ARREST!!! Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 -#24

[Mothergoose]

The reason why I don't think he has ever or will admit he done it is because of his daughters, what else does he have in his life now and if they find out that daddy did hurt mummy - I don't think they will want anything to do with daddy ever again. IMO IMO IMO IMo

I agree. EVERYTHING is lost if he pleads alleged guilt. I believe even if he is allegedly found guilty he will maintain his innocence in the hope that the girls will believe him I would think.What a tragic situation he has allegedly created. IMO

 

[ozazure]

How do you check up on a call that doesn't get through? A hang up is a call that gets through. I very much doubt emergency services bothers with checking unanswered calls.

I think, if he is guilty of what is alleged, that the whole walking story was a grave error and the timing of the call is just another indicator that this wasn't well thought out. I don't know any of my peers that would go out walking at 10pm alone, and if they did their partners would raise the alarm if they were half an hour late back from a very late night walk. It is an extremely suspicious story. It is improved in Rational's scenario, all you need to do is get the car our of the driveway.

But if you want to continue to play happy families, and are pretty confident she won't be found until the time of death is no longer being counted in hours but days/weeks, all you have to say is she saw you off to work Friday morning. You might get to 9:15 when she's expected at the conference, you might get all day if they don't chase her up. The wait would be torturous. The walking story's only plus is to place her out of the house at the time of her demise, but they ended up treating the house as a crime scene immediately.

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

This is from back on April 26, 2012 (one week after Allison's disappearance)...whether or not he moved back in fairly soon after this I don't know...members on here have mentioned he eventually moved back to the house.

POLICE have pulled down the tape from the front gate of the Baden-Clay family home this afternoon, a week after missing mother-of-three Allison is believed to have disappeared.
The husband of the missing woman, real estate agent Gerard Baden-Clay, was later seen entering the property with family members.

http://www.news.com.au/national/tim...ay/story-e6frfkvr-1226338462814#ixzz1yDtDB4pi

i think it was reported some time around his arrest that he has been living with his parents since Allison disappeared. That he had not returned home. See if I can find a link...

sorry.. can't find the link right now. But I do recall reading it.

 

[Rational]

Yep I understand that. could go either way. Fess up and hope to get leniency or hope like hell your legal team can get you off and so continue to plead innocent. I can certainly see what you are saying.

I somehow have a feeling it will be silence till the end.... No plea, no sweet FA.
All IMO

 

[CaseClosed]

Yep I understand that. could go wither way. Fess up and hope to get leniancy or hope like hell your legal team can get you off and so continue to plead innocent. I can certainly see what you are saying.

I do however think there is a change he may plead guilty to manslaughter at the time of his appearance in Court on July 9. By then, his legal team would have a pretty good idea of what the evidence against him is. That date would basically be his last option to hope for a reduced sentence, if he is in fact guilty. IMO.

 

[Bayside]

I think the 7:30 am call timing might have to do with the kids being dropped off back at home by the people where they were staying (BCs or others) to either get into their school uniforms or pick up their lunches, etc. because they live not far from the school anyhow. This would tie in with the rumour that the kids may have said to QPS "no, we were not home last night" (or similar). All my opinion only.

It is my understanding that Gerard may have given conflicting stories re if the children were home that night.

 

[Martdawg]

Hey all.....still glued to this forum!!! MUST get a life!!
Whilst I am certainly no "fence-sitter" in this case, I did just have a random thought re the eye-witness account of NBC on THAT Thuesday evening/Friday morning....
could it b possible that <modsnip>(somehow) suspected something untoward.
Contacted <modsnip> & begged him to meet him at the bus stop for a "chat".
Junior didn't show, hence pappa's tears and dazed appearance??? IMO

 

[Mothergoose]

Maybe it is possible that Allison had bank accounts frozen or perhaps withdrew money from accounts.....with the intent of leaving him and knowing that he and his family would be ruthless in Property and Divorce proceedings maybe she thought this was her only option?

:waitasec:IMO and Only a thought?

