Armchair Psych Profile and JH's Background

[rollinginit]

I for see a circus. I am a nosey person...but I am glad this with be tried without cameras.

 

[rollinginit]

im a member of a "conspiracy site" and the CTs are flying about this sort of stuff....it was discussed very early on in this horrible case.....the only thing i havent read yet is that aliens made him do it. lol

IMO...I think the aliens made him do it.:what: LOL

 

[gitana1]

Dr. Frederick Wertham, who applied the term in criminal psychiatry, explained catathymic behavior as occurring when a person acquires an idea that he believes he must carry through to a violent act. The person develops a plan and feels a "tremendous urge" to put that plan into action, imbuing the violence with symbolic meaning. His thinking acquires a delusional quality, marked by rigidity and poor logical coherence.
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/mass/marc_lepine/7.html

the story of 25 year old student Marc Lépine who committed
mass murder at his school in 1989 seems to have
some eerie similarities, insightful stuff.
different delusion, similar outcome.

Marc Lépine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I'd like to point something out. In the field of psychiatry, every behavior, especially "deviant" or criminal behaviors, has an organic cause. Every behavior. There is no judgment in either psychiatry or psychology. Pedophilia is not judged as wrong or immoral. Those who molest kids are not "bad". They have an "illness", a "condition".

I think the study of the brain is fascinating and valuable. I think research into mental illness into criminality, is highly important. But, it's not always right and there is debate about various things purported by both fields.

For example, psychiatrist Leo Kanner is famous for blaming autism on frigid mothers.

"Homosexuality" used to be in the DSM as a mental illness.

And there are many many people, such as myself, who feel that the brain does not necessarily cause changes in behaviors, but that behaviors cause changes in the brain.

Examples? Scan a teenager's brain before drug or alcohol use. Then scan it again after they become addicted. You will see a difference. But the difference was caused by the behavior.

And there is much research that if a person who is sad simply smiles and smiles often, or laughs even when they don't feel like it, they begin to feel better. Again, the behavior causes the changes in the brain, not the other way around.

I feel pretty strongly about choice and free will and morality/ethics playing a part in criminality, even when mental illness is present.

I have two reasons for that. One, I had a father who constantly pointed out how people would try to avoid accountability by pretending to be crazy or by saying that "the devil made me do it", or whatever, while pointing to millions of other people who went through similar things without resorting to violence. He would also point out that, "Yeah, they always go crazy and kill someone or molest someone. How come they never go up to some huge cop with a ring in his nose? It's always a kid or an old person or a woman or someone who is defenseless. Why don't they try to rape a 6'7" police officer? Because they are not crazy! That's why!"

He also talked all the time about how people who blamed mental illness for their conduct always had the inability to control evil things, but never good things, "Why is it always, 'Yes, I am crazy, I had to kill that child', Why not, 'Yes, I'm crazy, I can't stop planting flowers or feeding the homeless.'"

Two, I suffered from agoraphobia, panic disorder and anxiety disorder for years, off and on, to varying degrees. I have battled most of my life. For years, I felt the monster in my head was outside my control, that I could do nothing about it, that it controlled me. Then, I learned that was a lie. I live a beautiful life now. I go wherever I want, I travel and I am in control of my anxiety. And I never took the serotonin re-uptake inhibitors they wanted to shove down my throat all those years.

Don't get me wrong, I am not anti-medication or anti-psychiatry/psychology and I do believe that many conditions, like schizophrenia, are impossible to control without medication and that other conditions like drug addiction and anxiety disorders, depression, remain a lifelong challenge/battle.

But, I have learned the power of the soul, the power of choice and the power of will, can act as a partner in recovery or management.

Thus, except in cases of extreme psychosis, I cannot accept that a mental illness erases choice.

 

[February]

I for see a circus. I am a nosey person...but I am glad this with be tried without cameras.

I smell brain war :rocker:

 

[February]

That makes it sound like seeing a psychiatrist is a mandatory part of the graduate program. Otherwise, why so many students?

On this link provided by shadowraiths:
http://projectreporter.nih.gov/proj...ram=&ddvalue=&ddsub=&cr=17&csb=default&cs=ASC

Among the 35 graduate students as of the Fall of this year 65% are women, 14% underrepresented minorities or disabled and 9% are students from rural colleges and universities in the Rocky Mountain Region...

