ARRESTED- Luka Rocco Magnotta:1st deg murder charge #9

[Reannan]

IDK, he appeared to be turning away from the camera on the tarmac. Perhaps he's really uncomfortable about his disheveled appearance. He's got some serious bald patches!

And by the way, I read somewhere that someone who had met or interviewed him said that he didn't blink at all. Well, I worked with a gay guy who was about 35 and looked at least 10 years younger. He said that he decided when he was 12 that he was going to blink, squint, and smile as little as humanly possible to avoid getting wrinkles. It apparently works. Wish I had made the same committment when I was a kid!

Good call Sunday! I also noticed his hair right away. There are probably a LOT of explanations for it, but Syphilis has a characteristic moth-eaten hair loss. Syphilis can also make someone crazy. Al Capone had Syphilis, as did Adolf Hitler. A lot of historical characters had Syphilis, and were horrible people and leaders. Just a thought....

 

[Scientific]

It's feasible that he might be suffering from insomnia at the moment. ...pretty stressful transition, to prison life. That, the long trip, little food, and dissociation to cope with the shock of it, might be enough to leave him looking dazed without any drug use. They also might have given him a sedative in order to make it safer to travel with him.

It's possible that he had been given some sort of meds, but it's also possible that he is just tired. Nearly 9 hours of flight would make me look pretty dazed and sleepy, too.

 

[Sunday]

i believe the fact that his IQ was tested at 65 isnt actually true.. the only place ive seen it is on encyclopedia dramatica and i think it was a jab at a post by LRM to supposedly having an IQ of 162.. while he probably has a below average IQ, i doubt its as low at 65..

wiki answers has 50-70 as "Mild mental retardation"

also

http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/IQBasics.aspx

Yes, everything on Encyclopedia Dramatica is intended to belittle him, including IQ of 65. Someone with an IQ of 65 would look/act/appear to have an IQ of 65. I can't believe that anyone actually believed that.

 

[BorgQueen]

schizophrenia medications are very dangerous to tinker with.. with or without the disease, and he would not just be given them, it would only be done at the discretion of a physician and that would not happen in germany.. if he was on any medications it would be either for flight sickness, or anxiety.. way different beasts..

and how the heck is this a +1 for scientologists?

BBM

If he was medicated, I believe it would be for one of these two reasons.

Anti-anxiety meds can make a person groggy, but they are still in full control of themselves and perfectly aware of their surroundings. Which is how he appeared to me.

BUT, there is no proof either way that he was or was not medicated. Just wild speculation.

 

[Chorley8]

Yes, everything on Encyclopedia Dramatica is intended to belittle him, including IQ of 65. Someone with an IQ of 65 would look/act/appear to have an IQ of 65. I can't believe that anyone actually believed that.

Except for the last paragraph that appears to exonerate him! Well partly. It is a very interesting paragraph and appears to come from the Wikileaks Anonymous etc. side of E.D. not the belittling and satirical side.

I think this case is going to get stranger let's see what happens.

 

[Scientific]

Did you see my earlier post about the subject of his intelligence? Check a couple pages back in the thread. Anyway, there have been some pretty brilliant dropouts who weren't the best at English. It happens. Intelligence isn't usually measured by accomplishment though people often think the two are mutually inclusive; our general use of the term "intelligence" conveys aptitude rather than long-term life performance. I agree with you that his lifelong choices have not been for the best. But then I've known people with high IQs who were math whizzes or computer nerds, who only had a high school education, came from a cycle of poverty and abuse, and couldn't spell worth a damn. Often spelling and grammar use reflect education and class (which are often linked) more than anything else. If we let class differences obscure the vision we won't be able to see his true nature. I'm not trying to praise or defend Eric. It just seemed best to stick with what seems likely so that we can draw accurate conclusions about his behavior.

There's nothing intelligent about Eric. He's an uneducated, high school drop out with serious anger problems. He can't spell, his grammar is atrocious, everything he writes is plagiarized and has no accomplishments. On what basis would you say that he is intelligent - to the extent that it is worth mentioning?

 

[Scientific]

He looks like he expects to be misunderstood and would rather not indulge his viewers. Maybe he only likes attention when he can control it to be sure that it reflects the image he wants to convey. That would be in keeping with a person who withdraws into his own living space, not even wanting to go to night clubs. It also might be that he is realizing now what it truly means to have the attention he sought for so long, so that attention now takes on an ugly cast; some illusion he created for and of himself might have been shattered. Once again, he does not look like a dull person, although he does seem a bit discombobulated in this video.