Prior to leaving my ex I took half of our saving from our joint account and opened an account in my name and deposited that amount. I was up front and did nothing wrong. My solicitor said I could have taken the lot. When I told him, my ex ,what I had done ,the rage he displayed was that of a total maniac and my life was threatened. It wasn't the money he was mad about but that I had made a logical decision that enabled me to leave take care of myself. He was totally out of control. You could be right. IMO

 

[YoureNicked]

I think the 7:30 am call timing might have to do with the kids being dropped off back at home by the people where they were staying (BCs or others) to either get into their school uniforms or pick up their lunches, etc. because they live not far from the school anyhow. This would tie in with the rumour that the kids may have said to QPS "no, we were not home last night" (or similar). All my opinion only.

According to the police, Gerard told them he last saw his wife at about 10pm on the Thursday night (see link to media story below) so I'm thinking this would fit with his calling the police early the next morning (7.30am)

Maybe, if the reported sightings of cars that looked like his driving around in the night are found to be truly his he will tell the defence that he was actually out searching for Allison during the wee hours.

It's hard to punch a hole in his reasons for calling police at 7.30am friday, based on the little we know, it seems to me.

http://www.news.com.au/frantic-search-for-mother-of-three/story-e6frep2f-1226335230727

 

[YoureNicked]

How do you check up on a call that doesn't get through? A hang up is a call that gets through. I very much doubt emergency services bothers with checking unanswered calls.

I think, if he is guilty of what is alleged, that the whole walking story was a grave error and the timing of the call is just another indicator that this wasn't well thought out. I don't know any of my peers that would go out walking at 10pm alone, and if they did their partners would raise the alarm if they were half an hour late back from a very late night walk. It is an extremely suspicious story. It is improved in Rational's scenario, all you need to do is get the car our of the driveway.

But if you want to continue to play happy families, and are pretty confident she won't be found until the time of death is no longer being counted in hours but days/weeks, all you have to say is she saw you off to work Friday morning. You might get to 9:15 when she's expected at the conference, you might get all day if they don't chase her up. The wait would be torturous. The walking story's only plus is to place her out of the house at the time of her demise, but they ended up treating the house as a crime scene immediately.

BBM

I agree with you, ozazure. Whilst the phoning the police at 7.30am the next day to report Allison missing fits in logically with a 'late night walk' rather than an early morning walk - the whole idea of anyone walking around that dark place late at night (even if they were angry) is so unlikely. In My Opinion.

IMO

 

[CaseClosed]

BBM

I agree with you, ozazure. Whilst the phoning the police at 7.30am the next day to report Allison missing fits in logically with a 'late night walk' rather than an early morning walk - the whole idea of anyone walking around that dark place late at night (even if they were angry) is so unlikely. In My Opinion.

IMO

I am absolutely convinced she never went for a walk ... and that she was killed inside the home. I am also convinced the girls were not home the night she was killed.

 

[Blue Bottle]

While it is rare for an accused murderer to be granted bail, it can be in special cases provided certain conditions are met.

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...bail-application/story-e6freon6-1226398961608

Just picking up on this news quote. This has nothing directly to do with Allison personally, but nevertheless it's about bail.

I'm in NSW and last night a bloke not that far from where I am ran over another bloke (both known to each other), with what appears to be, going by what was said in the news (and gossip confirms this), deliberate. A crime scene was set at the accident site, forensics called and so on and he cops 'manslaughter and negligent driving causing death', charges. Goes to court this morning and gets bail.

Now don't tell me that someone who aims to run down another person using their car as a weapon wouldn't know that death is very likely.

But what gets me is that if he had come up to the other bloke he knew with a knife or a gun and either knifed or shot him, he'd more than likely be facing murder charges and probabaly not get bail so easy, if at all... yet using his car as a weapon he gets a manslaughter charge and almost immediate bail.

(I do realise that once he goes to court he could possibly get a jail sentence for manslaughter.)

Like, what's difference between manslaughter and murder because going by this, (possibly because it was manslaughter?), it didn't take him much to get bail. What's the difference? What determins a manslaughter charge or a murder charge if the act is deliberate?

 

[Bayside]

I am absolutely convinced she never went for a walk ... and that she was killed inside the home. I am also convinced the girls were not home the night she was killed.

I agree 100 percent : )

 

[CaseClosed]

Just picking up on this news quote. This has nothing directly to do with Allison personally, but nevertheless it's about bail.

I'm in NSW and last night a bloke not that far from where I am ran over another bloke (both known to each other), with what appears to be, going by what was said in the news (and gossip confirms this), deliberate. A crime scene was set at the accident site, forensics called and so on and he cops 'manslaughter and negligent driving causing death', charges. Goes to court this morning and gets bail.

