Area Body Found in "Too Strange" Was it Searched?Part # 2

[Searchfortruth]

If Casey didn't place Caylee's remains off of Suburban, like the defense is trying to say now, how did the canvas bag, the two trash bags, the duct tape, that all match consistently with the same items from the A home, get to the scene ? The defense can try every trick in the book and even make up some new ones, they will never be able to explain all of the circumstantial evidence that points to their client and no other.

 

[countzero]

If Casey didn't place Caylee's remains off of Suburban, like the defense is trying to say now, how did the canvas bag, the two trash bags, the duct tape, that all match consistently with the same items from the A home, get to the scene ? The defense can try every trick in the book and even make up some new ones, they will never be able to explain all of the circumstantial evidence that points to their client and no other.

Totally agree with ya. Not all is circumstantial evidence either. LE has all of AL's pings and testimony. They have also stated in summary narratives his movements and testimony are consistent. He was NOT involved in Caylee's murder or dumping her body in the woods.

As for AL's phone and texts after 7.15.08, there are numerous documents containing his calls and messages to KC as well as AH scattered throughout these documents.

Like so many other posters have said, KC is charged with murder. Not simply disposing a murdered Caylee by dumping her in the woods.

Deflection again is the theme for JB & crew. As much as they want to convince the public of their "interpretation" of the forensic science being junk science, it won't work.

When the testimony gets to Dr G, she will be Caylee's voice. Any and all attempts made by LKB to discredit or challenge her will fall upon deaf ears in the jury as well as the media.

 

[spiderlady]

And also Didn't AL take a like detector test while the A family REFUSED?

 

[butwhatif?]

Re: the photos released by MN 'proving' the area was still underwater in November... Where's the water in these pics? I'm just not seeing it.

And since the PI's video shows no water in the same month, how is this beneficial to equasearch? Isnt the only significant point that it WAS underwater when it was searched months before?

 

[countzero]

My :twocents: about this entire questioning of TES and whether or not Caylee's body was dumped before or after KC went to jail is all a rouse in deflection perpetuated by JB and ALyons.

JB wants people to concentrate on the after the fact rather than KC murdering Caylee. He is one slick pup. But in training pups ya gotta use a chain collar and jerk them around to learn how to sit and not to jump. Gently of course.

 

[RR0004]

I don't think TES said it was too wet in November, I think they said it was too wet in the late summer, shortly after Faye.
As I recall, in November, TES was ready to return to Orlando and to go in, but CA did not want their help, or argued with them....
DC may have gone in November with dry ground, but TES did not even go to Suburban in November-So for JB to rely on what DC said about the ground in November would have no bearing on TES, correct?

Here is the link regarding TES:

http://www.wesh.com/news/17415099/detail.html

Yes, yes, yes...

 

[Just Jayla]

This is from News 13. TES did state they didn't go in Nov and turned photos over showing the area was under water. Now, my question is the JW lady that claims she has photos of the area and claims she was a searcher, and DC. Do I believe the JW, well from what I have read about her it makes me doubt her. Now, the tape I saw from Hoover showed the area was dry, so it would all come down to having the pictures analyzed to see if they have not been tampered with, if it's the same area, and what reason did JW, DC, and JH have to make claims of the area being dry. Who sent them there is another question.

Thank you, I was confuuused!

 

[Just Jayla]

This may belong in a "Did KC have help" thread, which I thought there was, but I could not find one (mods, is there a better thread for this?)

But.....given the direction of the defense from what we gathered in the 08/21/09 hearing, my brain is working (albeit slowly as usual!). I want to get this down in my mind, because as a juror, this could be a hurdle. I don't necessarily think KC would have known if she did have "help."


-The botanist timeline gives a lot of wiggle room, nut not enough wiggle room for the body to have been placed after November 15th.
Page 3810:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/4787465...ne-where-Caylee-was-found-released-5-March-09


-Casey had scratches on the trunk, which would have been hard to do at Suburban, but maybe she could have backed down a dirt path somewhere else with a lot of foliage? Pings southwest of where she lived and the dead period on the 17th? Maybe KC did have the body elsewhere.

-Those closest to her allude to her needing help. AD and CA in particular. But not necessarily help with the murder, maybe just help with the aftermath. I agree with IDonov that the actual murder was done alone.

