Arizona girl, 2, left in car by father on 109-degree day and is found dead

[BrownRice]

Newer cars have remote starts so you can leave them running and also locked. MOO

Yes. I can start my car with my fob or an app on my phone. However, in both instances, the car will only stay running for 10 minutes.

 

[iamshadow21]

Yes. I can start my car with my fob or an app on my car. However, in both instances, the car will only stay running for 10 minutes.

Makes sense. Stops you running out of fuel or battery if you activated it by accident, and stops you topping yourself.

MOO

 

[BrownRice]

Makes sense. Stops you running out of fuel or battery if you activated it by accident, and stops you topping yourself.

MOO

Right. And probably carbon monoxide poisoning if it’s in your garage

 

[iamshadow21]

Right. And probably carbon monoxide poisoning if it’s in your garage

Accidental, yes, true. CO poisoning on purpose is what I meant by topping yourself.

 

[asmi106082]

Yes. I can start my car with my fob or an app on my phone. However, in both instances, the car will only stay running for 10 minutes.

It all depends on the brand. I used to have a Viper remote start security system and I could program how long my car would run before shutting off, my fob would beep when it was about to turn off, and I could prevent that by resetting the timer. I can’t remember but I’m almost sure there was also a feature to leave the car running after you’ve been driving, without the keys in it, for instances where you would want to leave a dog or a person in the car while you (the driver) runs into a store, etc. This was an after market system I had installed at a local car stereo shop.
I still would have never left my son in my car running for hours when he was a baby. I just wanted to mention this because I kept seeing people post about how the car could’ve been stolen with the child inside. Most remote start systems have some type of measure in place to prevent that IME.

 

[Ladyotm]

If the wife was aware of him doing this previously, WHY is she so forgiving now? I don't get it. It's a 'mistake' if it happens once. But it's a bad habit if it was an ongoing pattern of child abuse---which is what that is---child abuse to leave a baby in a car on a 109 degree day.

Mom is easily forgiving because she likely left her in the car as well, and is thinking about the burden of taking care of 2 children (whom she rarely saw) all on her own.

I know DFCS/DSS has got to be involved.This calls for immediate removal of the other children! They are in danger being this was a normal thing for both parents to do.

I wonder if this exact same scenario happened to a family from a lower socioeconomic level, if the father would have been released without a bond.

All MOO.

 

[abyquinn]

That was interesting. Mom was so calm and professional. Maybe her medical background. Dad, only while she was speaking, looked like he was having convulsions.

Mom is an anesthesiologist according to one of the posted articles. She knows exactly what to take, in what quantity to get her through the day. Many of the stronger mood drugs can give a flat/emotionless affect. That would be my guess as to how she was able to talk on her husband’s behalf about this tragedy without breaking down. MOO

 

[LadyL]

Mom is easily forgiving because she likely left her in the car as well, and is thinking about the burden of taking care of 2 children (whom she rarely saw) all on her own.

I know DFCS/DSS has got to be involved.This calls for immediate removal of the other children! They are in danger being this was a normal thing for both parents to do.

I wonder if this exact same scenario happened to a family from a lower socioeconomic level, if the father would have been released without a bond.

All MOO.

[bbm]

where is the information in MSM that she rarely saw her children - please provide the link TY

 

[dalsglen]

[bbm]

where is the information in MSM that she rarely saw her children - please provide the link TY

Post #109 mums own words

"He's taken them to school every day, he's been the main caregiver; I work many hours so they're all that he sees"

Post in thread 'Arizona girl, 2, left in car by father on 109-degree day and is found dead' Arizona girl, 2, left in car by father on 109-degree day and is found dead

 

[Chimera]

Her father claimed that he left her in the car in the driveway, with the engine and a/c on, and when he came back about half an hour later, it had somehow turned itself off, and the car had overheated and she had died.

I have a really bad feeling about this one, and that this isn't what really happened. I realize we have to let authorities do their jobs.

2-year-old Arizona girl dies after dad leaves her in car during triple-digit heat: Police

A 2-year-old girl has died after her father left her in a hot car as triple-digit temperatures hit Arizona.

abcnews.go.com

BBM.
Agreed.
And it was apparently longer than 30 minutes/half hour !


Here is an updated article :

Father charged with murder after 2-year-old is left in car during 109-degree heat wave for 3 hours, police say

Christopher Scholtes told police that when he arrived home his daughter was asleep in her car seat so he left her inside with the vehicle running.

www.nbcnews.com

An Arizona man was arrested and charged with murder, accused of leaving his 2-year-old daughter in the car outside the family's home for three hours when temperatures climbed to 109 degrees, authorities said.

Christopher Scholtes, 37, was arrested Friday and booked at the Pima County Adult Detention Center on second-degree murder and child abuse charges, Marana police said in a news release.
Red bolding mine.
Curious about what he was doing in those three hours ?
That is a loooong nap time for a child that age, imo.

Rest in peace, Parker !

Omo.

 

[Chimera]

Yes, and could this father guarantee the little girl wouldn’t wake up while he was in the house, oblivious to what was happening in the car? Imagine her waking up and crying for her daddy to come get her? How could any parent choose to take that chance, and for what? A few minutes to do do… what? I’m sick over this.

