Art Harris article: Misty Cracks (changes story again)

[azwriter]

Actually, the headless rat makes sense to me. It was a message - a threat to Tommy from Ron. Misty helped. Message: "Lay off, and shut up."

While it was Timmy trying to call to talk to his sister by phone, Tommy was physically fighting with Ron - so severely the police were called.

Tommy has Lisa, 3 little kids kids. IMO, Dead rat means don't be rat, or you'll be dead too. Perhaps (speculation) a previous verbal threat was made about Tommy's kids - you tell about my kid, something will happen to your kid.

More Speculation:
Whatever happened to Haleigh, Ron was at fault, or, Ron believed he would be considered at fault to the point that he could lose Jr. over it. Misty is likely also believes she herself would be found at fault for what happened to Haleigh. Whatever happened to Haleigh, Tommy had knowledge, and/or after-the-fact, became involved. Either through a distress call for help from his little sister, from Ronald, or perhaps because he was actually present at the MH when it was discovered that Haleigh was unconscious, or dead. In Ron's mind, there was nothing he could do about Haleigh now; silence was the way to protect Jr.. Headless Rat = reminder to Tommy about staying silent.

IMO, If Misty's Tommy story is closing in on the truth ...
There is no way this would have gone on this long - no way Ron would not have had some sort of revenge upon Tommy or Misty by now - if he was uninvolved in Haleigh's demise himself. FORTY phone calls. (cough, cough)

Emma, I found this post very interesting and insightful. Good work. BBM
But there is an area where I have different thoughts.

Yes, Ron may have been worried about losing Jr in the wake of his daughter missing. But, I think that thought was secondary for Ron. Instead I would think his main motive to remain silent about that night would be to protect himself. I believe he would cover in order to keep himself from being charged and arrested for whatever happened to his daughter. jmo

 

[azwriter]

It could be a combo of things, I suppose: Ron had his mom watch Haleigh, and (one of them) gave her some meds to make her sleep. Teresa called Misty to come over to babysit, but left, anticipating Misty would come by (Misty's a girl of her word, right? blech). Ron, thinking Misty should be at the house, keeps calling her to see how things are going and can't get her, so calls Tommy, who gets into the MH and discovers Haleigh, lifeless. He calls Ron back, who calls his mom and grandmom, who come over to get Jr and deal with Haleigh, and Tommy is sent to round up Misty so they can stage the crap we heard on the 911 tape.

And Ron's at work.

:toast: debs, I would drink to the ideas you've posted here. You make it sound so real.
jmo

 

[Khaki_Pants]

What's the signifigance of the machine gun in the green army bag then? :waitasec:

 

[lonetraveler]

This is how I beleive it may play out from here. I think Misty and Tommy are going to crack and confess that either Ron instructed Misty to give Haleigh something so Misty could recover from the three day binge or that Ron gave it to her himself. That Haleigh's body was placed in the dumpster and Ron recovered her on his way home that night and told Tommy and Misty that he put her in the river and fed her to the gators to scare them into being quiet, but that TN actually took her somewhere else in case Misty and Tommy betrayed Ron, no one would beleive them, which no one will. I think that Ron told the DA that Misty drugged Haleigh that night she died and Tommy got rid of her.... I don't think Haleigh will be recovered, and I think Ron is going to let Tommy and Misty go all the way down for this and LE can't do anything because they can't prove his involvement.All I have to say is Misty and Tommy, tell the truth, you will be punished for your involvement, buit Ron will get his one day too, if not in this world than in the next.

You are absolutely correct in your theory about Ron. I don't think that Ron has any reluctance at all in letting someone else go down for his actions. He would not hesitate at all.

 

[suspicious1]

Well,I don't think Tommy hurt Haleigh.But I do think he witnessed something.My thoughts on this are few ways.She got mad at ron and did not want to babysit and she went to the party anyway.Tommy said she was not there when he went over there later.Maybe he was there when she returned.He either witnessd something when she got back possibly with another person or persons or he witnessed MC herself hurt Haleigh.I believe JRs man in black story.Someone else was possibly there.I just don't think it was the cousin.Misty knows exactly what happened to little Haleigh and I feel Tommy is protecting Misty.Maybe he won't any more now.

BBM

When I read this I thought about what Tommy said. After Ron called him, he went to the mh and waited around for awhile. What was he waiting for? or who was he waiting on?

Your post also made me think about the claim that Joe walked in a deceased Haleigh and freaked out.....maybe it was Tommy who walked in on a deceased Haleigh.:waitasec:

 

[Kat]

Misty has never stated Timmy was there that day or they smoked a joint on the porch.. .

