Aruba - Natalee Holloway, 18, Oranjestad, 30 May 2005 #2

[Smallfox]

Something else, how / why would Gabriel do this for no money? Why wouldn't they have paid him something? So weird.

It doesn't make any sense does it? Gabriel claims he has lost his house and was/is not able to care for his daughter due to lack of money. So he spends every penny he has trying to find NH and lets everything else go?? I'm sorry, I just don't believe it. He is having one h*ll of a fit on his FB page because he isn't getting any money out of it. He says he knows where NH is but will not tell T.J.

Here is a quote from Gabriel made about 11:00am on 9-19-17;

"How would you like it if you worked so hard on this and you put 5 years of your life and money you don't make a dime of this I mean a dime only TJ get paid for it cause his only doing it for the money. And you figure out there is more to this with solid proof. And your the only person that didn't give up after everyone did you go back fine the remains. Then they can do a show cause of your sacrifice and at the end people want you to just tell that no good piece of **** TJ Ward what you discovered I will tell Beth tweety the mother but won't to dave cause he runs to that old bat that did figure **** out if it wasent for me how would you feel to loose everything cause of this and someone that dosent have a clue just say just give it to dave hell no **** wasent easy just to give it up to an old bat that can't do **** asan investigator. I'll work with Beth. Only or dave with out TJ that simple"

If Gabriel knows where NH is can't he be charged with obstruction of justice? He refuses to tell where she is because he won't get the "glory." I believe Gabriel should be charged with a crime also.

 

[Tadpole12]

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[MissLaura]

I listened to that Nancy Grace podcast with Gabriel. He kept bringing up how he got no money out of this and was told by TJ he would be compensated for some of the travel or something but it didn't happen. He seems hung up on money. He obviously doesn't like TJ. I get a bad feeling that this thing is a hoax and someone trying to make money off this tragedy. I hope I'm wrong and Gabriel is doing this because it's the right thing to do, but it's hard to believe. Why is he still associating with John? From the series he says dealing with him is hell and they have the remains now. Why continue to interact with a psycho? None of this is making sense to me. I just wanted these remains to be Natalee so Dave & Beth could have some closure.

 

[Tadpole12]

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The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway (2017) Episode Scripts
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5. The Burial Site
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The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway (2017) s01e05 Episode Script

The Burial Site
1If we can identify where
we think the remains were,
that's the perfect world.
Let me ask you all this.
Do you think this is real?
Yeah.
What is your plans when you get here?
I'm going to go
to where he removed the body.
Okay.
I am just so fed up.
It has to be John's way.
Yeah.
And if we don't do John's way,
then we ain't gonna get nothing.
When I spoke with Gabriel,
he was totally stressed out.
If we don't have John to
show us this location,
we're dead in the water.
Kathy, let me know when he calls you
and tells you the GPS has been placed.
Okay, they're moving again.
Yeah, he's on the move.
The battery is down to 1%.
We need to get to the scene so
we can still find that GPS.
Let me go with them.
I'm guessing they left.
Let's go, let's go, let's go.
It's showing zero battery life,
but it's still throwing out a signal.
It's gonna be real close.
[DRAMATIC MUSIC]
[DRAMATIC MUSIC]
- Keep on going.
- Okay.
Okay, right here.
Right now we have a GPS
that may or may not still
be emitting a signal
which supposedly will mark
the actual burial site.
It's showing zero battery life,
but it's still throwing out a signal.
We're heading to where
John took Gabriel.
John brought him to a cul-de-sac
within ten minutes walking distance
of his aunt's house.
That is really close to
Natalee's grave, evidently,
and we're gonna bring the dog there
and see if Chance can pick up the scent.
So I hope this is it.
Yeah, I think that battery
died about 15 minutes ago.
We just got word that the GPS died,
so we're gonna meet up with Gabriel,
and he's going to actually
take us to the spot.

