ARREST!!! Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 -#24

[Trooper]

With respect Trooper could you please explain your view,particularly re timing being out. I recall you saying this before and did not understand why then either.

its only a view, lyndy.

7.30 am . He rings the police. Allison is missing..


She is missing, either from a walk late at night, or early in the morning.

He has to ring the Dickies. Was this before or after the call to the police? I am theorizing before .

But the timing is out as I see it, because that timing was out of his control. He had to do it then. Not before, and not after that time. It had to be done, but the time wasnt suitable, not that any time would be, but it couldnt be left up to anyone else to claim she was missing. It had to be him, because he lives there, and that is the chosen place she is missing from, and he is the prime person who would know if she was missing. And it has to be at a time that he would , in the normal scope of events , notice she was missing. The wandering missing wife is going to be missed very shortly by others.

But 7.30 am is a bit of a bugger, really, as its not enough time to be missing IF she went for a morning walk,. and TOO LONG if she went for a walk in the late night hours previously to midnight.

But there is no choice.

 

[Seeking]

There has been talk on here that GBC doesn't have to be present at the Hearing for bail. A lot could be revealed in a gut reaction sense ( to the Magistrate ?? not sure judge or magistrate)from his reaction, facial expression and body language ,when hearing the evidence against him I would think.At the end of the day one person will decide if bail will be granted or not if I'm correct.If it a touch and go decision I think his presence would be beneficial. I think he should have to be there but that's my humble opinion.Having said that could the person presiding and granting the bail be allowed to be influenced by what I have suggested? They are only human after all and it could be a hard call. If GBC heard the evidence against him he would have to react I am sure.If this post is out of line please tell me. Just thinking about it as I was driving home MOOO

Sometimes prisoners are video-linked to the court room. From my understanding transporting a prisoner to the court (which obviously does happen) does involve a significant number of people in terms of prison guards and the specialized transport that they use and obviously this has an added cost to the proceedings. I don't know what happens with bail hearings, and I have no idea what is planned in this instance. Perhaps there are times when they have to attend in person and other times where it is optional...who knows.

 

[Trooper]

Also.. and its only my view.. He has to make sure that anyone who assisted him is back at their base looking normal. Doing normal things. Everything has to appear unremarkable, yet astonishingly.. Allison is missing.

Every hour has only sixty minutes, even for murder to be done. The sun doesnt stand still for it.

 

[CaseClosed]

Sometimes prisoners are video-linked to the court room. From my understanding transporting a prisoner to the court (which obviously does happen) does involve a significant number of people in terms of prison guards and the specialized transport that they use and obviously this has an added cost to the proceedings. I don't know what happens with bail hearings, and I have no idea what is planned in this instance. Perhaps there are times when they have to attend in person and other times where it is optional...who knows.

In one of the TV news reports the day the application was lodged last week, they said the bail hearing was expected to take 40 mins. I do find it strange that GBC may not appear (although it could be a diversion for the media and public), because I would have thought the Judge would want to look at the accused appearance and demeanour before making a ruling. Some people look more trustworthy than others.

 

[Elspeth]

Could there have been the possiblity that Allison tried to call 000 (just dialled) and not got through... The operators would have been able to still get the number who it belonged to and surely would have looked into it at some stage to see if it would have been a hoax or not.. 000 operators do have direct connection with police don't they ?...

I know this is a way-out theory but could it have been possible that the police would look into any possible 000 call coming from someone like Allison's phone..I presume the operators would be very busy and perhaps only look into calls which didn't get through at the end of their shift to determine whether they were hoax calls or not?

Could the police have either called around or phoned to make certain all was ok only to be told she had not returned from a walk?

 

[marlywings]

I may have misheard, but I thought the computers/phones were sent to ACC in Canberra?

Definitely ACC in Melbourne...found the news video...

Search for the vid titled "Baden-Clay behind bars"...text underneath says...

June 14, 2012: Gerard Baden-Clay is behind bars tonight after facing court, charged with murdering his wife Allison and dumping her body

@ around 1.50

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/video.aspx

 

[Mothergoose]

Sometimes prisoners are video-linked to the court room. From my understanding transporting a prisoner to the court (which obviously does happen) does involve a significant number of people in terms of prison guards and the specialized transport that they use and obviously this has an added cost to the proceedings. I don't know what happens with bail hearings, and I have no idea what is planned in this instance. Perhaps there are times when they have to attend in person and other times where it is optional...who knows.

I have this picture in my mind of him hearing all the alleged evidence and allegedly re-living the event and breaking down. If the alleged evidence leads to a confession sure would save us taxpayers a lot of $$$$$$. Wishful thinking I know.

 

[knowledgethirsty]

its only a view, lyndy.

7.30 am . He rings the police. Allison is missing..


She is missing, either from a walk late at night, or early in the morning.

He has to ring the Dickies. Was this before or after the call to the police? I am theorizing before .

But the timing is out as I see it, because that timing was out of his control. He had to do it then. Not before, and not after that time. It had to be done, but the time wasnt suitable, not that any time would be, but it couldnt be left up to anyone else to claim she was missing. It had to be him, because he lives there, and that is the chosen place she is missing from, and he is the prime person who would know if she was missing. And it has to be at a time that he would , in the normal scope of events , notice she was missing. The wandering missing wife is going to be missed very shortly by others.

But 7.30 am is a bit of a bugger, really, as its not enough time to be missing IF she went for a morning walk,. and TOO LONG if she went for a walk in the late night hours previously to midnight.

But there is no choice.

Great post! Thanks.

GBC could have called around 8:45 ish and said Allison didn't return from morning walk to get girls ready for school. (out of character) Although daylight then there may have been usual people who would see her who would say they didn't.

Instead of saying a late night walk which would be out of character::waitasec:

I guess if you are going to come up with a story IMO you want to come up with one that is most plausible and least incriminating. JMO



I don't know!!

 

[Rational]

If the story is that she is missing.. she has to be missing from somewhere.. there has to be a start time that she is missing at. It cant be vague. That is, at some time, she isnt missing, then at a certain time, she is. She was at one place.. then she isnt, or hasnt returned to that place.

His noticing of her missing cannot go on all day.. or days. without reporting it, really. And it's dicey leaving it up to someone else outside the control of it to be the person reporting her missing to the police. That would be unlikely generally, because they would call HIM first. If Allison didnt turn up, or come to the phone, say, its unlikely that anyone else OTHER than Gerard would be calling the police. So he has to. It wont work if he has to explain to others that she went for a walk, hasnt returned and its now Sunday. Big red flag.

Hey Trooper I think that is where he may have made his first mistake. If the kids were not home, and ABC and GBC were to some degree estranged, and she was due at an all day conference plus expected to drop some things off at her best friend's place, he could have had all day. 'sorry mr Ainsworth, but we no longer slept together, we get up at different times and when I got up at 7.30 I thought she already had left to go to Brisbane for the conference. No, the girls were sleeping over tonight at a friends slumber party but it is now 10 pm and really a bit late. I have spoken to her BF who hasn't seen her, I don't know where she is!!' all IMO
I believe the scenario thatsuggested that the car was meant to be near where Allison was found. Something stuffed this up (maybe GBC being spotted at the roundabout), setting off a panic and GBC, for reasons only known to him,ringing the police at 7.30 am. Unfortunately there does not seem to be any detail of him having gone looking even earlier in the morning or ringing around to friends etc. This seems very strange as many posters have suggested, if your spouse did not come back after going for a walk would you:
A) go to sleep and think all was ok? If she went for a walk after 10 pm.
B) wake up and not hear or see her and get worried and get in the car and drive
Around her usual route, check with locals (out of the window 'good morning have you seen A?)
C) go home again after driving around and seeing no sign, and no one having seen her, ring friends and neighbours ask if they have seen her?
D) do none of the above and ring the police and her parents?
Mmmm...

All IMOO

 

[coolcat]

The credit card thing is a rumour.

Maybe it is possible that Allison had bank accounts frozen or perhaps withdrew money from accounts.....with the intent of leaving him and knowing that he and his family would be ruthless in Property and Divorce proceedings maybe she thought this was her only option?

:waitasec:IMO and Only a thought?

 

[YoureNicked]

Could there have been the possiblity that Allison tried to call 000 (just dialled) and not got through... The operators would have been able to still get the number who it belonged to and surely would have looked into it at some stage to see if it would have been a hoax or not.. 000 operators do have direct connection with police don't they ?...

I recalled (a while back, in my lurker days) when someone on this forum said they were a 000 operator working around the time that Allison was reported missing (can't remember whether that person said they worked either the Thursday night or Friday morning, but as I recall it was one of those two times) but neither he/she nor any of the other 000 operators she spoke to received a call from GBC.

Rumour only, not verified fact.

Perhaps Gerard phoned the police station directly?

 

[Rational]

I recalled (a while back, in my lurker days) when someone who said they were a 000 operator working around the time that Allison was reported missing (can't remember whether that person said they worked either the Thursday night or Friday morning, but as I recall it was one of those two times) but neither he/she nor any of the other 000 operators she spoke to received a call from GBC.

Rumour only, not verified fact.

Perhaps Gerard phoned the police station directly?

That is the only thing I have been able to deduce. He rang them direct IMO. Very strange. What do you say 'I am a grown man of 41 years of age, and my wife has not come back from her walk, what do you think I should do?', 'no I have not gone looking, ah officer I feel so bad, a little bit hurt that she has gone for a walk but I have this feeling that something has happened to her'. (sorry had more but would not be suitable to post!!!!)
All IMO

 

[YoureNicked]

If the C21 office has been relocated again to the above address, I can't see anybody else but the BC seniors being back at work trying to keep it alive. If they provided funds at some stage, they must keep their investment producing an income for their sake too.

Perhaps C21 has decided that the damage to the company's reputation as a result of being attached to the Baden-Clay name is too much and has decided to remove the franchise from them and award it to someone else.

Don't know how these things work though so perhaps someone with knowledge of franchise operations could assist.

 

[CaseClosed]

Definitely ACC in Melbourne...found the news video...

Search for the vid titled "Baden-Clay behind bars"...text underneath says...

June 14, 2012: Gerard Baden-Clay is behind bars tonight after facing court, charged with murdering his wife Allison and dumping her body

@ around 1.50

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/video.aspx

Thanks very much, Marly!

 

[Makara]

Yes he may have bailed out already....lol.

I think you'll find that GBC hired the barrister to represent him in court, whereas his solicitor was engaged to provide advice and handles out of court legal needs.

IMO.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-does-a-barrister-do.htm

A barrister is a type of lawyer or legal counsel. He argues cases in a court of law on behalf of his clients. He also provides advice to solicitors, who are attorneys who meet with individual clients. The main difference between the two is a barrister traditionally works primarily in court and on court-related matters, while a solicitor usually does not argue in court, but meets with clients personally and handles out-of-court legal needs instead.

 

[heloise]

SaphireSteel: Are his parents wealthy? I think not. Both still working - in their 70s. Have lived in the same modest - rather run-down - house since the 70s. Drive an old car. I could be proven wrong, but IMO they are not wealthy.

 

[Elspeth]

I know this is a way-out theory but could it have been possible that the police would look into any possible 000 call coming from someone like Allison's phone..I presume the operators would be very busy and perhaps only look into calls which didn't get through at the end of their shift to determine whether they were hoax calls or not?

Could the police have either called around or phoned to make certain all was ok only to be told she had not returned from a walk?

Of course GBC is innocent until proven guilty but if he definitely is the perpetrator why would he notify the police so early in the morning...he could have made *any* excuse at all to others as to why Allison was not home if he was asked...but if the police had received notification of an attempted 000 call and came to check only to be told Allison had not returned from a walk he would have had to say she was missing...Seems strange to me that if he is definitely the perp that he would have called the Dickies so early unless he had *no choice* eg the police involvement and the reason it was declared a crime scene so early..imo....

 

[Lyndylogic]

its only a view, lyndy.

....it couldnt be left up to anyone else to claim she was missing. It had to be him, because he lives there, and that is the chosen place she is missing from, and he is the prime person who would know if she was missing. And it has to be at a time that he would , in the normal scope of events , notice she was missing. The wandering missing wife is going to be missed very shortly by others.