-I would have to eliminate the family members up until August 14, the last jail conversation-They genuinely seemed to not have a clue where Caylee was up until that point. When did the "secret" letters start going out to LA/CA/GA?

-Was KC really shocked in the jail tapes upon hearing that Caylee was found? Could someone have put her there without KC knowing?

RoyK will testify that he saw that skull in August. He carries more weight than KW's version of not seeing the body there in the same time period, because the body was found where RK said it was. RK may be able to tell the jury how his POV differed from KW's and DC's.

Sorry if this seems all over the board, just want to tie these things in a neat bow (impossible in this case!)

 

[The Eunice Burns]

If Casey didn't place Caylee's remains off of Suburban, like the defense is trying to say now, how did the canvas bag, the two trash bags, the duct tape, that all match consistently with the same items from the A home, get to the scene ? The defense can try every trick in the book and even make up some new ones, they will never be able to explain all of the circumstantial evidence that points to their client and no other.

It's quite the sticky wicket. She really got herself into a corner, didn't she? I rather like it, b/c I don't think a jury is going to buy where JB & Co. is going to try and lead them.

I wanted to add that when Todd M stated before Judge S in Friday's hearing that they have evidence that KC is innocent b/c someone else put that body there........ The defense knows there is a child killer out there? They know who it is? Don't they want to protect the children in the Orlando area and beyond? Why JB, what evidence in "leaving no stone unturned" have you come across that would protect the youngest citizens of the area? That will leave a distinct distaste in the jury's mouth. That whomever the defense offers up as the sacrifice for KC's defense will have been allowed to roam free while JB and his cohorts sat on that info? This will not endear them to a jury. IMO

 

[chaingangal]

Thick undergrowth could have obscured the bag. Rise and fall of water may have shifted it and for sure scavengers drug the bag. If Caylees body was placed in the trunk of the car and moved a couple of times before reaching the actual dump site, would there have been a trail for dogs to follow?

 

[chaingangal]

Thick undergrowth could have obscured the bag. Rise and fall of water may have shifted it and for sure scavengers drug the bag. If Caylees body was placed in the trunk of the car and moved a couple of times before reaching the actual dump site, would there have been a trail for dogs to follow?
Why would the area be too strange, don't most killers stick to familiar hunting grounds?

 

[DotsEyes]

All JB has to ask of the experts is if it is possible that someone else placed the body in the area after KC went to jail on the 17th of July and before her release. I doubt they can say anything other than "yes, it is possible" and maybe add "although not probable".

It is going to happen. And it may create some reasonable doubt in the juror's minds as to how the body got there because we know of 3 people who had as much access to all the stuff from the house as did KC; namely Mom, Dad and Lee.

If it is possible that someone else moved the body, then it isn't too far out of the realm of possibilities that someone else killed Caylee too. That is, if JB can figure out how to remove KC from full custody and control of the Pontiac from June 15-June 25th when she scrapped the dead squirrel from the frame of the car. I wonder how he will approach this one.

 

[niaa]

Wasn't AL in the A's house several times as well ? Can the defense show he had access to her Pontiac ? Hopefully his cell phone pings will show he wasn't in the area on the important dates. Hopefully, motive and lack of motive will be an important aspect for the jurors. KC had a motive, AL did not.

 

[okiedokietoo]

All JB has to ask of the experts is if it is possible that someone else placed the body in the area after KC went to jail on the 17th of July and before her release. I doubt they can say anything other than "yes, it is possible" and maybe add "although not probable".

It is going to happen. And it may create some reasonable doubt in the juror's minds as to how the body got there because we know of 3 people who had as much access to all the stuff from the house as did KC; namely Mom, Dad and Lee.

If it is possible that someone else moved the body, then it isn't too far out of the realm of possibilities that someone else killed Caylee too. That is, if JB can figure out how to remove KC from full custody and control of the Pontiac from June 15-June 25th when she scrapped the dead squirrel from the frame of the car. I wonder how he will approach this one.

see your point...I think this reasonable doubt might keep KC from the DP but not from Conviction

 

[Curious Me]

All JB has to ask of the experts is if it is possible that someone else placed the body in the area after KC went to jail on the 17th of July and before her release. I doubt they can say anything other than "yes, it is possible" and maybe add "although not probable".