 

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[DRAMATIC MUSIC]
Wow, yeah, this fits, totally.
[EXHALES]
Holy crap.
No.
Didn't even bother,
because I didn't want to
sketch him out, you know?
Now that we've found
the right cul-de-sac,
we've got to consider two things.
First is, is it plausible
that they could have
buried her in this area?
The dirt is soft enough to
actually bury someone there,
because a lot of the island is
a lot of rock and hard soil.
Secondly, we have to consider is,
can a cadaver dog pick up a human scent
at that location?
It's this right here, this location.
This pathway is exactly
where he told me he went.
From this point on, you go around.
We have to go beyond
that line of cactus,
Okay.
And then you can go in that way.
- How far is it?
- 1,000 feet.
- 1,000 feet?
- Yeah.
Beyond that line right there.
I have a video I took video.
Okay.
Uh-huh, okay.
Yeah.
Seven years of growth.
Mm-hmm.
The area changed a lot.
He seemed like he wasn't sure
that he would be able to
find the exact place.
I'll bring Chance in
just to see if he picks up anything.
All righty, young man.
Chance, come here.
[CHAIN CLINKING]
Chance, hunt.
Come on, Chance, please.
I just hope and pray
that it all works out
how we have it planned.
And I hope that we can
bring Natalee home.
Oh, come on, Chance, do your thing.
Even if the spot is marked
and the dog doesn't hit on it,
it's still something
that you probably are
gonna have to dig down,
because, having been in
the ground that long
with a tropical climate, just over time,
the likelihood, it's not great.
Here's a soft spot, right here.
I saw him sit down over
there a couple of times.
If Natalee's remains were still there,
a cadaver dog would
find them, no problem.
But because we think she was moved,
we'll have to pinpoint
the exact location
so that the cadaver dog can
hit on any residual DNA.
Chance, hunt.
Has to be here, it just has to be.
I come here, and it's changed,
and I almost get lost.
You know, seven years is a long time,
especially with vegetation
and all that kind of stuff.
Here's an opening right here.
I'm looking at an opening.
Yeah, there's one right here too, Eric.
There's two big cactus right here.
Okay, that makes sense.
So if that's 10, from there to 10,
and then, from there, go out 20 feet.
Two trees, right there, boom, boom.
You can go under them a little bit.
There's a rock.
I mean, that's a really
good possibility.
That fits everything.
Yeah, everything that he
said, it fits right here.
He said the sand was soft.
Yeah, this is pretty soft.
Okay, guys.
Based upon the response of the dog
when he sat over there,
that tells me he's
picking up minute scent.
- Mm-hmm.
- So it could be
another 50 yards that way
or another 50 yards that way.
We might be off a little.
Maybe some of those places,
the brush overgrew,
and, you know, the dog
didn't go that way.
- Could be.
- You know?
There are a lot of locations
that fit John's description
of the burial site.
We're working off of a
seven-year-old memory,
so we may have to search the
surrounding areas as well.
Go out to that site,
and you kind of get disappointed
that the dog did not
find the exact location.
But I think, at this point in time,
we need to involve the
Aruban authorities
to tear up that whole hillside.
All right, let's go.
There are several locations
that match John's description
that we've identified.
And it's time for us to
compile the information
and turn it over to the
Aruban authorities.
Here's what I want to happen.
I want to take this information
to the Aruban police
and see if we can get
an investigator today.
I want to put the investigation
in their hands, what we have,
because I feel confident
John was part of this conspiracy
to take your daughter up
and take her and have her cremated.
Dave has been living this for 12 years,
and he's scared.
He's scared of another letdown.
I've got to keep his
emotions, his spirit up
and let him know that
I'm on board with him.
We have done everything there
is to gather information.
We have three days of video
of John telling Gabriel
he was was involved,
not only with Joran van der Sloot,
but has implicated Paulus van der Sloot
of being part of the shindig.
In this investigative notebook,
we have laid out everything
we've discovered