Em, for some reason I thought Timmy was over there that day, and that they smoked a joint outside (I don't remember if it was said to have been on a porch) but that he was over earlier in the day or am I just really lost because I don't post as much on Haleigh's thread? TIA. I really thought I read that he was.

Why would Tommy take HaLeigh???

Is he an undercover pedophile??? What would be the reason for him taking HaLeigh out of the MH? Why would he?

Why didn't MC elaborate more on the why's of Tommy taking an innocent child...what condition she was in? Very convenient to say ask Tommy he knows everything...she needed to tell and see if the two stories add up...JMHO

I do hope LE is closer in knowing what happened and the whys of it but again, this leaves me with more questions than answers.

Where is HaLeigh????

IMHO, and only MOO Tommy took a deceased Haleigh. She was already deceased.

Yehp. I'm not ready to back off Timmy and Chelsea. Didn't I read where they helped "raise" Misty? If she is loyal to RC like she is, think of how much more loyal she is to Chelsea and Timmy.

The heat is on. The cops already suspect Tommy. She doesn't want to give anyone up, but Tommy is already in jail, so why not give the cops someone so she doesn't have to be under pressure anymore? :waitasec:

After I went to bed last night, I had a hard time falling asleep so I thought about this latest development (story from Misty) among other things.

Yes Timmy. IMHO he is the one she cares enough about to protect for the only reason that she cares about him. The other one that she doesn't care about so much would be Tommy or RC---but only MOO until we get more facts.

I think Lisa was mistaken about which door IMHO.

I hope and pray that this is beginning of the truth and this will lead to where Haleigh is located. I really do, because Haleigh needs to come home. It's been too long.

I still have to think on this scenario, I don't think Misty has told everything she knows yet...but I do think if this latest "story" doesn't turn out to be just another fabrication that possibly there are elements of truth in this story.

JMHO.

 

[lonetraveler]

:toast: debs, I would drink to the ideas you've posted here. You make it sound so real.
jmo

And I would like to join that toast!

 

[Amster]

Some things I have thought for a long time....Haleigh died from an OD. GGS story about laundry is a lie. TN showing up so fast with her police jacket on and a big framed pic of Haleigh was too convenient. Misty's original story about blankets, laundry, etc. was/is a lie. Ronald orchestrated it all.

 

[impatientredhead]

I don't believe the accidental overdose story with any relation to Tommy.

I do believe the death due to drug ingestion, accidental or as in a make the child I don't want to watch sleep for the evening manner. Which one we may never know.

If that happened on Misty's watch she is not going to say so (and would suggest it was given not accidentally ingested). And Ron would have taken part in the clean up, either directly or by instruction (the calls and the texts trying to reach her, the alibi appearance at the mini mart on the way home).

To my point of view if Tommy or anyone else in this case was only involved in the clean up after the fact they would have rolled looooong ago. Led the police to the burial site in exchange for immunity/time served.

Everything Misty has done (and she is a whiny little thing) to me screams direct involvement in the child's death. Ron's behavior and lack of blaming anyone else directly including Misty screams indirect involvement, ie his child dies from the pills he is dealing he could go down on a negligent homicide or felony murder charge.

I still have a hard time believing the police talked to her for eight hours with or without an attorney's approval. The attorney should be fired if he allowed it, and if the convinced her to talk for eight hours I don't see Misty putting up with a brutal emotional day without throwing out the I want my attorney card. jmo

 

[suspicious1]

No one states how the back door was bricked if it's ALWAYS locked...how/who opened it???

Not to mention THERE WAS NO SIGN OF FORCED ENTRY, but yet Ron wanted us to believe that it had been pried open or lock bumped....that has always confused me.

 

[Baznme]

I believe that Misty is begging Tommy to tell the truth so she won't have to be the one to rat on Ronald. This whole story stinks to high heaven. Why has Ronald kept quiet for all these months if he knew that Tommy was the one who killed Haleigh? That makes no sense at all. He would have shouted it from the rooftops, not caring at all who got hurt. Sorry Misty, if you are going to throw someone under the bus, please let it be the one who deserves to be there! Wouldn't it be nice if TN and GMS had to take LDT's? I firmly believe these two know exactly what went down with Haleigh.

Bingo......she's gone as far as she can go with her farce of a story and it's time for Tommy to take some of that pressure off her. She is scared out of her wits of RC. He's made it crystal clear somewhere along the line if she talks, that it's over for her, her brother, the kids in the Croslin family, etc.

Tommy was within a millisecond of telling the truth at one point when G. Hollers put words in his mouth and he grabbed onto it like a life preserver squelching the words of truth that were right on the tip of his tongue. They both need to stop covering and just spit it out!!! Turn in the guilty party(ies) and let them do the time and deservedly so.

 

[lonetraveler]

Yes I remember this and I think the one they both care about is Tommy and the one not so much is Ron.

and Timmy was high that day they even admitted to smoking a joint on the porch, Tommy later claimed he was also messed up on zanex I think it was.

Tommy also said that he didn't go to work that day because he didn't have any drugs to take. I'm thinking that Tommy was given the xanex so that he would calm down and to be able to take a lifeless little girl's body away for disposal. I don't think that Tommy can get that out of his head. It has eaten at him since Feb. 9th, 2009 and that is why he has gone downhill since then.

 

[justus4all]

Quoted from AH article
Amid tears, weeping and shaking, she blurted out that her brother, Tommy, did it and knows everything. Towards the end, she was distraught, yelling, and believed to be so shaken, required a brief suicide watch on a jail medical ward.


bolded by me...

OK...I have several thoughts here.....Altho AH is saying his "sources" are telling all of this happened, I don't believe the LE would share with Art's "sources"what happpened with them /Misty..interrogating her...and EXACTLT what she SAID..word for word...

Having said that, since Levi has made the statement that Misty was being watched/sucicide watch...I believe that...I am asking myself....Why??....Suicide over Tommy???
Rather extreme to me...

But on the other hand...IF...Misty has revealed to the LE..information that could incrimminate RON....and she has SPILLED...what happened...then I can see Misty ...after telling...wanting to commit sucidide......

What COULD have happened in that room...(just a theory) is...Misty DID tell LE what Ron did...he WAS the cause of Haleigh's demise.......and how he involved Misty and Tommy.

The story is maybe being put out there that she is saying Tommy "did it"...to cover up what she REALLY told the LE...that it was Ron....and it possible that ..she WANTS Tommy to REALLY tell the LE what happened that night...

For me to come to this conclusion is...2 things

1. I don't believe any of AH "sources" were in the interragation room with the LE and Misty..and KNOW what was said..

2. I don't see Misty thinking about sucicide for pointing the finger at Tommy...BUT for informing on Ron....YES...I can see her doing that...

MOO...

 

[lonetraveler]

Bingo......she's gone as far as she can go with her farce of a story and it's time for Tommy to take some of that pressure off her. She is scared out of her wits of RC. He's made it crystal clear somewhere along the line if she talks, that it's over for her, her brother, the kids in the Croslin family, etc. Turn in the guilty party(ies) and let them do the time, deservedly so.

Tommy was within a millisecond of telling the truth at one point when G. Hollers put words in his mouth and he grabbed onto it like a life preserver squelching the words of truth that were right on the tip of his tongue. They both need to stop covering and just spit it out!!!

Yep, I think G. Hollars gave Tommy an "out" and he took it. She thought that she was protecting her granddaughter.

 

[waltzingmatilda]

I really believe it is a tangled web bringing these 2 families together.
Ron has to be involved for GGS and TN to do the praises of Misty in the beginning.
So I believe one on Ron's side gives Haleigh the illegal dose of pills to be a good girl for hung over Misty.
IIRC GGS made the remark that Haleigh had a 'meltdown' and she told her to be a GOD GIRL..........so did GGS give her a pill????
Haleigh dies on Misty's watch and is petrified!
All the phone calls that evening is a frantic ron trying to get help to dispose of his own little daughter (how cold & sick!)
That is where Tim, Tom and maybe Joe come in to help Misty.
The wives find out later.
Tim and family skip town.........away from the mess.
Everyone wants to be on the good side of Ron.
They all go into the save our butts mode.
Misty does clean up.
The guys do the disposal.
Ron has an alibi.
TN and GGS stand by Misty.
Ron marries her.
then wild stories of rape etc come out.
IMO, I believe it will come out as an OD on pills that Ron had..........and GGS may of given Haleigh the fatal dose, accidently.
Ron loves GGS and everyone covered up for her!

:woohoo: I agree with you passionflower. I posted the same scenario a long, long time ago. I think this because I found GGMS visit to the MH suspect, and also Misty's comment about Haleigh that 'she was alright THEN'.....and there was talk about her popping wheelies on her bicycle. (although I can't recall who stated it but IIRC it was MC or GGMS) There was also the report of TN offering to pay MC to babysit. I wonder what the payment was?

I've reckoned the question in my mind...."Who would Ron Cover for?" IMO, TN and GGMS. Especially if he requested meds from them to settle Haleigh down and the result was Haleigh's death.

We know TN herself stated on NG that she has taken Oxycontin. (is that the correct name of the drug she was talking about? I can't remember) She discussed the bitter taste and that Haleigh would never take one. Soooooo, we know that she has had a prescription for them at some point in time.

This is the only scenario that I can think of that fits the collective bizarre behavior of these 'unusual people'.

Just some of my thoughts on this case as I have taken a break from the 'madness' lately. But your post expresses exactly what I have thought for a while now but you have stated it so much better than I.

MOO wm

 

[lonetraveler]

Quoted from AH article
Amid tears, weeping and shaking, she blurted out that her brother, Tommy, did it and knows everything. Towards the end, she was distraught, yelling, and believed to be so shaken, required a brief suicide watch on a jail medical ward.


bolded by me...

OK...I have several thoughts here.....Altho AH is saying his "sources" are telling all of this happened, I don't believe the LE would share with Art's "sources"what happpened with them /Misty..interrogating her...and EXACTLT what she SAID..word for word...

Having said that, since Levi has made the statement that Misty was being watched/sucicide watch...I believe that...I am asking myself....Why??....Suicide over Tommy???
Rather extreme to me...

But on the other hand...IF...Misty has revealed to the LE..information that could incrimminate RON....and she has SPILLED...what happened...then I can see Misty ...after telling...wanting to commit sucidide......

What COULD have happened in that room...(just a theory) is...Misty DID tell LE what Ron did...he WAS the cause of Haleigh's demise.......and how he involved Misty and Tommy.

The story is maybe being put out there that she is saying Tommy "did it"...to cover up what she REALLY told the LE...that it was Ron....and it possible that ..she WANTS Tommy to REALLY tell the LE what happened that night...

For me to come to this conclusion is...2 things

1. I don't believe any of AH "sources" were in the interragation room with the LE and Misty..and KNOW what was said..

2. I don't see Misty thinking about sucicide for pointing the finger at Tommy...BUT for informing on Ron....YES...I can see her doing that...

MOO...

ITA, a teenager in love will do anything to protect their love. She is giving Tommy her approval to spill the truth. Ron and family have probably been telling her that Ron has an alibi (he was at werk) and that she would be the accused if she or her brother ever opened their mouths.

 

[Amster]

Not to mention THERE WAS NO SIGN OF FORCED ENTRY, but yet Ron wanted us to believe that it had been pried open or lock bumped....that has always confused me.

At the beginning, when LE said there was no forced entry....didn't Ronald come up with the theory of a pedophile who was also a locksmith? :innocent: The lock bumping came up later. Someone must have told Ronald that his "theory" was unbelievable. That's when the lock bumping theory was invented to cover up for Ronald.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

I was already discussing this in the Levi thread, I wonder if we discuss it here or there?

Well anyways. I could totally beleive this. Tommy went down hill fast after Haleigh went missing. I can see all of them covering for each other which was my original theory, that Misty was still hung over from the weekend didn't want to baby sit, either Ron gave Haleigh something before work or had Misty or GGS give her something, Haleigh probably aspirated on her vomit and died Misty panicked on the phone with Ron, Ron calls Tommy over. Tommy gets rid of Haleogh, Misty is left to clean the blankets and stuff. No one wanted to go to jail, they all covered for themselves, I think Tommy may have feed Haleigh to the gators.
This was my original theory and its really the only one that makes since, now I think that Timmy helped as well thats why Chelsey keeps inserting herself in it.

Hi butterfly, I like your theory, and think you are probably right. Only think I might add: Add TN to the bolded part (BBM). She got there too soon with the picture of H in hand. And then there are the stories about her asking MC to babysit, or MC asking her to babysit. Too much unexplained confusion here. Great theory.

 

[lonetraveler]

A thought came to me as I read the latest posts. If anyone besides Ron or Ron's immediate family member is charged in this crime, all the defense team has to do is borrow from WS all the reasonable doubt he needs for the jury to consider......:waitasec:

 

[cluciano63]

If Misty is talking but doesn't know where Haleigh is...how can it matter? There have been so many stories, unless someone talks who can also lead LE to Haleigh, I don't see how any story can have any more weight than any other...or lead to a conviction...