Aruba - Natalee Holloway, 18, Oranjestad, 30 May 2005 #2

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s01e04 Episode Script
Aruba

"The plan we had been talking about all along was to go to Aruba, identify these potential target areas where we feel like that Natalee's grave could be.
Originally John said Natalee was buried in the National Forest.
Now, he's saying that she's buried near one of the aunt's rental houses.
We asked Gabriel to circle an area on a map of where John told him the grave was located.
I subsequently pulled up an aerial photograph and matched that with the area that he had circled.
There's a cul-de-sac that goes to a hill.
That's what he described in his statement.
But we need to go check these spots out.
I don't know.
I'll have to think about that for a while.
There are a lot of cul-de-sacs within a ten-mile radius of the aunt's house.
Finding the exact spot would be like trying to find a needle in a haystack.
It's gonna make it a little bit more difficult, but we believe the information that John shared with Gabriel of what he was instructed and paid to do by Joran van der Sloot is is true.
We have to move forward regardless if they come or not.
We can't give up.
We need to get justice for Dave and his family."
 
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con't

"[DRAMATIC MUSIC] My team and I are gonna follow up with information that we obtained from John and Gabriel's statement.
Once we've narrowed down all the locations, Dave will join us here in Aruba.
We need to identify the gravesite, which is up in the air between two different areas, one being the National Forest and the other location he talked about in New Orleans, the road at the end of the cul-de-sac.
There's probably more of a chance that we can pinpoint that.
So Gabriel is not coming? No, I don't even want to get into that.
Damn.
If we can identify where we think the remains were, that a perfect that's a perfect world.
If I send you up a particular trail or whatever, and you're looking for a cactus and a rock, without John actually saying.
"X" marks the spot, it's it's futile.
We've come too far, and I think we go out today and try to gather some of this information.
Let's see if we can confirm it.
It's worth a shot.
Yeah.
Before you go on a location for surveillance, you do as much work as possible.
I had a certain amount of information.
I knew where the aunt lived, because Gabriel had circled it on a map, and that house is a key part because the perpetrator mentioned to Gabriel the burial site is within ten minutes walking distance of his aunt's house.
[DRAMATIC MUSIC] All right, the house we're looking for is the last house on the left.
Last house on the left.
Correct.
You're not kidding about that.
- Is that it? - Correct.
Let's move on and check out the cars.
See if the aunt still has the same car that he claims he used to transport the remains.
I want to get the tag on that car.
There it is.
That's the blue Mitsubishi, the same one he described in his confession.
- You got it? - Got it.
Okay.
Are we gonna turn around? No, it can go right.
We've located that house."
 
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"We verified that information as being true.
From there, we can draw a radius to find the cul-de-sac.
We shouldn't be too far away.
Keep an eye out for any cul-de-sacs or or roads that might fit that description.
- He said it's up on a hill.
- Right.
Is that where he's talking about? There's a hill.
It don't look like the end of a cul-de-sac.
Well, it doesn't look like there's a way to really walk through.
There's a lot of cactus.
You don't think it's not here.
I don't think [INDISTINCT] cactus.
See, we're on a witch hunt.
Now, there is another possibility of a cul-de-sac.
Where? If we make the next left, that would be previous to the aunt's house but still within ten minutes' walking distance, and that goes kind of up a hill from what I can tell.
Where's the next left? Right around this bend.
Bingo.
[DRAMATIC MUSIC] Look at here.
There's a path.
[GASPS] Cul-de-sac and a path.
Yeah, so this one I think is viable, this path directly ahead of us.
I think we need to go walk up here a minute.
We went up the mountain on foot and started checking it out, just looking around.
Things started to kind of click and I was like, ooh, you know, this feels good.
Yeah, I'm looking for the cactus that he was describing.
Wow.
Oh, hang on.
Hang on.
Look at this one.
There's another little one.
I think this location is plausible.
I mean, if I were to bury a body, who's gonna see it here? I mean, the location seems ideal as far as going up a path, homes on either side, up on a hill.
All that fits.
But are we gonna find the perfect place until John leads us there? Yeah, the aunt's house is right there.
Yeah, I know.
I think we're in the right area, but again, pinpointing unless he gets here with him We might as well be in Kansas.
Right.
We need John."
 
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"[DRAMATIC MUSIC] The first location, while interesting, it just wasn't the right spot for getting rid of Natalee in the way that the suspect is claiming it happened.
Okay, the second location makes a little bit more sense than the forest.
So these homes are new, but they so they weren't here.
- So these houses weren't here.
- Okay.
And here's the end of the cul-de-sac.
- Okay.
- Okay? Here's the dirt road that goes up a hill he talks about.
That path right there actually goes - to the aunt's house.
- Yeah, I was gonna say there's a pathway back there.
Yeah.
Right, yeah.
So we're gonna hike up here.
Okay.
Interesting.
Well, I mean, you definitely have got a unique spot up here.
- You're secluded.
- Right.
You definitely have got some very visible - Landmarks.
- Markings.
- Landmarks, for sure.
- Yeah.
So you park up here, right? You can get the car up to that spot.
Yeah, you can bring the car up here.
And then you are taking the body somewhere.
Yes.
And in the middle of the night you're not still not wanting to go far.
Well, you gotta remember, the houses were not there.
Right.
And if you, you know, if this area was familiar, you know Yeah, if no one else is here, you could have all the time in the world.
Right.
- It's digable.
- Yep.
It might be even more so in other areas.
See, nobody would see you.
If you if you got a body, drug a body down here, nobody would see you.
Jason, take a look over here and tell me what you think.
Okay What'd you see, Eric? See, you got you got your little triangular rock, you got some good vantage points, and you've got your little area right up in here.
Okay, if you were ducking underneath these trees right here, that's a clearing, and then look at all the cactus around it.
Right, exactly.
And look at all that open dirt.
Yeah, completely protected down here, no one, even if they parked in the circle, they would probably have a hard time seeing you down here.
Is the ground soft enough to dig three feet deep? I would say so.
I can go down an inch easy with my shoe.
It's definitely feasible.
And what was Joran's connection to this spot? Well, that's kind of a lookout point, so he might have been familiar with it and knew that nobody goes in here because of all the cactus.
They just sit up there, make out, - or whatever, nobody ever - Or worse.
- He had a reputation.
- Right.
What do you think, T.
J.
? I think this is probably the most potential area yet that we've seen.
For sure."
 
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Interesting, but it was never mentioned how free vacay to New Orleans was positioned. Who the heck did he think was perhaps paying? John thought that free vacation to New Orleans was being paid for by Gabe? (pffft, when Gabe can't even work, whining that he want more money all the while) yet producers never touched on!!

....and next up freebie is an all-expenses-paid for free vacation trip to to Aruba for two guys and gals . all four ...within a SHORT amount of time.

Again, producers never touched on how he was convinced that they were getting a free vacation for 4. Pffft. :moo:

SMDH

This whole farce :moo: disgusts me, but it's like a train wreck I can't turn my head away.

I'm so glad her mother has moved on from being manipulated, and I am so sad at the tragedy that her father still is being manipulated and abused again and again by soooooo many parties.

So VERY many.

:moo:

:praying: I am wrong!

I know I'm in the minority here, and we often disagree, and I guess this is one of those times.
 
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more JL/G ...
Natalee Holloway john ludwick breaks silence part 2
Sept13 2017


[video=youtube;NoaJJh31x-c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoaJJh31x-c[/video]

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issues with TJW
"now you can't use that against me"

John says he might be sick but he's not a murderer. There is no "might" about you being a sicko.
 
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[video=youtube;NoaJJh31x-c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoaJJh31x-c[/video]
Natalee Holloway john ludwick breaks silence part 2

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hmmm, had posted wrt to JL possibly having known JVS pre 2010.

[video=youtube;NoaJJh31x-c]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoaJJh31x-c[/video]

see comment section
 
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Arikok National Park Aruba 2013

northern loop
southern loop
Sero Jamanota

[video=youtube;GJf11f_P4Kg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJf11f_P4Kg[/video]
 
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http://www.oxygen.com/blogs/joran-v...they-burned-natalee-holloways-skull-in-a-cave

Joran Van Der Sloot’s Friend Says They Burned Natalee Holloway’s Skull In A Cave

by Matt Muro
September 16, 2017

“The only thing that got burned was the skull to burn the hair fibers,” says Joran's friend. “It was doused in gasoline in a fire pit in a cave.”


"In episode 5 of “The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway,” John Ludwick, who is a friend of Joran Van der Sloot, claims on video that he and Joran burned Natalee’s skull in a cave in Aruba in 2010."


"The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway” chronicles Natalee’s father, Dave, and his private investigator, TJ Ward, chasing a new lead in the case. In the clip above, John has agreed to talk after an informant working with TJ recorded him saying that Joran Van der Sloot paid him $1,500 to dig up Natalee’s body.

Asked where he took the remains, John says Joran had initially discussed having them cremated. While it was illegal to bring in human remains to be cremated, John says that some morgues in Aruba would cremate pets. “The idea was to crush everything to the point where it wasn’t recognizable as her bones or skull or anything like that,” says John, explaining that he and Joran spent hours pummeling the bones.

Natalee’s skull was also apparently burned in this process. “The only thing that got burned was the skull to burn the hair fibers,” says John. “It was doused in gasoline in a fire pit in a cave.”

What is striking about this clip, aside from the heinous actions that John is describing, is the visceral and pained look on TJ Ward’s face. We can only imagine what it’s like for father Dave Holloway to see the footage. After 12 years of searching for answers, hopefully closure is imminent.

Bone fragments discovered during the new investigation by Dave Holloway and TJ Ward are currently in a lab for DNA testing. The forensic scientist leading the charge, Dr. Jason Kolowski, told Oxygen.com at least one of the bone fragments is from a single individual. “They are human, and they are of Caucasian, European descent,” he said. Natalee, who was declared legally dead in 2012, was also Caucasian and of European descent. Final DNA results are expected by late September or early October.

Joran Van der Sloot is currently serving a 28-year prison sentence in Peru for the murder of 21-year-old Stephany Flores. Chillingly, he murdered Stephany five years to the day of Natalee Holloway’s disappearance."
 
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http://www.oxygen.com/blogs/joran-v...they-burned-natalee-holloways-skull-in-a-cave

Joran Van Der Sloot’s Friend Says They Burned Natalee Holloway’s Skull In A Cave

by Matt Muro
September 16, 2017

“The only thing that got burned was the skull to burn the hair fibers,” says Joran's friend. “It was doused in gasoline in a fire pit in a cave.”

When John is speaking to the FBI agent, this is the first time that it feels like the truth is being told. Hopefully this will lead to all the facts being uncovered. Her parents deserve to know exactly what happened to Natalee.
 
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watching last nights episode I was in shock and pretty numb from what they described they did to natalee's bones. She was a good kid who came from a good family. I don't know weather or not to believe him. He and his buddy lie about lying so often.... I just cant imagine being this evil
 
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