 

[Tadpole12]

in the past 18 months about
John Ludwig's involvement
in the disappearance
of Natalee Holloway.
We have several hours
of taped confessions,
including a video at the site
where he claims he dug
up Natalee's remains.
We have proof that John was
on the islands in 2010
and had a relationship
with Joran van der Sloot.
We're handing off more than they need
to bring John in for questioning.
The Aruban authorities
have an obligation
to take what we have and
to do something with it.
Okay.
They don't want to get
caught up in another 2005.
They need to clear their name,
and they need to bring closure
to your family, okay?
So you're complete.
Yes, and we're ready to rock.
- Okay?
- All right, let's go.
Let's get it.
John and Gabriel are leaving the island
here in the next few days,
and we don't know whether or not
the Aruban authorities
are gonna bring him in
for question before they leave or not.
And the issue becomes, is,
if they don't bring him
in for questioning,
that it causes a lot more difficulty
if they have to extradite him
back from the United States.
We continue to work with
the Aruban authorities
and it stirs up the emotions that we had
back when the investigation
first started.
It was bad in the beginning.
In 2005, we're up here getting
ready to do a search,
and a police vehicle with
two uniformed officers
sped down through here.
They positioned the vehicle
just behind one of those big rocks,
And then they both got
out of the vehicle,
searched around the rocks a little bit.
They opened the trunk.
And I couldn't really tell
from this vantage point
what they were doing,
but I knew that they
were putting something
in the back of the police vehicle.
They slammed the door, took off.
The chief of police
was Paulus van der Sloot's best friends.
You start putting all
those clues together,
and it kind of makes sense
"that," Let's send a
patrol car down here
"and pick up whatever we need to pick up
before somebody else finds it."
You know, those things start
running through your mind
after you figure out what's
happened in the background.
At some point in time,
you end up losing respect for
the entire investigation.
But then you think, okay,
well, who else are you
gonna lean on, you know?
It's the police.
You know, those type people,
you could screw them in the ground,
they're so crooked.
We're going to meet with Chief
Richardson and his team.
You know, we had a poor investigation
from the very beginning,
until the current police chief,
Chief Richardson, took over.
I think Richardson is
up and up and sincere
and wanting to resolve this case.
- You got your book?
- Yeah.
I got everything.
All we can do now is see what happens.
You feel good about it, Eric?
Yeah, I don't think they'll
let this slip away, do you?
No.
After we get through this stuff today,
they're gonna go snatch their asses up.
John and Gabriel are scheduled
to leave the island in 48 hours.
We need to bring the
authorities on board
so we can get them taken into
custody before they leave.
They're not gonna let
them get off the island.
Yeah, we'll see.
[DRAMATIC MUSIC]
After we get through this stuff today,
they're gonna go snatch their asses up.
They're not gonna let
them get off the island.
Yeah, we'll see.
Our last card is going
to the Aruban police
and then getting them
to force the issues.
You can't bring back my daughter,
but you sure can continue
to press forward
to finally get justice and
to find out what happened.

 

[Tadpole12]

