Armchair Psych discussion of Jodi Arias

[SMK]

Yes but in the report it states that one of them thought he smelled a strange odor before TA's door was opened, but didn't think much about it. Not those exact words, but it was noticed earlier by 1 rm.
I'm kind of shocked that they could even stand it as I've heard it's so horrible, not something one would ever forget.
Still kind of baffles me that got by them.

Yes, the only thing I can think of is that the roommate was beginning to smell it as you say before the door had opened and before the smell had begun to circulate throughout the house via the central AC vents. He might have thought it was garbage or something.......Once the door had opened it began to waft throughout the house and then it was unmistakeable. He had been deceased for 5 days by then and it had to have been considerable.

There was that case where that poor college girl ( Laura Dickinson in 2006 killed by a robber and left to lay for several days undiscovered in her college dorm room) - I recall from the trial that the girl right in the next room kept smelling something bad, and she thought it was the bathroom, and for a couple of days she kept cleaning and spraying and never thought of a dead body until campus security finally discovered the body and told her.

 

[SMK]

Is anybody listening to second shrink at all today. I taped it but have skipped through a lot of it as it' AD NAUSEUM
The only one who would have definitely suffered PTSD would have been TA had he lived.
He may never again have taken another shower or taken one after sex. Look over his shoulder if he ever had another woman in the house. Jumped out of his skin when he saw blonde haired dollies with cowboy hat and chin strap maybe :hills:
Jodi doesn't have anything but jealous woman syndrome who took it to a criminal level. She wasn't the first woman to be used for sex and won't be the last. Uh ya learn, cut your losses and move on
This is getting sickening :juggle: DT forget about it

Yes, in the end this sort of common folk sense of the thing is both simple and comprehensive: She may have simply chosen to act on her worst instincts. Really the simplest argument for conviction and penalty.

 

[shelley921]

Don't know anything about the scam part but imo TA had already outted JA.
While on the stand JA stressed her loyalty to him over and over again. Some of TA's friends have commented that they knew her as a fill-in girl so-to-speak for TA until he found a wife. That wasn't what he told her during the time she fell in love with him. Not only did he keep her on a string but he talked badly about her behind her back. TA called her 'insert vile name' in front of one of his roommates (per her). Don't know if this has been verified by the roommate or not (but could be and should be).

Just like JA didn't call the police neither did TA at least in time for LE to investigate or catch her in the act. But the strongest deterrent for me to believe TA was in any way afraid of her is that he kept letting her back into his home thus his life and his bed! People who are being stalked do not do that - they are terrified of their stalker.

I recall seeing some friend of Travis' on tv saying that at first Travis was quite taken with her and thought she was THE ONE. So then how does it go from that to her being his dirty little secret? This is where I am confused.

 

[Tiger09]

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I've been on these types of forums for many years.

A recurring theme that I have found is either the reader doesn't comprehend the post and responds, the reader does NOT WANT to comprehend what the post is about because the reader has a chip on their shoulder, or the reader is reading really fast and doesn't take the time to read the post.

I'm guilty of it as well and often times when I go back and RE-READ the post I find a whole different meaning to what was posted.

In NO WAY did I reference the idea anywhere in my post that OCD= killing your boyfriend. :banghead: I just simply did not post anything remotely to that idea.

What I wrote was an example of how a personality trait doesn't become a psychiatric diagnosis until it's causing a PROBLEM in the activities of your daily life. This is a pure fact of modern western psychology.

PLEASE take the time to read the post and not be so defensive about your condition. Believe it or not, not everyone is going around disrespecting you.

I knew that. My sarcasm and dry sense of humor doesn't translate well online. I feel like I have to make jokes because its such a serious case and she may very well have some of the same mental illnesses that I do. It's the only thing to do sometimes. As far as education level and age- I just turned 30 and I'm close to finishing my bachelors in psych. I left due to medical reasons. I have a severe case of Crohn's and interstitial cystitis and rheumatoid arthritis and other stuff. I almost died, so I've been dealing with that. But one day if I get it under control I may go back. Fingers crossed.

 

[IBsleuthin]

I knew that. My sarcasm and dry sense of humor doesn't translate well online. I feel like I have to make jokes because its such a serious case and she may very well have some of the same mental illnesses that I do. It's the only thing to do sometimes. As far as education level and age- I just turned 30 and I'm close to finishing my bachelors in psych. I left due to medical reasons. I have a severe case of Crohn's and interstitial cystitis and rheumatoid arthritis and other stuff. I almost died, so I've been dealing with that. But one day if I get it under control I may go back. Fingers crossed.

BELIEVE ME when I say...I WAS NOT the one who asked about education or age. I also have a doctorate degree in Sarcasm and you are correct, often especially over the internet it doesn't translate well.:sweep: <---I posted that just because I've never seen it before and it makes me laugh.

:nurse: I am sorry to read about your medical issues especially at such a young age. May health and happiness be in your near future.

You touch on what in my opinion is exactly what draws people to be so fascinated with crime. When we see someone with similar traits or characteristics to ourselves and they commit terrible crimes or even snap and rob a bank, we ask ourselves..."Could that happen to ME?"

The fear and anxiety over believing that the shared traits could also mean that we could do the same causes us to want to investigate the details of the crime. It causes us to want to know WHAT went wrong so that we can understand it, dismiss it as a possibility and move on.

Keep us posted on how you're doing.

 

[SMK]

I recall seeing some friend of Travis' on tv saying that at first Travis was quite taken with her and thought she was THE ONE. So then how does it go from that to her being his dirty little secret? This is where I am confused.

This had confused me , too. From what I could gather, the relationship seemed to become more and more focused on the "deviant" sexual acts, and less and less on romance and dating.

So she may have begun as a girlfriend who he was smitten with and romancing, but it deteriorated into a phase where she was becoming just a "dirty sideshow", or "extracurricular activity." Of course this was partly her own fault: I believe she had a difficult time relating except in the bedroom and sought to control him with sexual role playing. She misled him into thinking she was just a girl "wild for sex" when she actually wanted him as a husband.

I think this is why he was so very, very shocked and hurt when she sent the email to Lisa and slashed his tires: Why is my sexy, wild, raunchy good-time girl acting this way? What harm have I done her? Bad, bad communication breakdown.

 

[SMK]

I knew that. My sarcasm and dry sense of humor doesn't translate well online. I feel like I have to make jokes because its such a serious case and she may very well have some of the same mental illnesses that I do. It's the only thing to do sometimes. As far as education level and age- I just turned 30 and I'm close to finishing my bachelors in psych. I left due to medical reasons. I have a severe case of Crohn's and interstitial cystitis and rheumatoid arthritis and other stuff. I almost died, so I've been dealing with that. But one day if I get it under control I may go back. Fingers crossed.

I hope you are well and fit soon: I know Crohn's disease is very difficult to deal with. Best of luck to you!

I should not have set lil_buddy off as it does not seem right that everyone now has to give age and education history.

 

[SMK]

BELIEVE ME when I say...I WAS NOT the one who asked about education or age. I also have a doctorate degree in Sarcasm and you are correct, often especially over the internet it doesn't translate well.:sweep: <---I posted that just because I've never seen it before and it makes me laugh.

:nurse: I am sorry to read about your medical issues especially at such a young age. May health and happiness be in your near future.

You touch on what in my opinion is exactly what draws people to be so fascinated with crime. When we see someone with similar traits or characteristics to ourselves and they commit terrible crimes or even snap and rob a bank, we ask ourselves..."Could that happen to ME?"

The fear and anxiety over believing that the shared traits could also mean that we could do the same causes us to want to investigate the details of the crime. It causes us to want to know WHAT went wrong so that we can understand it, dismiss it as a possibility and move on.

Keep us posted on how you're doing.

I love that vacume cleaning emoticon, really cute!

Yes, I too sympathize with those points above and those fears of Tiger's as my son has Asperger Syndrome and I think, "Would people see my son the way they view Jodi?", etc. So I get a bit sensitive , too. :blushing:

 

[shelley921]

This had confused me , too. From what I could gather, the relationship seemed to become more and more focused on the "deviant" sexual acts, and less and less on romance and dating.

So she may have begun as a girlfriend who he was smitten with and romancing, but it deteriorated into a phase where she was becoming just a "dirty sideshow", or "extracurricular activity." Of course this was partly her own fault: I believe she had a difficult time relating except in the bedroom and sought to control him with sexual role playing. She misled him into thinking she was just a girl "wild for sex" when she actually wanted him as a husband.

I think this is why he was so very, very shocked and hurt when she sent the email to Lisa and slashed his tires: Why is my sexy, wild, raunchy good-time girl acting this way? What harm have I done her? Bad, bad communication breakdown.

Thanks-yes that makes sense. Jodi made it seem like TRAVIS was the one pushing for the sex but of course we all know we can't believe anything she says. so yeah, I can well imagine that Jodi had a difficult time relating except in a sexually charged way and yes she sought to control him with sex & sexual role playing. Heh-heh bad communication breakdown is right. The whole thing backfired on her and now look at the tragic results.

 

[Sleuth5]

Thanks-yes that makes sense. Jodi made it seem like TRAVIS was the one pushing for the sex but of course we all know we can't believe anything she says. so yeah, I can well imagine that Jodi had a difficult time relating except in a sexually charged way and yes she sought to control him with sex & sexual role playing. Heh-heh bad communication breakdown is right. The whole thing backfired on her and now look at the tragic results.

You know, in a related vein, I've always felt like there was something entirely wrong about that "phone sex" tape. It felt, if you'll excuse the pun, "phoned-in" by Travis, almost as though he was reading from a script -- there seemed to be nothing in the way of actual sexual tension in the event. I cannot help but imagine the possibility that she actually asked him to say those specific things to her as part of fulfilling her fantasies as she had related them to him.

Others have made similar observations regarding the same possibility with the little girl pigtails, etc. These may indeed have been her requests. I make no claim for that being fact. I simply find it an entirely consistent possibility. She seems quite capable of manipulation at that level -- and oh, how convenient that sort of thing turned out to be when proposing a defense for Travis' death. :cow:

 

[Gecko100]

I really enjoy this armchair stuff, it is riveting to hear other people's perspectives and world views. One of the issues for me in closing off about trying to 'diagnose' her in any way, is that we don't have a complete and corroborative history. She shows signs of everything, and is certainly disturbed, but we will never fully 'know'.
It's hard for me to take one event and see it as a pattern.
When all is said and done, it would be beneficial to examine the influential behaviours of both sides and not necessarily the psyche of the individuals involved, but maybe the climate of that involvement.
We could drone on about psychopathology all day, but the labelling doesn't really further the debate of how it might arise given a set of circumstances. That's the crux for me, because therein lay the clues for prevention and possible treatment. If intervention happens early enough, these people can be treated, but it would need to occur in early childhood which is where the damage takes place.
We know what sort of damage causes it, but in this case we have very little to on.
Early childhood damage is often forgotten, repressed, denied and minimised, it's a survival technique. A false self can be created out of it to make up for poor ego strengths. JA has no idea of who she is.

 

[Gecko100]

I love that vacume cleaning emoticon, really cute!

Yes, I too sympathize with those points above and those fears of Tiger's as my son has Asperger Syndrome and I think, "Would people see my son the way they view Jodi?", etc. So I get a bit sensitive , too. :blushing:

Oh wow, I hope I haven't offended you in any way.
Hope you and your son are happy and healthy!

 

[SMK]

I really enjoy this armchair stuff, it is riveting to hear other people's perspectives and world views. One of the issues for me in closing off about trying to 'diagnose' her in any way, is that we don't have a complete and corroborative history. She shows signs of everything, and is certainly disturbed, but we will never fully 'know'.
It's hard for me to take one event and see it as a pattern.
When all is said and done, it would be beneficial to examine the influential behaviours of both sides and not necessarily the psyche of the individuals involved, but maybe the climate of that involvement.
We could drone on about psychopathology all day, but the labelling doesn't really further the debate of how it might arise given a set of circumstances. That's the crux for me, because therein lay the clues for prevention and possible treatment. If intervention happens early enough, these people can be treated, but it would need to occur in early childhood which is where the damage takes place.
We know what sort of damage causes it, but in this case we have very little to on.
Early childhood damage is often forgotten, repressed, denied and minimised, it's a survival technique. A false self can be created out of it to make up for poor ego strengths. JA has no idea of who she is.

Exactly my thinking!

 

[SMK]

I really enjoy this armchair stuff, it is riveting to hear other people's perspectives and world views. One of the issues for me in closing off about trying to 'diagnose' her in any way, is that we don't have a complete and corroborative history. She shows signs of everything, and is certainly disturbed, but we will never fully 'know'.
It's hard for me to take one event and see it as a pattern.
When all is said and done, it would be beneficial to examine the influential behaviours of both sides and not necessarily the psyche of the individuals involved, but maybe the climate of that involvement.
We could drone on about psychopathology all day, but the labelling doesn't really further the debate of how it might arise given a set of circumstances. That's the crux for me, because therein lay the clues for prevention and possible treatment. If intervention happens early enough, these people can be treated, but it would need to occur in early childhood which is where the damage takes place.
We know what sort of damage causes it, but in this case we have very little to on.
Early childhood damage is often forgotten, repressed, denied and minimised, it's a survival technique. A false self can be created out of it to make up for poor ego strengths. JA has no idea of who she is.

Oh wow, I hope I haven't offended you in any way.
Hope you and your son are happy and healthy!

Oh, thanks - and no, not at all!

 

[aussiegirl]

Fascinating everyone's opinions and thoughts and the reasons behind them.

I personally think she is bat-**** crazy, and could fit into any number of diagnosis's.

 

[human]

Here's an example where the point I addressed is totally ignored or side stepped. Isn't that called gaslighting?

A report, on the news, claims that JA was on the original roster or signup sheet to go with TA to Cancun. They were going for a business workshop, right? If true, that means JA had been replaced after the fact. That may have a lot to do with her actions and her state of mind.

Please don't read into posts that are meant to bring forth information/circumstances regarding the case as being excuses for her actions or in defense of her when they aren't meant to be. Comment not meant for human but for anybody who misrepresents another person's post.

um, I was merely pointing out that the trip to Cancun is not one of the places to visit before you die. I do not understand what the problem is with that???

TA said that he was going to out her on some kind of scam. I think he spelled it "scame".

I am wondering what the scam is.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I really enjoy this armchair stuff, it is riveting to hear other people's perspectives and world views. One of the issues for me in closing off about trying to 'diagnose' her in any way, is that we don't have a complete and corroborative history. She shows signs of everything, and is certainly disturbed, but we will never fully 'know'.
It's hard for me to take one event and see it as a pattern.
When all is said and done, it would be beneficial to examine the influential behaviours of both sides and not necessarily the psyche of the individuals involved, but maybe the climate of that involvement.
We could drone on about psychopathology all day, but the labelling doesn't really further the debate of how it might arise given a set of circumstances. That's the crux for me, because therein lay the clues for prevention and possible treatment. If intervention happens early enough, these people can be treated, but it would need to occur in early childhood which is where the damage takes place.
We know what sort of damage causes it, but in this case we have very little to on.
Early childhood damage is often forgotten, repressed, denied and minimised, it's a survival technique. A false self can be created out of it to make up for poor ego strengths. JA has no idea of who she is.

.....and this is glaringly obvious with JA......as well as her rage issue (murder of TA).....brought about by her fear of abandonment and talk of suicide. For those reasons and a few others, JA seems like a classic BPD with comorbidity/overlap, Cluster B....just moo.

 

[Cate49]

Cruelty is part of the make up of Jodi. She admitted guilt and could have let the courts decide her fate. In fact I think if she had the court might have spared her life. She has allowed crime photos, sex tapes, to be exposed to the world. That is what makes her cruel towards the his family and hers. It is all about Jodi and if she has to step on or over Travis's reputation too bad.

 

[Cate49]

How does everyone thin about Juan and tone he uses on cross? I think the heavy combat method used with psychologist should not been done on the battered women specialist. Think it would not bode well with jury.

 

[SMK]

How does everyone thin about Juan and tone he uses on cross? I think the heavy combat method used with psychologist should not been done on the battered women specialist. Think it would not bode well with jury.

I would agree on that. Too much over the top does him a disservice.