But 7.30 am is a bit of a bugger, really, as its not enough time to be missing IF she went for a morning walk,. and TOO LONG if she went for a walk in the late night hours previously to midnight....

But there is no choice.

I still do not see the time of 7.30 being necessarily suspicious in terms of guilt or innocence IMO. If somebody's behavior is totally out of character ie. not being where they usually would be it would be natural to be worried and if he has made phone calls to certain people regarding her whereabouts and there was no trace IMO it would be a good reason to call the police. I get your reasoning of why he would not let her disappearance go on and on but do not regard this as being as important as you seem to think. Guilty or not I do not see the timing as being so important. I do understand the idea you have put forward re. place she went missing from, but missing and the last time someone has been seen is not the same. The story was set once those calls to friends and family were made making the police call not out of the picture UNLESS someone else made it.

 

[willough]

Perhaps C21 has decided that the damage to the company's reputation as a result of being attached to the Baden-Clay name is too much and has decided to remove the franchise from them and award it to someone else.

Don't know how these things work though so perhaps someone with knowledge of franchise operations could assist.

It is a very sensitive scenario.....The Franchisor have every reason to shut down the operations and not even return any of the monies (im sure that is part of the contract, usually Franchise Agreement have these clauses in them).

BUT....and it's a big BUT.....If they do this and it pans out that GBC is innocent, then he will have just cause to request it back......and likely request some compensation for them doing this to him.

But it would completely depend on what is in the Agreement

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My knowledge comes from a working as Marketing Manager for the branding (franchisor) of a Restaurant chain that went under approximately 11 years ago....It went under because a guy who was running one of the Sydney Restaurants was quite high profile as a businessman. He was caught up in fraud allegation and the franchisor decided to cut him off from his business as it was damaging the brand. Being a high faluting businessman.....and being able to hire a high profile legal team, he got off....................and sued the franchisor. We lost, all lost our jobs and the business went under. A few years later he got caught again.....this time not so lucky. The entire time he had the franchise, he was also not paying us what he was meant to (5% franchise fee and 3% marketing fee), and never, not once, paid his fees on time.

 

[marlywings]

Hey Trooper I think that is where he may have made his first mistake. If the kids were not home, and ABC and GBC were to some degree estranged, and she was due at an all day conference plus expected to drop some things off at her best friend's place, he could have had all day. 'sorry mr Ainsworth, but we no longer slept together, we get up at different times and when I got up at 7.30 I thought she already had left to go to Brisbane for the conference. No, the girls were sleeping over tonight at a friends slumber party but it is now 10 pm and really a bit late. I have spoken to her BF who hasn't seen her, I don't know where she is!!' all IMO
I believe the scenario thatsuggested that the car was meant to be near where Allison was found. Something stuffed this up (maybe GBC being spotted at the roundabout), setting off a panic and GBC, for reasons only known to him,ringing the police at 7.30 am. Unfortunately there does not seem to be any detail of him having gone looking even earlier in the morning or ringing around to friends etc. This seems very strange as many posters have suggested, if your spouse did not come back after going for a walk would you:
A) go to sleep and think all was ok? If she went for a walk after 10 pm.
B) wake up and not hear or see her and get worried and get in the car and drive
Around her usual route, check with locals (out of the window 'good morning have you seen A?)
C) go home again after driving around and seeing no sign, and no one having seen her, ring friends and neighbours ask if they have seen her?
D) do none of the above and ring the police and her parents?
Mmmm...

All IMOO

This has been the only mention of him calling/texting "several people"....note it's a "Courier Mail understands" & not a statement from police...


The Courier-Mail understands a frantic Mr Baden-Clay rang and sent text messages to several people asking if they'd heard from his wife after she failed to return home on Thursday night. Eventually, he went to bed alone

http://www.news.com.au/national/all...ll/story-e6frfkvr-1226341287303#ixzz1yDkNP9D2

...a frantic GBC, worried out of his lil head, then just takes himself off to beddy byes...lol.