Joran needs to serve his
time for Natalee's murder.
You know, I'm not gonna stop
until we finally get
justice for Natalee.
That's just all there is to it.
I'm not gonna stop.
All right, let's do this.
Let's see what they say.
[TENSE MUSIC]
Good morning, Mr. Ward,
how are you, sir?
Good, how are you doing?
- Welcome.
- Yeah.
Thank you.
So how do you feel, Dave?
I thought it was a very good meeting,
and I think they were excited,
and we're all kind of excited
that, you know, this might go down.
Yeah, I mean, he was real receptive,
and I felt real good about it.
They're going to get an order right now
to get the car that's
at the aunt's house.
Yeah.
There should be DNA in the aunt's car.
And that's all we need
to prove our case.
And I told him the time
restraints that we have
with the informant and the perpetrator
leaving the island on Tuesday afternoon.
So they're gonna have to move swiftly
to get this thing done.
Yeah, they got their work
cut out to do, so
I think once they get an
opinion from the prosecutor,
then they can go out and grab John.
- Yeah.
- Hold him for a week, ten days,
however they plan on holding him.
The ball is in their court.
And we shared with them for
three hours this morning
and turned that notebook over to them,
plus all what we did
since we've been here.
And I know they're probably
in the process right now
of taking that car.
Oh, I hope so.
And we have handed not
only the informant
but the parties involved for
them on a silver platter
in hopes that law enforcement
will take action
and move quickly with a
lot of credible evidence.
[CELL PHONE RINGING]
Yeah?
Can we meet you there?
All right, why don't we
meet you there at 5:15,
at the big white house?
It's right there in that cul-de-sac.
Okay.
We'll see you in about 45 minutes.
All right, thank you, sir.
This might be in then.
I mean, if they can come
in and start excavating
We'll see.
- Ready?
- Yep.
My level of confidence in
the new administration
is fairly high, but you
still have the doubt.
When we met with the police chief,
they seemed to be telling us things
that give us confidence
that they're wanting to solve the case.
We are heading to the site
with the Aruban authorities.
Our job is to gather enough evidence
for them to reopen the investigation.
If the site checks out to be plausible,
the Aruban authorities have
the ability to check the area
with more aggressive tools
than we have access to.
He said they're gonna go through,
and they got equipment
that they can locate
- Clear it?
- Yeah.
I'm interested in knowing what
kind of equipment they got.
I don't know.
Maybe they got something
we don't know about.
Here comes another vehicle.
Is that them?
Hey, hey.
- Good, good.
- Yeah, good.
- Right over here.
- Yeah?
- Let's go.
- Hey, what's going on?
Tracy, you want to take them in there?
- Yes, sir.
- Okay.
Yes, sir.
This morning, John brought
Gabriel out here.
They went to the rock, and he said,
"Yeah, see this heart-shaped rock?
Go ten paces."
And he said, "Yes, it's right here."
"and only me you and van der Sloot
"are the only three people in the world
that know this location."
- Okay.
- So this is the only location
that John has positively identified.
I do, yes, sir.
Realistically, if you're trying to dig
and you're digging quick,
this would make sense.
Ground is soft.
Yeah, oh, yeah.
And there's no reason he
This would be right around ten.
Yeah.
Right in front of big cactus.
- Big rock.
- Big rock.
- Two big rocks.
- Yeah. -
Sure.
Great, thank you.
That's dig-able.
That's a low spot, there.
- Poor man.
- Yeah, it's heartbreaking.
Yeah, David.
We desperately want
some physical evidence,
like a bone, some DNA.
And Dave's walking around,
and your heart just breaks,
because everybody
so desperately
wants closure for him.
We had a forensic guy come out here.
He said don't totally
rely on the dog, so
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, really?
Okay.
I've got to hand it to the
Aruban chief of police.
We witnessed that they showed
up at the alleged crime scene
ready to try to solve this case.
You know I'll be in there every time.
People say, "Why don't
you just give up?"
I can't give up, I can't.
No, I ain't either.
Sounds good.
Hear Dolfi be so insistent
that he's going to solve the case
makes me feel like we've
made the right decision
in turning the investigation
over to them.
Yeah, we'll put them under surveillance.
- Yep, yep, we'll do that.
- Yeah, if that's what you want.
While the Aruban authorities
begin the next phase
of the investigation,
Kathy and Eric both will be conducting
physical surveillance on the perpetrator
to give law enforcement
a little more advantage
and a little more notice
if they want to bring an arrest.
We've got joint cooperation
with law enforcement.
On top of that, the
commissioner of police
is out here also,
and they've just summonsed
a crime scene unit

 