Has he done this before?

Bbm.
Hmmm....
Omo.

 

[tlcya]

The judge determined Scholtes does not pose a danger to the community and ordered his release to pretrial services.

Conditions of release include:

No possession of alcohol or illegal drugs
No firearms possession
No unsupervised time with children
A preliminary hearing is scheduled for Aug. 1 at 1:30 p.m.
Father of 2-year-old that died in hot car released with no bond

The judge set a $25,000 secured bond
Wife of Arizona dad charged with murder for leaving toddler in hot car for hours calls tragic death ‘a big mistake’

 

[Chimera]

@tlcya : That third "No" is interesting, imo.
Also add -- if I was his wife-- I wouldn't be calling Parker's death, "...a big mistake...".
With the murder charges ... I expect LE know more than we do !
Omo.

Yes, and could this father guarantee the little girl wouldn’t wake up while he was in the house, oblivious to what was happening in the car ? Imagine her waking up and crying for her daddy to come get her ? How could any parent choose to take that chance, and for what? A few minutes to do do… what ? I’m sick over this.

Has he done this before ?

Three hours is a long time to leave any child in the daytime, unattended.
It would be interesting to know what was on his computers, or if he'd been doing some drinking/drugs/etc. ?
Maybe some tv time, or a nap ?
But still.
Omo.

 

[MsMarple]

@tlcya : That third "No" is interesting, imo.
Also add -- if I was his wife-- I wouldn't be calling Parker's death, "...a big mistake...".
With the murder charges ... I expect LE know more than we do !
Omo.




Three hours is a long time to leave any child in the daytime, unattended.
It would be interesting to know what was on his computers, or if he'd been doing some drinking/drugs/etc. ?
Maybe some tv time, or a nap ?
But still.
Omo.

LE apparently wondered the same thing as the search warrant included a PS5, gaming controllers and a drink sitting on a coffee table among other items.

Father of Marana girl who died in hot car faces murder, child abuse charges

The girl's father was arrested and jailed on suspicion of second-degree murder and child abuse, Marana police say.

tucson.com

 

[formerlyme]

paraphrasing from the mother's statement : I work many hours, so he is all they see

that was the saddest thing to me.

 

[Ladyotm]

@tlcya : That third "No" is interesting, imo.
Also add -- if I was his wife-- I wouldn't be calling Parker's death, "...a big mistake...".
With the murder charges ... I expect LE know more than we do !
Omo.




Three hours is a long time to leave any child in the daytime, unattended.
It would be interesting to know what was on his computers, or if he'd been doing some drinking/drugs/etc. ?
Maybe some tv time, or a nap ?
But still.
Omo.

3 hours is a long time. IMO, this family routinely left this baby in the car for extended amounts of time. Hence leaving her with her tablet to keep her occupied. I wonder if there is any evidence of rashes, indicating her sitting in soiled undergarments for long periods of time. I just can't rationize their thinking this was ever okay.

 

[ChatteringBirds]

IMO it's quite an accusation that they would leave a 2-year-old alone in a running car with just a tablet for company any significant amount of time really, so I'm not believing they did that, until it's confirmed by LE or at a trial, etc. Few educated people would do that with such a young child, IMO. A doctor? Nah. MOO.
I believe she was left alone on this day to take a longer nap, though.

 

[MsMarple]

The vehicle was parked in direct sunlight.
…
According to the court documents, at no time between 12:53 p.m. and 4:08 p.m. is Scholtes seen on the security video going outside to the vehicle to check on the little girl.

'I told you to stop leaving them in the car': AZ dad charged in toddler's hot car death often left children in car, records say

Christopher Scholtes is facing felony charges of domestic violence, second-degree murder and domestic violence-child abuse.

www.12news.com

The two older children told police the dad regularly left the children in the car. They said he got distracted by playing his game and putting food away.

On the way to the hospital that day his wife sent a text saying she told him to stop doing that. He answered “Sorry Babe.”

 

[MsMarple]

The interim complaint also shows Scholtes received text messages from his wife while their daughter was being transported to the hospital stating: “I told you to stop leaving them in the car, How many times have I told you”

He responded, “Babe, I’m sorry!” She then said “We’ve lost her, she was perfect,” and he responded by texting “Babe our family. How could I do this? I killed our baby, this can’t be real.”

Scholtes also told investigators he knew his vehicle had a safety feature that would turn off the engine after 30 minutes. He said he knew from previous experience.

Body cam video shows first responders at scene of Marana hot car death

37-year-old Christopher Scholtes now faces a charge of first degree murder and child abuse, intentionally knowing, circumstances likely to cause death or serious physical injury.

www.kold.com

 

[LadyL]

Post #109 mums own words

"He's taken them to school every day, he's been the main caregiver; I work many hours so they're all that he sees"

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that doesn't equate to her rarely seeing them
she may have seen them every day when she got home from work, just that they spent the majority of each day with their Dad
'rarely' would be something like every few months or even weeks IMO