Now don't tell me that someone who aims to run down another person using their car as a weapon wouldn't know that death is very likely.

But what gets me is that if he had come up to the other bloke he knew with a knife or a gun and either knifed or shot him, he'd more than likely be facing murder charges and probabaly not get bail so easy, if at all... yet using his car as a weapon he gets a manslaughter charge and almost immediate bail.

(I do realise that once he goes to court he could possibly get a jail sentence for manslaughter.)

Like, what's difference between manslaughter and murder because going by this, (possibly because it was manslaughter?), it didn't take him much to get bail. What's the difference? What determins a manslaughter charge or a murder charge if the act is deliberate?

I was reading about that today. I was also thinking along the same lines that you are now, but some charges get upgraded later. Perhaps NSW police only had enough at this stage for a manslaughter charge, until they have more evidence that it was deliberate (protecting the girl from the driver) and could upgrade the charge to murder. Just a thought.

 

[The Dark Shadow]

I know this is a way-out theory but could it have been possible that the police would look into any possible 000 call...<snip>..I presume the operators would be very busy and perhaps only look into calls which didn't get through at the end of their shift to determine whether they were hoax calls or not? ...<snip>

I am not 100% sure of QLD protocol, but one of my relatives, in NSW, once dialed 000 as an empty threat to someone who would not leave their property. He dialed the number, but hung up as he held the phone to his ear (just as it connected, so the operator didn't even get a chance to speak, apparently), and then continued to feign the call.

About 10 mintes later, the police did show up, and whilst my relative was quite embarrassed, and explained the feigned call, it actually turned out to be quite handy for him as the police escorted the increasingly aggressive trespasser off the property :thumb:.

So yes, it seems incomplete calls do make it through, and are acted upon immediately.

HTH

 

[marlywings]

I am absolutely convinced she never went for a walk ... and that she was killed inside the home. I am also convinced the girls were not home the night she was killed.

I absolutely agree CaseClosed....I think he may have suggested to some people she went for a walk to throw suspicion away from himself...hence the confusion surrounding it all.

 

[Trooper]

I think , that his ringing the police at 7.30 was an aberration of the plan. Something forced that error.. like in tennis.. the whole thing went to shite at that point.. Not that it wasnt ever going to go that way anyway, but that seems to me to be the moment when the thing collapsed under its own weight of simple stupidity. The body was well hidden. I say this, because it took 11 days to find it.. he was back at home, anyone else involved was back at their base, being normal. But something forced that error and the call was made at that time.

Maybe something to do with Allisons phone, which is well hidden also. very well hidden.

 

[Trooper]

people in the situation of offing their wife cant be expected to cover all the bases, you know. They cant think of everything.. You cant, and I cant.. They are no different. Always a spanner in the spokes, and it sometimes takes a while to figure out exactly when that spanner was jammed into the spokes of the wheel. ..

 

[Keentoknow]

I think , that his ringing the police at 7.30 was an aberration of the plan. Something forced that error.. like in tennis.. the whole thing went to shite at that point.. Not that it wasnt ever going to go that way anyway, but that seems to me to be the moment when the thing collapsed under its own weight of simple stupidity. The body was well hidden. I say this, because it took 11 days to find it.. he was back at home, anyone else involved was back at their base, being normal. But something forced that error and the call was made at that time.

Maybe something to do with Allisons phone, which is well hidden also. very well hidden.

now he has been aced...

 

[Blue Bottle]

I was reading about that today. I was also thinking along the same lines that you are now, but some charges get upgraded later. Perhaps NSW police only had enough at this stage for a manslaughter charge, until they have more evidence that it was deliberate (protecting the girl from the driver) and could upgrade the charge to murder. Just a thought.

You're probably right. Still, there seems to be some inconsistency between charge types, courts and judges as to interpretation.

I still need to catch up with this thread while also doing a few things around the house, but I'm thinking that if per chance, (this is hypothetical because it's all it can be at this stage) Gerard did accidently kill Allison during a domestic and he'd immediately called the police and fessed up, I'm almost sure he wouldn't be in half the mess he is in now.

And possibly sentence would have been lighter as compared to what he would get now (if he has murdered her accidently) and gone through this charade at covering it up. ?