughter scuffle?