That's what I'm seeing too.

 

[Sunday]

Ok this just my stuff. Got to go back to power control peroid! I think he had been been killing (we know he had !) for years (we only know animals at this point but bear with me) power control. As he keeps going the "reward" if you will is less and less , so he escalates (titalating the entire globe!) by posting it on internet.
My hangups are all the stuff we all have learned in the last 2 weeks - this dude has been screaming at us online I love blood, I love death, I love sex with dead people, I love torture, i love eating ****, i love serial killer movies etc etc.
It is not his first murder of human , it became, I think , really frustrating him for him to bo doing all this horrible stuff and not really get paid a lot of attention.
That is why I think this time he posted it -- and beleive it or not I think in the long haul we are gonna find that he realized that he is UNABLE to stop and new he needed to be caught in order to be stopped but that is a difficult decision for him.

I disagree. Well, about his reasoning at least. He probably has killed before, but I think anything he may have done was motivated by money. He seems completely void of any sort of zest for anything. He didn't seem to enjoy sex, food, people, or much of anything at all. All his motions in the video seemed unpassionate and obligatory. This doesn't strike me as someone who enjoys murder anymore than he enjoys the other motions of his mundane life. He seems to feel nothing. He seemed to care about nothing other than his appearance, and he has stated that even that is motivated by money (and I am sure a dose of narcissism).

Everyone criticizes his spelling, grammar, etc. Well, he certainly knows how to spell check. It seems to me that he just didn't care.

When I think about his apparent narcissm and need for attention I really think that it is motivated more by mental illness coupled with over-compensating for perceived inadequacies than anything else. More like knowing that he is a piece of ***** and a product of his childhood/environment, and trying to prove to himself and the world that he is not the piece of ***** that he really is. Perhaps he just had a moment of clarity and figured "What the hell, I may as well live up to what I really am." Does that make sense?

 

[Davania]

http://metronews.ca/news/canada/268154/luka-magnottas-extradition-to-canada-exceptional/

 

[Sunday]

Good call Sunday! I also noticed his hair right away. There are probably a LOT of explanations for it, but Syphilis has a characteristic moth-eaten hair loss. Syphilis can also make someone crazy. Al Capone had Syphilis, as did Adolf Hitler. A lot of historical characters had Syphilis, and were horrible people and leaders. Just a thought....

That's an interesting thought. I thought that perhaps he pulls out his own hair. I do know that he said that they removed the hair from the back of his head to transplant it in the from, so IDK, maybe that causes patchiness is not styled correctly. His hair has grown out quite a bit from the mugshot which explains why it looks darker, but why are his eyebrows suddenly so dark again? Sharpie?

 

[Karmady]

http://metronews.ca/news/canada/268154/luka-magnottas-extradition-to-canada-exceptional/

complete carp, imo. It worked here as it's supposed to work. Imo, the fact that it usually doesn't work that way and the criminals typically play the system is just testimony to how effed up the criminal law systems of ALL countries are in favor of the criminals.

 

[Sillybilly]

The only thing I have just read is that the police can interrogate him before his lawyer is appointed at some point tomorrow. Doesn't mean he will answer them but thewiser allowed to interrogate him, under the law, in hopes of him telling them where the head is.

He will be advised of his rights (including his right to remain silent, his right to a lawyer, etc) and LE will interrogate him as much as they can before he lawyers up. The interrogation will likely be videotaped. In 2010 however, there was an interesting decision by the Supreme Court of Canada wrt those rights:

http://www.globalnews.ca/no+right+to+lawyer+in+police+interrogation+supreme+court/85504/story.html

 

[Scientific]

We can see his passion come out during the filming of the plastic surgery video, when he is basically pleading a case for himself and upset at the idea people won't understand how much his life depends upon his looks. In fact, during all interviews of him there is a detectable ripple of emotion that occurs. He's calm, controlled for the most part but there is a smoldering anger just beneath the surface. He has a lot of anger over what he perceives as people willfully misunderstanding him when he has had such a difficult life. You can see that in the buff guy interview (what was it called?) when the interviewers don't seem to care about his personal story of running to lose weight. He doesn't understand why people won't listen and care about his efforts to be worthwhile. And if you've ever felt really enraged then you know that it tends to block other feelings. If he mostly felt bottled rage and fear then he might not be able to feel other things very easily, nor to let someone in so that he could learn to trust and feel more. The kind of rage I saw in those videos, even if it was just controlled ripples, gives me the sense that he has been hurting people for a while, in one way or another.