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to analyze some of the information
that we've turned over to them.
I feel good about law
enforcement's aggressiveness,
them sending a crime scene unit out
when it was almost dark,
and started doing work.
This is the number one
thing on their plate
in Aruba right now.
Commissioner has responded very quickly
from the information.
He said it was very orchestrated
and put together very well.
They've turned my
investigative notebook over
to the Attorney General.
They said they got what they need,
and they're gonna filter through it.
And what their plan is tomorrow morning,
to take all of them in custody
All of them.
I think law enforcement
will proceed to arrest John
and take the girlfriend and
Gabriel into custody also
and get the whole story.
They haven't shut this thing down.
- He wants this thing solved too.
- Yeah.
John and Gabriel are leaving
the island tomorrow morning.
Time right now is a factor.
- That's where we are.
- Good job.
We'll see what happens in the morning.
You know, it's in your court
to do what you have to do.
Just call me and let
me know, if you would.
I appreciate it.
- All right, thank you, sir.
-
- That was Dolfi?
- Yeah.
He said right now the
prosecutor would check the car.
If they find something in the car,
then they're gonna issue
an arrest warrant.
Chief of police is confident,
if there's something there,
if he gets his hands on the vehicle
that John claims that he
transported Natalee's remains in
and there's still evidence
in the trunk of that car,
that is going to be a big
piece of the puzzle.
I can't bite the hook
until you show me that DNA sample
matches Natalee's samples.
The police have no obligation
to keep us informed of
what their plans are,
but I'm confident, what
we handed off to them.
There's no way they're gonna
let this guy leave the island
when we have so much on him.
I suppose we're gonna do
a little surveillance
this morning?
Yeah, gonna go down and see
if they're at the airport,
see if they're at the hotel.
Well, after what happened last night,
it would be very interesting
to know if they're still buddy-buddy.
Last night, Gabriel
picked a fight with John.
He was so upset that we haven't
found any evidence yet,
that he told John that he was
tired of him being a deadbeat,
and when he gets home, he
wants him out of the house.
There's no reason of
putting up with John
if he's not gonna take
us to the location.
That'll tell me a lot.
They have not made up.
- How do you know?
- How do you know?
As of when?
As of when I spoke to them last night.
Because he wants to leave his butt here.
Remember, I was reading the texts.
He wants to just leave him here.
Dave, what do you think?
Should I tell Gabriel to do it
if he feels comfortable doing that?
- Yeah, oh, yeah.
- All right.
All right, well, we'll ride down,
and John and Gabriel are
supposed to be leaving,
so we'll go down to see if
they've kissed and made up
and heading to the airport.
We're on our way to Brickell Bay,
and we're gonna watch them leave
to see what the situation is.
Correct.
Mm-hmm, bye.
Catch them coming out,
see where they go, see how they act.
295, it might be this white
Mitsubishi right here.
That one, right there,
yeah, in the middle.
When you are involved in a surveillance,
you don't call the shots.
Your subject dictates where you go,
when you go, and how long you go.
We got a little security guy
giving us the snake eye.
It's just a matter of
trying to maintain them,
trying to keep an eye on them.
When the Arubans have a chance
to review everything in detail,
they might issue some
type of arrest warrant
that'll be served in Aruba.
[CLEARS THROAT]
[TENSE MUSIC]
- Is that them?
- Yeah.
I don't see John and his girlfriend.
Are they leaving them here?
Left his butt here.
[LAUGHING]
What's he gonna do?
He's gonna have to start
gambling to try and earn money,
but he doesn't even have
any money to start with.
He'll prostitute his girlfriend.
He'll prostitute himself.
[TENSE MUSIC]
Their flight leaves soon.
He could be stranded here in Aruba,
which would be great for us,
because we can use every
second we can get.

 

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[DRAMATIC MUSIC]
It's 7:16.
Sitting outside the
Brickell Bay Beach Club,
waiting for John and his girlfriend
to depart Aruba, heading
back to the States.
So if John misses his flight,
doesn't he have to do a reschedule fee?
John is stuck here.
We can only speculate
what he's gonna do.
I mean, what is he gonna do?
He's gonna have to start
gambling to try and earn money,
but he doesn't even have
any money to start with.
Gabe leaving John and
his girlfriend here
gives the Arubans more
time to pick them up
and get information out of him.
There he is, there he is.
They are running.
We're gonna circle around and see.
Okay, he's got a ride somewhere.
Oh, here's the taxi.
I was like, "Oh, my lord,
he's getting away."
He's in a taxi; He's getting away."
[TENSE MUSIC]
He ran like a bat out of hell.
Oh, f
We've given the police all
of their flight information.
They know when they leave.
All we can hope is that
they're waiting for them
at security at the airport.
Oh, he's hauling .
Oh, she got plenty of money.
Yeah, guys, they're running around,
trying to figure out where to check in.
[PLANE WHINES]
Well, they were able to
scurry in and get through
Get through customs and check in.
So they're on the plane with Gabriel.
Just kind of sad that
we've come this far
and hit another dead end.
But the only saving grace is,
maybe kick-started for the Arubans.
They might be able to
get some trace evidence
and be able to implicate
John, get him back here.
But as it stands right now,
we move on.
[ATMOSPHERIC MUSIC]
When do you y'all think
y'all will be leaving?
Well, I don't know yet.
So we'll see.
Hey, they're back.
Hey, guys.
- What's going on, folks?
- Oh, hi, there.
What's going on?
What's going on?
It's been a crazy day.
Eventful morning.
We went to the hotel.
Gabriel and his girlfriend
came out by themselves.
And they got in the car and left.
- Alone.
- Alone.
And right around 8:00
or a little bit after,
John and his girlfriend
came out running.
I mean, they came out running.
And just happened to be
a taxi they waved down.
So Gabriel left them?
He left them.
He surely left them.
They must have told this taxi driver
they'd give him extra money,
because he was driving
like a bat out of hell.
I mean, he was flying.
They made the flight.
[DRAMATIC MUSIC]
Absolutely feel like he slipped
right through my fingertips,
because we were so confident
that he would at least get
called in for questioning.
It's very deflating.
Of course I'm disappointed,
but I'm not surprised.
I've been down this road too many times
to get my hopes up.
If this turns out to be a hoax,
then that's a very sick person.
But, you know, his time will come.
There'll be some tough
times for that guy.
You saw what happened
to Joran van der Sloot.
He's serving 28 years at a
horrible, horrible prison.
He's living in horrible conditions.
Inside his cell, his bed,
a mattress on a slab of cement.
His sink and toilet,
little more than a hole in the floor.
There's no electricity, no
heat, no air conditioning.
It's just brick walls and bars.
And he said in the wintertime,
it gets down below freezing.
If you don't have a roommate
that you can snuggle up with,
you'll freeze to death.
Even though it's not
for Natalee's justice,
but just knowing the fact
that he's behind bars
in a very difficult environment
gives you some sense of satisfaction.
That was part of the
healing process for us,
just knowing he was locked
up in a horrible prison.
That gave us some closure.
His sentence was 28 years.
So it's been seven now,
so he's got 21 more to go.
And after 21 years, he'll
come to the United States
to face those extortion charges,
where he faces up to 50 years.
So, according to the FBI,
he'll never get out
of the prison system.
But, you know, that still
does not resolve the issue
of, you know, where's Natalee?
What did they do with her?
And what exactly happened?
We are here in the Sarasota office
of the Florida FBI office.
And John is gonna do the right thing.
We are here in the Sarasota office
of the Florida FBI office.
And John is gonna do the right thing.
My f ing heart is pounding.
Huh?
Heart's pounding.
You need to relax, man.
It's gonna be okay.
You just need to relax.
Okay, today is Sunday March 26, 2017.
I'm here with John Ludwig.
You're here on your own accord?
- Yes.
- You know I'm recording it.
You know I'm filming it, okay.
And I hope that you'll
be truthful to me,
what your involvement
is and what you know,
what Joran van der Sloot told you,
- okay?
- Okay.
How long have you known
Joran van der Sloot?
Since 2010, February,
when his dad died and
he moved back to Aruba.
- Okay.
- I was living there
at the time.
And we happened to just run into

 

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each other at a gas station.
Why were you in Aruba?
- My aunt has a house there
- Okay.
So I was taking care of the property.
And she had a real estate company there.
Okay, what did he tell you
about Natalee Holloway?
I never approached him on my own
about what happened to
Natalee, blah-blah-blah.
- Okay.
- Because I honestly
wanted to be a friend.
And he eventually confided in me.
Tell me what you know
or what he told you
about Natalee Holloway.
The first night he ever
opened up about it,
about the May 30th night,
was, we were at my house one night,
and the Lifetime movie came on.
So we watched it.
And throughout the movie,
they're doing different
things and stuff,
and he started telling
me, "That's bullsh"
That's not even true."
He was picking the movie apart,
telling me, "Yeah, that's true."
That's bogus, that's
true, that's bogus."
So that's how he started talking to me.
Eventually, after the
movie ended that night,
he started talking about it
and said, "You know, John,
I want you to know"
"that bad things happen to good people.
Accidents happen."
So what happened?
I know he shared with you
about him meeting Natalee.
There was all her
friends were there too
- Yeah.
- When they were
at Carlos'n Charlie's.
He had a system where
he'd give friends money
to help him pick girls up.
Okay, he tell you they
put drugs in her drink?
Specifically, that night, he
didn't say, "I roofied her."
But basically he said
that the combination
of stuff she was on,
"If they think we had sex and stuff
and they tested her,"
it could make it look like
he tried to rape her.
Okay.
Where'd he take Natalee that night?
I'm not sure exactly where he took her.
But I know that he said, "I had help",
and it wasn't Deepak and Satish."
- Who helped him?
- He never said Paulus' name,
but he implied it was his father.
So, after something happened
to her on the beach,
he called Paulus?
- Yes.
- And then what happened?
I guess Paulus came
and helped him figure out
how to get rid of evidence.
What did they do to get rid of Natalee?
In detail.
Um
Oh, man.
He said his dad helped him cover it up.
- Huh?
- His dad helped him cover it up.
Where did they take the body
after they got her off the beach?
His dad got everything disposed of.
I believe before sunrise, that they
Where'd they take her?
There's a cul-de-sac there
on the top of the hill.
It's desert area, cactuses
and thorn bushes.
And nobody goes up there.
The only house in view
wouldn't be able to stumble upon them.
But it's kind of like
a mound of boulders.
Not a mountain, but probably, like,
maybe 10
about 10, 12 feet tall?
And shaped kind of like
this, with big boulders.
Okay.
Could you pick that spot out again?
Okay, let's talk about 2010.
Okay?
Do you remember what night it was
that he asked you to get involved
after he's told you all
about what was going on?
It was in the timeframe
that he had just
The news was talking about
how he gave some confession,
saying he threw her in a barge.
And then some tourists found
some jawbone on a beach.
And then some other set of tourists
that were scuba diving
took what they thought was a photo
of a skeleton on the ocean floor,
but they were never
able to find that area.
So he was getting paranoid
about new searches starting back up.
Okay.
At what point in time did he ask you
and tell you about doing something
with the remains of Natalee Holloway?
What did he want you to do?
Well, he knew I was heavily
hooked on heroin at the time,
and I didn't have the resources
to keep it up daily.
So he said, "I'll give you
$1,500 for your help."
Did he, in fact, give you $1,500?
- Yes, he did.
- Okay.
Did you go by yourself?
Under his instruction
Did he go with you?
No, because he was
I want you to think about that.
Did he go with you to
dig the remains up?
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Did he go with you and
to dig the remains up?
Yes.
Did he go with you?
- Yes.
- He went with you, okay.
And y'all went out to his
place up on the hill
in the subdivision.
What time did you go out there,
in the early morning
hours or late at night?
It was right at sunrise, really.
Barely able to see.
All right, so y'all went out there