It is going to happen. And it may create some reasonable doubt in the juror's minds as to how the body got there because we know of 3 people who had as much access to all the stuff from the house as did KC; namely Mom, Dad and Lee.

If it is possible that someone else moved the body, then it isn't too far out of the realm of possibilities that someone else killed Caylee too. That is, if JB can figure out how to remove KC from full custody and control of the Pontiac from June 15-June 25th when she scrapped the dead squirrel from the frame of the car. I wonder how he will approach this one.

Hmmm...Didn't Casey say her Dad must have hit an animal when he borrowed her car? Then, you're saying, just get the jury thinking someone else, anybody else involved might even mean that person killed Caylee, not Casey? Yes, bet they're going that direction.

But nobody did move the body. Ray Kronk reported the body there in August. There was no nanny either. The jury will be able to follow the most blatant evidence pointing to it being solely done by the girl in the party dress.

 

[magic-cat]

The defense is in desperation mode. They have a guilty as sin client on their hands, and said client lied repeatedly to LE and in sworn statements, and actually took them on a wild goose chase of lies in her attempt to obscure the truth. And what was that truth? She killed her daughter. Her daughters dead body was inside of her trunk for a length of time. She abandoned her car. Her car wreaked of decomposition. She lied for over a month to her parents and everyone else about Caylee's whereabouts. She researched the very episode of One Tree Hill where the nanny kidnaps the kid. She searched chloroform on her computer and lo and behold-she has high levels of chloroform in her trunk. There was a hair from a corpse which was previously Caylee and maggots which nobody has still seen the reports from, and Roy Kronk saw the bag in the same location since August and it was underwater when HE first saw it. JB and co. have no place to go with this client. It is all uphill, and against the wind and they are fighting probably the biggest losing battle of each of their careers...and when they lose? The stain will remain that they defended the child murdering Casey Anthony.

 

[strach304]

I am counting on the testimony of experts and what they have to say as to location and time line. For all we know Caylee was placed somewhere other than where she was found. Close but not exactly right there by the road.

During the Scott Peterson trial there was evidence of his computer searches for the bay and tidal charts, etc. The prosecution then was able to call an expert that was able to determine the exact tidal waves, etc. as to Lacy's location and how she ended up coming in opposed to floating out into the chanel where Scott had hoped.

A bunch of technical factors figured in such as the tides and currents changing because of the time of the year, etc. Excellent testimony. The particulars are somewhat vague to me now but easy to follow at the time.

The prosecution in this case will do the same thing imo.

 

[Just Jayla]

Wasn't AL in the A's house several times as well ? Can the defense show he had access to her Pontiac ? Hopefully his cell phone pings will show he wasn't in the area on the important dates. Hopefully, motive and lack of motive will be an important aspect for the jurors. KC had a motive, AL did not.

Unfortunately, in order to clear TL completely, I think the state is going to have to do to him what they had to do to JG-Investigate every corner of his life and send it over to the defense. Which means TL's private bu'ness will be all over the place like JG's was.
It is awful, yet another person that will be violated because of KC.

 

[Just Jayla]

Hmmm...Didn't Casey say her Dad must have hit an animal when he borrowed her car? Then, you're saying, just get the jury thinking someone else, anybody else involved might even mean that person killed Caylee, not Casey? Yes, bet they're going that direction.

But nobody did move the body. Ray Kronk reported the body there in August. There was no nanny either. The jury will be able to follow the most blatant evidence pointing to it being solely done by the girl in the party dress.

RK will be absolutely key to conquering this defense argument-While KW, Equusearch and DC did not find the body, RK did, and he is the one that was correct in the end.

 

[Just Jayla]

I am counting on the testimony of experts and what they have to say as to location and time line. For all we know Caylee was placed somewhere other than where she was found. Close but not exactly right there by the road.

During the Scott Peterson trial there was evidence of his computer searches for the bay and tidal charts, etc. The prosecution then was able to call an expert that was able to determine the exact tidal waves, etc. as to Lacy's location and how she ended up coming in opposed to floating out into the chanel where Scott had hoped.

A bunch of technical factors figured in such as the tides and currents changing because of the time of the year, etc. Excellent testimony. The particulars are somewhat vague to me now but easy to follow at the time.

The prosecution in this case will do the same thing imo.

I hope the entomologists have a more narrow timeline, because the botanist timeline is too broad at this point.