Your description of his narcissism is apt since that's what narcissism is--the covering up of deep insecurity with a veneer of ego. This fits him well as he didn't seem to be totally sure of what he was. Maybe it was comforting to him to feel like murder was a final act of obliteration. He now was only this hollowness, sans confusion.

I really believe that most of his "mental illness" is just a reaction to his life events. Men often don't know how to process things that happen. If he just stuffed all the pain away inside, vacillating between insecurity, anger, and various identities to try to fill the hole....He might never come to a complete understanding of his own emotional scars, instead objectifying people he barely knew and projecting rage onto them. But at this point he's that wild animal that has drawn blood. What does a civilized nation do with that other than to put him behind bars? The reason it's so hard to rehabilitate antisocials is because it's almost impossible for them to trust.

And then, yeah, maybe he has syphilis. Someone mentioned the possibility of that driving him insane. It certainly wouldn't help things.

I disagree. Well, about his reasoning at least. He probably has killed before, but I think anything he may have done was motivated by money. He seems completely void of any sort of zest for anything. He didn't seem to enjoy sex, food, people, or much of anything at all. All his motions in the video seemed unpassionate and obligatory. This doesn't strike me as someone who enjoys murder anymore than he enjoys the other motions of his mundane life. He seems to feel nothing. He seemed to care about nothing other than his appearance, and he has stated that even that is motivated by money (and I am sure a dose of narcissism).

Everyone criticizes his spelling, grammar, etc. Well, he certainly knows how to spell check. It seems to me that he just didn't care.

When I think about his apparent narcissm and need for attention I really think that it is motivated more by mental illness coupled with over-compensating for perceived inadequacies than anything else. More like knowing that he is a piece of ***** and a product of his childhood/environment, and trying to prove to himself and the world that he is not the piece of ***** that he really is. Perhaps he just had a moment of clarity and figured "What the hell, I may as well live up to what I really am." Does that make sense?

 

[Sunday]

jsut saw the close up footage.. he looks drugged..

not familiar with german law.. would he have been permitted to see a doctor? could they have prescribed him anything?

ive already theorized that he has high levels of anxiety, he could have been begging for something.. maybe clonazepam? something along those lines

I have worked in various institutional pharmacies for many years and, at least in the US, you can be seen by a Dr or Psychiatrist and prescribed meds while incarcerated. He may have been prescribed something for a condition, sleep, or anxiety that could make him drousy, loopy, etc. Zyprexa treats both schizophrenia and bipolar disorder as well as other conditions, and I can assure you that it can turn you into a walking zombie, especially during the first week or two of taking it and/or when increasing the dosage.

 

[Donyale]

A little late as I'm catching up here, but I read this Andrew Cunanan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and was amazed at the similarities between Cunanan and LM in their growing up years.

that is something that I wondered as well, mainly because Magnotta seem to have some sort of fascination with the versace brand, he follows it on twitter, he wrote in that letter about his alleged abuse to Romeo salta, claiming that Manny spit on his versace shirt and there was an article on orato where he fantasized and talked about his fabulous life as a metrosexual who could afford the jet set life and buy a lot of "versache' (sic!). Then again Magnotta seem to be fascinated with a lot of serial killers, I guess he could relate somehow to them.

 

[Scientific]

After reading more about the serial killer John Casablanca, something strange occurred to me. Whether it's the child of fevered late-night imagination you can decide. Apparently John killed a guy he met at a bar and then killed another fellow for criticizing him for the murder. In any case, what if Luka actually did kill someone a couple weeks before he killed Jun Lin, and then went online to post about it as a snuff video--then when he met Jun Lin he murdered him as well? Maybe the video footage is two separate videos spliced together. And maybe he told Jun Lin about the first murder and then decided to murder him as well.