88% of the students is 35 students
then 100% = 40 students

and medication and psychotherapy for 15-20 graduate students per week?
maybe handling more departments outside neuroscience? but why do they need medications and psychotherapy?

 

[Roxye]

I'd like to point something out. In the field of psychiatry, every behavior, especially "deviant" or criminal behaviors, has an organic cause. Every behavior. There is no judgment in either psychiatry or psychology. Pedophilia is not judged as wrong or immoral. Those who molest kids are not "bad". They have an "illness", a "condition".

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Thus, except in cases of extreme psychosis, I cannot accept that a mental illness erases choice.

Redacted respectfully by me.

I LOVE how you broke this down! I too believe exactly the same way!

 

[jjenny]

On this link provided by shadowraiths:
http://projectreporter.nih.gov/proj...ram=&ddvalue=&ddsub=&cr=17&csb=default&cs=ASC

Among the 35 graduate students as of the Fall of this year 65% are women, 14% underrepresented minorities or disabled and 9% are students from rural colleges and universities in the Rocky Mountain Region...

88% of the students is 35 students
then 100% = 40 students

and medication and psychotherapy for 15-20 graduate students per week?
maybe handling more departments outside neuroscience? but why do they need medications and psychotherapy?

This is not the only graduate program in the University.

 

[zvzvzv]

i'd like to thank gitana1 for her very articulate & personal post.
it's reassuring that most of us do see there are many facets
to this conversation of how mental disorders can relate to these disasters
and while we're not all on the same page at all times we can be
willing to learn from eachother & approach difficult questions respectfully.

 

[danzn16]

JH claims amnesia.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...laims-amnesia-article-1.1122289#ixzz21kJCyJkn

I find this very interesting as well as the fact that he was seeing a psychiatrist that specialized in schizophrenia. A lot of patients with schizophrenia suffer psychotic breaks in which they have no recollection of what they have done and that is how they end up in a hospital or institution and begin treatment for their mental illness. How crazy would it be if he really did have this disease and really doesn't remember anything that he did? But then again, I don't think a person with this disease can plan something like this months in advance, and then not remember at least what they were planning. Would be extremely interesting to hear from the psychiatrist he was seeing. Or could he be seeing this psychiatrist and researching schizophrenia to have an excuse and to use it in his defense in trial? Or because he was intelligent did he recognize his symptoms and perhaps want to study mental illness more himself and that was the reason he went to the college in the 1st place? I am not trying to give him an excuse, I am not even sure where I stand and not even sure I think he has a mental illness at this point, I am just exploring all options. This news article just got me thinking and I thought I'd share.

Here is a girl who actually has schizophrenia. She had a pschyotic break in which she stole a military truck and was arrested. She didn't know that she did it and that's how she learned that she had schizophrenia and started receiving treatment. That story starts at the 40 second mark if you just want to watch that.
[video=youtube;ZHpKvmTJOhA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHpKvmTJOhA&feature=plcp[/video]

 

[CARIIS]

Ugh, so agree all this evil stuff , sad commentary on America and its understanding of MI ....sad at the end of the day.....................all this stuff is how JH got here in the beginning way before last week ...... slipped through the mental health cracks....................you and I know happens all the time ...none of my folks were evil , they were MI.................

 

[KathrynL]

I had read that he claims amnesia, but I'm afraid I'll have to put that in the "sources" pile of stuff from media outlets-unverified and unreliable. Prior to the gag order we know that he stockpiled weapons, got his swat outfit, etc. To me that says planning. The complex explosives in his apartment...planning. Parking out back, leaving the theater to suit up and grab arms, ammo and tear gas....planning. I'm no professional, but I'm afraid I could never buy that he has amnesia regarding the event. imo

 

[CARIIS]

One week ago since JH decided to blow a bunch of people away. Some people say he had no choice, but I think he did have a choice. He also chose to wear complete protective gear and keep himself safe.

In one week there's been 2-3 copycats caught before they managed to kill. It's very sad if all they see in the aftermath of JH's crime is how they, too, can release their rage and get famous, or get their revenge.