and got the remains, okay.
And what happened?
The burlap sack was
wrapped in a blue tarp.
So it was kind of keeping stuff
from seeping out, basically.
Did you open it up?
- Did you look in there?
- Yeah.
Okay, what'd you see?
Very messy-looking.
Like, blackish, brown
dried, like, matter.
How did you feel?
I'm serious.
How did you feel when you saw that?
I almost threw up right away,
just from the gas, the odor.
It took me aback.
What were you thinking
when that happened?
What were you thinking?
And Joran is there with you too.
So what are you thinking?
That I knew I wasn't
there when she died,
and I'm not responsible for the death.
There's nothing I can do with that.
All I can do at this point
was to try to prove my friendship.
Where did you take her?
Where'd you take the remains?
To my property.
To your aunt's house?
Originally, he had discussed
getting it cremated,
but at that time, it wasn't legal.
But apparently some places
would do it for pets.
And what'd you do?
The idea was to crush everything
to the point where it's not recognizable
as arm bones or skull
or anything like that.
Did you do something with the remains
before you broke them up?
Or did you do something with the remains
after you broke them up?
Did you burn them?
The only thing that got
burnt was the skull,
to burn the hair fibers.
It was doused in gasoline
in a fire pit in a cave.
And where was the fire pit?
In the cave.
In the cave on your aunt's property?
No, it's about 150 yards
to the right of my aunt's
property in the desert.
When did you do this?
The same night that you
went out and got it?
Or did you wait?
- It all happened in one day.
- The same night?
It was recovered at daybreak,
and these things
happened during the day.
And then, by that night,
it was disposed of.
Okay, then what did y'all do after that?
Pummeled it throughout a few hours.
What'd you do with the
remains after that?
What was left?
We paid a local fisherman
to borrow his boat for the night.
Okay.
Let me ask you a real
sensitive question.
How do you feel today about
Dave Holloway, Beth Holloway?
I feel bad that if I had an opportunity
for them to uncover the remains,
that I let that slip through the cracks,
and now they're never gonna
be able to bury her.
I was obsessed with my
friendship at the time.
I understand.
And I was under the influence
of heroin at the time.
And I want you to think differently
about how you would feel
if this happened to you.
- I will.
- Okay?
If the Aruban authorities
want to know what happened,
are you gonna be honest with them
and tell them what happened,
as you told me today?
- Would you tell them the truth?
- Yes.
FEMALE NARRATOR: For more information on
"The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway,"
go to oxygen.com

 

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real estate rental companies aruba
https://www.google.ca/search?q=real...8!3d12.509217115021051!3m2!1i521!2i245!4f13.1

 

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Topography
http://en-us.topographic-map.com/places/Aruba-2895705/

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Sat Map w/ ruler
http://google-maps.pro/satellite/Aruba#12.510029,-69.968331,17

 

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Ya The Aunt's house is right there
The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway: Looking
for the Crime Scene - Sneak Peek (Season 1)
Oxygen




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http://google-maps.pro/satellite/Aruba#12.509600,-69.966274,17
[video=youtube;DeoT7rU9laQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeoT7rU9laQ[/video]
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UycxoOf18K0



The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway: The Pet Cemetery (Season 1, Episode 6) | Oxygen

 

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If true than did this John character say how Natalee died?

 

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If true than did this John character say how Natalee died?

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Thank You Tadpole12 for your wonderful transcripts your amazing It started as a OD but I feel their may be more to this