Maybe that is what the Casablanca reference is all about.

pretty chilling to consider :cold:

 

[SoBeCzar]

Good call Sunday! I also noticed his hair right away. There are probably a LOT of explanations for it, but Syphilis has a characteristic moth-eaten hair loss. Syphilis can also make someone crazy. Al Capone had Syphilis, as did Adolf Hitler. A lot of historical characters had Syphilis, and were horrible people and leaders. Just a thought....

He had one hair transplant already. Patches of follicles are removed from the back of the head and spread out into the hair loss area. That is probably what this is from. My ex had this done.

 

[Sunday]

GRAPHIC AND PERSONAL


.... hopefully on that aforementioned trolley. The hockey mask (Lecter style). Stainless steel chains. And a full-body, straight jacket.

I don't mind if they paint on big fat black eyebrows, deep eye shadow, or red pouty lips for his amusement (or for the amusement of the righteous jailers).
No one will see it anyway.
Just as long as they keep him restrained. Firmly.

Too bad Mr. Magnotta missed his Magic Red Carpet Moment with the Paparazzi.

Awwwww. The poor thing.



I am sorry, fellow sleuthers.
I am sorry to be harsh.
But I have to speak up.

I find it very, very difficult to restrain myself at this point. This case has been all-consuming, ever since I found myself inevitably engulfed by it.
I am filled with dark, awful feelings of retribution and revenge.
I wish LRM all the worst in the imaginable world, and in any and all unimaginable worlds of sheer hell as well. Fire and brimstone is too good for him.
I have absolutely no pity for him, for what ever reason, for whatever abuse he may have been subjected to.... I just don't. He has done things so detrimentally abject to everything I believe in and stand for, and I want him thrown in a cell, secluded, for the rest of his life, left to rot, die, forgotten, alone, lost.
The sooner, the better.

Most of all, I hate him for....... that.
Making me think and react like that. I am usually a - I would think - normally kind and gentle person. I have never ever had these harsh thoughts before. Never.
Along with me, he has changed the outlook on life for countless others. His victims are many. Lin Jun and his family first and foremost - but also everybody else who ever watched his vile actions.
And, naturally, cared.
I hate, hate, hate him for it all. For what he did, for what he planned, for what he made others take into their lives.
And all for the sheer enjoyment he would encounter, for his sole entertainment, his moment of fame.
For the suffering, heartache and broken trust in humanity he has brought so many of us.
He is a menace, a fiend, a vile, despicable being who does not deserve one ounce of pity, understanding or respect. He does not have mine, and I will never, ever forget these days I have had since I unwittingly, without caution, and unknowingly clicked that link.

Never will I forget. Ever.
Neither will his victim(s). Or loved ones.

Vile being.
I hope he rots in eternal hell.

My sincere opinion only.

You know, this case sucked me in, as well. You know what I have learned over the past few weeks of research, sleuthing, etc? That there are A LOT of people much sicker than Luka Magnotta in this world. I have discovered and seen things that I would have never imagined were really going on in the world outside of horror movie sets. I have become scared - I haven't been able to sleep well, I'm frightened to go for a walk in the dark, and I set my home alarm before sunset. I can't believe that so many dangerous sickos live, work, and walk amongst us. Since this realization, Luka seems like nothing more than a caricature to me. He's like the watered-down comic book version
of something larger and much, much worse.

 

[Curious Me]

That's an interesting thought. I thought that perhaps he pulls out his own hair. I do know that he said that they removed the hair from the back of his head to transplant it in the from, so IDK, maybe that causes patchiness is not styled correctly. His hair has grown out quite a bit from the mugshot which explains why it looks darker, but why are his eyebrows suddenly so dark again? Sharpie?

His ex gf said he used to bang his head in the shower, if I recall correctly. Yes, his eyebrows are just so dark now.

 

[Sunday]

After reading more about the serial killer John Casablanca, something strange occurred to me. Whether it's the child of fevered late-night imagination you can decide. Apparently John killed a guy he met at a bar and then killed another fellow for criticizing him for the murder. In any case, what if Luka actually did kill someone a couple weeks before he killed Jun Lin, and then went online to post about it as a snuff video--then when he met Jun Lin he murdered him as well? Maybe the video footage is two separate videos spliced together. And maybe he told Jun Lin about the first murder and then decided to murder him as well.

Maybe that is what the Casablanca reference is all about.

pretty chilling to consider :cold:

I thought it had to do with the "Casablanca Effect"?