JMO, I think this type of crime is completely different than Andrea Yates. Her symptoms were so obvious and I feel great compassion for anyone who suffers from MI.

Waiting to hear more about the facts of MI leading up to JH's actions.

Hi!
He also chose to wear complete protective gear and keep himself safe.


In his delusionial mind he was the joker is the joker ant a bad ? This is all that is delusionial - he wa the joker and joker does ot mess around


This is all so congruent with his easy surrounder

 

[Curious Me]

It's just one week ago. I sought out the in honor of the victims thread today. Felt just like a knife, the pain of looking at those beaming faces and knowing they are either dead or suffering right now. Not to mention, I keep coming to this forum because even I am damaged by someone's plans, decisions and actions. Please, don't let the victims get lost in the cracks.

 

[orora]

From Heath Ledger- bringing evil, sympathy, and madness together for motive.
http://beginningandend.com/the-dark-knight-rises-shooting-satanic-influence-of-the-joker/

A good read and quite valuable to a possible understanding imo.
Ledger developed an obsession with the joker character too during the filming of dark knight. It was likely that Holmes had a far greater knowledge of dark knight than the rising although I'm sure the name gave him a rise.

Holmes obsession for Heath and joker intertwined? Eliciting of sympathy for Heath / return of Heath all part and parcel of the intended result here? He sought the same sympathy reaction for self by playing into the then upcoming event?
The comics and past batman movie episodes change with Heath's portrayal-
Good background info on the entire comic joker thread. re- Heath-
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=8201129&postcount=26

 

[Curious Me]

Hi!
He also chose to wear complete protective gear and keep himself safe.


In his delusionial mind he was the joker is the joker ant a bad ? This is all that is delusionial - he wa the joker and joker does ot mess around


This is all so congruent with his easy surrounder

I see it more that he had the sharp mental capabilities to make himself into a killing machine that no one would be able to stop.

 

[jjenny]

There is no need to make baseless accusations.
Nobody knows that her career is somehow over. We don't even know what she treated him for.

 

[KathrynL]

There is no need to make baseless accusations.
Nobody knows that her career is somehow over. We don't even know what she treated him for.

ITA. We have zero information, besides her name. Just because she may have dispensed meds to some students, we certainly don't know if he was one of them. Furthermore, he may not have presented as a mass murderer waiting to happen, or even especially different from most students. The only thing over for her, at the moment, is living without being hounded by reporters. imo

 

[orora]

Quote:
Originally Posted by February
Hmmm medications?

Yaiks...If conspiracy theories are allowed here, am sure it will be discussed that these students could be "experiments" on their research ...and let them go when they are done --- Ooopss... sorry cant help it.... next topic!..

Hey you may be onto something! The sirhan sirhan defence. He is seeking to get out of jail early using that same defence.

 

[jjenny]

ITA. We have zero information, besides her name. Just because she may have dispensed meds to some students, we certainly don't know if he was one of them. Furthermore, he may not have presented as a mass murderer waiting to happen, or even especially different from most students. The only thing over for her, at the moment, is living without being hounded by reporters. imo

And even if he did have something like schizophrenia, unless he directly tells her he is going to kill someone, she has to abide by doctor patient confidentiality.

 

[~n/t~]

Dr. Frederick Wertham, who applied the term in criminal psychiatry, explained catathymic behavior as occurring when a person acquires an idea that he believes he must carry through to a violent act. The person develops a plan and feels a "tremendous urge" to put that plan into action, imbuing the violence with symbolic meaning. His thinking acquires a delusional quality, marked by rigidity and poor logical coherence.
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/mass/marc_lepine/7.html

the story of 25 year old student Marc Lépine who committed
mass murder at his school in 1989 seems to have
some eerie similarities, insightful stuff.
different delusion, similar outcome.

Marc Lépine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Marc Lepine hated women. His childhood was not the same as James Holmes as far as we know so far. Dysfunctional family. He hadn't seen his father in years. He was rejected by the military. He committed suicide the same day of the massacre.

As of today, we do not have a motive for James Holmes massacre. IMO, without more information on this case, it's premature to say there are similarities except they both murdered innocent people. I consider ML's case similar to Columbine and Virginia Tech.

:moo: