ARREST!!! Australia - Allison Baden-Clay, Brisbane QLD, 19 April 2012 -#24

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Originally Posted by minni would this tie in with earlier rumours last week that he cut her hands off to eliminate skin under nails and dna from that source? sorry I dont know who said it, only that it was here on this forum

Yes, I am sure like most others here that when we hear a rumour mentioned by a different poster that rumour starts to gain weight.

Yes, on some occasions this is what has happened and a few things like that have turned out to be true. But there is also the possibility that it is the same rumour which has just gone around in circles.

However since squizzey posted this about the hands (or was it one hand?) I have been told about it from a contact, about 10 days ago. I posted about it at the time, she is close friends with the wife of a police officer on the case and I was told about the hands being cut off, also that NBC had refused to surrender the contents of a vacuum cleaner dustbag requested by police unless they had a search warrant. (which sounds quite believable).

I'm still not sure about the hands, this may remain a rumour and could turn out to be untrue, however if the murderer panicked and was worried about incriminating DNA under the fingernails well it's feasible.

What makes me not totally drop this one is the comments made by Hawkins early on that this case will turn out to be more disturbing than expected and confronting for jurors. I noticed someone asked Hawkins recently if he could clarify/add to this but not sure if there's been a response as I am so behind and havent been able to read every page.

 

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I and people close to me think that there is a strong chance that Gerard will get bail tomorrow.

The first man mentioned in the procecution story received bail and he was accussed of hiring a hitman to kill his wife

It is so hard to believe.... I guess it really will be "business as usual" then.

IMO the defence will also make him look like an upstanding member of society, member of this group, this other group, etc., well respected businessman and so on.

 

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http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...o-apply-for-bail-tomorrow-20120620-20n4h.html

Baden-Clay set to apply for bail tomorrow


Solicitors acting for accused murderer Gerard Baden-Clay are yet to file paperwork for his bail application to the courts.

Mr Baden-Clay will have his application for bail heard in Brisbane's Supreme Court tomorrow after being taken into custody, on a charge of murdering his wife Allison Baden-Clay, on June 13.

A copy of the bail application and any supporting documents, such as affidavits in support of the person applying for bail, must be given to the prosecutor "two clear days" before the application is heard in court.


Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...il-tomorrow-20120620-20n4h.html#ixzz1yIPEo8bS

We are not dealing with an inexperienced defence team here. His lawyer visited him at the remand centre on Sunday with a whole stack of folders under his arm. IMO they have lodged whatever they needed on time and are ready to try and get him out of prison.

 

[Aussie_expat.sg]

would this tie in with earlier rumours last week that he cut her hands off to eliminate skin under nails and dna from that source? sorry I dont know who said it, only that it was here on this forum

Minni, I certainly suggested that last week when the "hand" rumour surfaced. I hope this hasn't happened, but it's the only thing that makes sense to me, if the rumour turns out to be true. Especially as the head is still intact, and clearly there was no attempt to prevent anyone identifying her.

 

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can anyone say with certainty who is/are the trustees of the girls fund. if it is <Mod Snip> then we need to be careful

Someone indicated it was the Dickies and Allison's sister.

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

Minni, I certainly suggested that last week when the "hand" rumour surfaced. I hope this hasn't happened, but it's the only thing that makes sense to me, if the rumour turns out to be true. Especially as the head is still intact, and clearly there was no attempt to prevent anyone identifying her.

I hope its not true. Though don't think it would matter if the head was in tact or not.. Police could easily identify victim from DNA.. They can do that even from bones such as in Daniel Morcombes case. But yes IF the hands were removed then that is a likely reason to try to prevent identification of offender DNA. However not sure how that would go if the Feet also were removed, but obviously there could be a similar reason. Otherwise It sounds like something a whole lot more sadistic. And regardless, as I have said before IF the alleged Perp did this.. well that just changes ANY leniency that may be had towards a situation where it may have been an escalation of DV or anger burst.. To go to such extremes then after the fact suggests so much more.. MOO

 

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FYI. I have been told by a mother of a child in the same class as one of the girls that they are holding up pretty well and that the elder and middle one do have an idea of what is going on. no word though since the arrest

Someone else reported the girls have not been in school since the arrest.

 

[squizzey1]

Someone else reported the girls have not been in school since the arrest.

yes thats what i was told too.

 

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Wow, sounds like a few who think he might get bail... I just typed a post and 'poof' it went into thin air, so trying again... I really think it depends what the Police have on him and on the case. IF he did committ this crime I don't think the reasoning put forward about having 3 kids to care for should come into it.. No way..sorry. Not IF guilty. Mentally emotionally, by some reports he has been pretty close to the edge.. And really IF you committ a crime of killing your 3 kids mother should you get bail to go back and care for those same kids? Sorry slight rant.. It is Alleged he has done this and that is why I said IF he has done this. Again I do not know what info the Police have and I think whatever they have or don't has to have some sway as to the bail outcome..

The Judge has to be impartial and he/she must keep in mind that at this stage, he is innocent according to the Law.

 

[minni]

Minni, I certainly suggested that last week when the "hand" rumour surfaced. I hope this hasn't happened, but it's the only thing that makes sense to me, if the rumour turns out to be true. Especially as the head is still intact, and clearly there was no attempt to prevent anyone identifying her.

This line of thinking makes me consider the accomplice with the criminal history. I know many on this forum think GBC had the cajones to do something this brutal and sadi stic off his own bat, but too me he seems incapable, even although at times he has looked evil and icy like after his arrest, I know many of you are fond of the sociopath theory, so that wouldn't fit this scenario that I'm putting forth, but It seems to fit my perception of him better MOO

 

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When GBC began to grow a beard I did wonder whether the three children minded.

During the short space of time when their mother was missing and then found dead, their father changed physically and became a prickly, unfamiliar bearded face.

My ex-husband used to have a beard on and off and because it takes a while to become a fully grown beard, our child had no problem with it, she in fact found it funny.

 

[UnfoldingTruth]

The Judge has to be impartial and he/she must keep in mind that at this stage, he is innocent according to the Law.

Yes agreed..However..isn't it so that Prosecution has to table their reasons against bail and that this would/may include some evidence in relation to crime.So they will need to take into account both for and against and make the judgement. Thats why I say it depends what the police have agaisnt him in regards to the case. MOO maybe I am wrong.

(and I really just was having alittle rant in regards to IF guilty, the fact he has 3 kids to look after shouldn't come into it.. just letting it out. I realize a judge has to be impartial. Much as they might not want to be at times!)

 

[J-Diggety]

Not a fun post to write but....

If the Alleged had taken the body (after the event obviously) to the river (not the bridge) to be hidden for eternity. Could they have tried to weigh the body down, hands tied, so it may rest in a deeper part of the river, the old concrete boot theory.

As decomposition set in, the body may have been freed from a weight (damaging the hands, if the hand rumour is true) and with the amount of rain around, drifted, swirled in the eddies, and washed to its ultimate resting place.

Just a thought on how the hands may have been damaged if in fact they were.

Apologies if this is too graphic or upsetting.

 

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Yes agreed..However..isn't it so that Prosecution has to table their reasons against bail and that this would/may include some evidence in relation to crime.So they will need to take into account both for and against and make the judgement. Thats why I say it depends what the police have agaisnt him in regards to the case. MOO maybe I am wrong.

(and I really just was having alittle rant in regards to IF guilty, the fact he has 3 kids to look after shouldn't come into it.. just letting it out. I realize a judge has to be impartial. Much as they might not want to be at times!)

I understand and I'm sure it's a pretty difficult decision for any Judge to make. However, legally he is innocent and if all boiled down to just whatever "untested" evidence the prosecution had, then bail wouldn't exist. Nobody would be out on bail just because they are accused of a crime. At this stage, whatever evidence they present tomorrow has not be cross-examined (if that's the right word). It may be all circumstancial too.

 

[Barram5]

Hi all just went back a few pages and thought this had not been posted
TOMORROWS BAIL HEARING 2.30PM to last roughly 40minutes

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...er-case/story-e6freoof-1226402653220?sv=b7ca6

 

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The prosecutor, IMO, looks tough! I wish we had some sort of confirmation if GBC will be represented by the Barrister he had engaged or has there been an change for some reason?

 

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Not a fun post to write but....

If the Alleged had taken the body (after the event obviously) to the river (not the bridge) to be hidden for eternity. Could they have tried to weigh the body down, hands tied, so it may rest in a deeper part of the river, the old concrete boot theory.

As decomposition set in, the body may have been freed from a weight (damaging the hands, if the hand rumour is true) and with the amount of rain around, drifted, swirled in the eddies, and washed to its ultimate resting place.

Just a thought on how the hands may have been damaged if in fact they were.

Apologies if this is too graphic or upsetting.

If the hand(s) rumour is true, I cannot imagine him allegedly doing that. I just can't. IMO, it would have either been just because of decomposition and animals in the area or IMO it would have to have been done by someone other than the accused.

 

[marlywings]

If the hand(s) rumour is true, I cannot imagine him allegedly doing that. I just can't. IMO, it would have either been just because of decomposition and animals in the area or IMO it would have to have been done by someone other than the accused.

IF he was on some type of drug I could imagine it being a drug-fueled frenzied attack/rage.

 

[Bayside]

I have never heard about the hand thing from people I know, doesnt mean it didnt happen of course. I also never heard about the mysterious person with tatts wearing gardening gloves either.

 

[Mothergoose]

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...o-apply-for-bail-tomorrow-20120620-20n4h.html

Baden-Clay set to apply for bail tomorrow


Solicitors acting for accused murderer Gerard Baden-Clay are yet to file paperwork for his bail application to the courts.

Mr Baden-Clay will have his application for bail heard in Brisbane's Supreme Court tomorrow after being taken into custody, on a charge of murdering his wife Allison Baden-Clay, on June 13.

A copy of the bail application and any supporting documents, such as affidavits in support of the person applying for bail, must be given to the prosecutor "two clear days" before the application is heard in court.


Read more: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/que...il-tomorrow-20120620-20n4h.html#ixzz1yIPEo8bS

So does this mean , that as paper work has not been submitted within the (2 day)time frame required that the hearing may not take place or that he might be denied bail on those grounds.Any legal minds on line ???? Maybe his team think it's futile to spend time applying. It would cost big dollars to present his application I would think. Just a thought.