Aruba - Natalee Holloway, 18, Oranjestad, 30 May 2005 #2
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True. How many times has JV story changed his story over the years? Too many to count. If she OD why not call 911 or finally tell the truth. He probably killed SF same way he killed Natalee. I think he has a serious violent temper. Dad probably knew this. He could say anything Natalee is not here to dispute it. Has this guy John and Gabriel done a polygraph?
Gabriel's video chat, Sept 21, 2017
They gave me money for John.
-35:10
What, well John is texting me right now
John leave me alone
John is going through a lot right now
he just texted me
Anyways he's okay
John's okay
But he's, I just, I just
got his text right now
that's, we're live
....
John original story was with VDS, is that,
say that we burned the body.
Not the skull, you guys get it all confused
What the original story was
the day when they brung the body down
I mean before they brung the body down
and they were in the Aunt's rental property, alright
There's two houses - two -
The Aunt's actual house
and the Aunt's rental property
because she owned real estate
I mean she managed real estate down there
so there's two houses
Everybodys getting confused
The Aunt's house, is where I found the remains.
The Aunt's house.
The rental property is where she was bashed up
to pieces
She was, with a sledge hammer
She was broken in pieces
on the Aunt's rental property
There's two houses so, uhm
Their first story before they even started doing anything
They uhm, they said look VDS goes,
'why don't we just say that, you know
if something happens
That if we get caught or whatever
That I burned the remains
I went to grab my Aunt, my dog
and I gave it to you and you
went to the crematory'
You know at the time they were not doing that but
they were doing for dogs
'And you know we burned up,
we got the ashes, and then
we threw her in the ocean'
That was a total, total lie
which, I don't understand why in the hell they
just kept it away from everybody
But they did say it was a lie
So I'm saying
because they already put it out there, kinda
So the second thing is.
everybodys asking, how did TJ get the bones
Okay, remember what I said
The second time we were in Aruba,
see they haven't even showed the second time
we were there, so I'm not going to say
where she was buried
After Saturday, I will tell you guys exactly
where she was
she was above ground
but how she was,
where everybody missed it
I'm going to explain to you guys
and show you guys, kinda
Uhm, how did TJ get the bones
okay, well TJ grabbed the bones,
Again, after I found, like you guys seen on
like on that thing
I showed all the bones
All thoses bones are exactly the same ones
because I took pictures,
prior to giving them to Aruba authorities, prior
Now did the Aruba authorities ever treat me disrespectfully?
Uh, not really
I was really I was respected pretty good
one guy said
"You need to stop posting bull****"
I'm like "no, 'cause this is true
what the truth hurt's bro?"
I said right in front of Richardson
and Richardson just laughed
'Cause I, I didn't back off.
You know I didn't back off.....
[Took the bones, April 25th.]
@-24:34
So, now uhm what's going to happen
towards the six episode
are they going to show everything else
I mean they still got to show where
she was buried,
uhm they got to show my video
they got to show other stuff
that I released to them
I don't know if they gonna
if they are or not
They got too much
I just don't get it
I just don't see
how they're gonna crunch everything up
Are they gonna
they're probably gonna have a lot of pieces out of there
Uhm, but if they do, you know
I signed a release that, that
crooked TJ made me sign
Uhm, no, well, I
when I sold my video,
I liscensed, sorry, I liscensed my video
to them,
the one I found Natalee,
uhm, for six months
For six months, only.
So, after six months,
I can do my own thing.
I can do my own thing
and show people exactly what happened.
Exactly what happened, I mean I could talk
about everything else but you guys want to know
the video and
now if they show the video
then I can work
on showing everybody what actually happened......
......and uhm again
They're not going to give these results until ....
October the 5th or the 6th
They're going to go ahead and release it
I mean, ya they should of done it this week
But I think they screwed up somewhere
I'm not going to tell you guys
but they screwed up
doing the test, 'Cause I know
haha I know
a birdy told me
That's all I'm gonna say
I can't say.
....
End of video 'admits' to showing TJ wrong location
and claims to have physically assaulted John Ludwick.
They gave me money for John.
-35:10
What, well John is texting me right now
John leave me alone
John is going through a lot right now
he just texted me
Anyways he's okay
John's okay
But he's, I just, I just
got his text right now
that's, we're live
....
John original story was with VDS, is that,
say that we burned the body.
Not the skull, you guys get it all confused
What the original story was
the day when they brung the body down
I mean before they brung the body down
and they were in the Aunt's rental property, alright
There's two houses - two -
The Aunt's actual house
and the Aunt's rental property
because she owned real estate
I mean she managed real estate down there
so there's two houses
Everybodys getting confused
The Aunt's house, is where I found the remains.
The Aunt's house.
The rental property is where she was bashed up
to pieces
She was, with a sledge hammer
She was broken in pieces
on the Aunt's rental property
There's two houses so, uhm
Their first story before they even started doing anything
They uhm, they said look VDS goes,
'why don't we just say that, you know
if something happens
That if we get caught or whatever
That I burned the remains
I went to grab my Aunt, my dog
and I gave it to you and you
went to the crematory'
You know at the time they were not doing that but
they were doing for dogs
'And you know we burned up,
we got the ashes, and then
we threw her in the ocean'
That was a total, total lie
which, I don't understand why in the hell they
just kept it away from everybody
But they did say it was a lie
So I'm saying
because they already put it out there, kinda
So the second thing is.
everybodys asking, how did TJ get the bones
Okay, remember what I said
The second time we were in Aruba,
see they haven't even showed the second time
we were there, so I'm not going to say
where she was buried
After Saturday, I will tell you guys exactly
where she was
she was above ground
but how she was,
where everybody missed it
I'm going to explain to you guys
and show you guys, kinda
Uhm, how did TJ get the bones
okay, well TJ grabbed the bones,
Again, after I found, like you guys seen on
like on that thing
I showed all the bones
All thoses bones are exactly the same ones
because I took pictures,
prior to giving them to Aruba authorities, prior
Now did the Aruba authorities ever treat me disrespectfully?
Uh, not really
I was really I was respected pretty good
one guy said
"You need to stop posting bull****"
I'm like "no, 'cause this is true
what the truth hurt's bro?"
I said right in front of Richardson
and Richardson just laughed
'Cause I, I didn't back off.
You know I didn't back off.....
[Took the bones, April 25th.]
@-24:34
So, now uhm what's going to happen
towards the six episode
are they going to show everything else
I mean they still got to show where
she was buried,
uhm they got to show my video
they got to show other stuff
that I released to them
I don't know if they gonna
if they are or not
They got too much
I just don't get it
I just don't see
how they're gonna crunch everything up
Are they gonna
they're probably gonna have a lot of pieces out of there
Uhm, but if they do, you know
I signed a release that, that
crooked TJ made me sign
Uhm, no, well, I
when I sold my video,
I liscensed, sorry, I liscensed my video
to them,
the one I found Natalee,
uhm, for six months
For six months, only.
So, after six months,
I can do my own thing.
I can do my own thing
and show people exactly what happened.
Exactly what happened, I mean I could talk
about everything else but you guys want to know
the video and
now if they show the video
then I can work
on showing everybody what actually happened......
......and uhm again
They're not going to give these results until ....
October the 5th or the 6th
They're going to go ahead and release it
I mean, ya they should of done it this week
But I think they screwed up somewhere
I'm not going to tell you guys
but they screwed up
doing the test, 'Cause I know
haha I know
a birdy told me
That's all I'm gonna say
I can't say.
....
End of video 'admits' to showing TJ wrong location
and claims to have physically assaulted John Ludwick.
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Because there are more remains hidden in Aruba in a box. G wants to get them but only John knows for sure where they are.
G thinks he might be able to figure it out but has no money to go back to Aruba.
My thought is on October 6th
TJ will tell us the results if they are 100% Natalee's .It will be over, I hope
I'm sure someone will help G get to Aruba to get the rest of her maybe a News station someone who has money because it's going to be expensive.
Or TJ Ward is going to say there were not enough of the bone fragments left they need more. for positive testing <snip>
[FONT="]The DNA discovered, says Kolowski, is mitochondrial, which takes longer than nuclear DNA to test. He anticipates testing will be fully complete sometime in September. According to Kolowski, the remains consist of multiple bone fragments and he says there’s no way to determine gender with mitochondrial DNA. “We are in the dark as to whether these remains are male or female, genetically,” he says.
[/FONT]http://www.oxygen.com/the-disappearance-of-natalee-holloway/blogs/dna-testing-proves-bones-from-natalee-holloway-search
So TJ can make more money on Season 2 on the Oxygen show. JMO
G thinks he might be able to figure it out but has no money to go back to Aruba.
My thought is on October 6th
TJ will tell us the results if they are 100% Natalee's .It will be over, I hope
I'm sure someone will help G get to Aruba to get the rest of her maybe a News station someone who has money because it's going to be expensive.
Or TJ Ward is going to say there were not enough of the bone fragments left they need more. for positive testing <snip>
[FONT="]The DNA discovered, says Kolowski, is mitochondrial, which takes longer than nuclear DNA to test. He anticipates testing will be fully complete sometime in September. According to Kolowski, the remains consist of multiple bone fragments and he says there’s no way to determine gender with mitochondrial DNA. “We are in the dark as to whether these remains are male or female, genetically,” he says.
[/FONT]http://www.oxygen.com/the-disappearance-of-natalee-holloway/blogs/dna-testing-proves-bones-from-natalee-holloway-search
So TJ can make more money on Season 2 on the Oxygen show. JMO
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YES this is what I was told also So as Natalee was laying there, they,
he goes on the computer and he's,
wants to find out, you know, how, if she's that drunk, can she die. what if ... she overdose.
But she was not dead, she was still alive,
She still had a pulse, at the time.
...Trying to get her medical attention would surely lead to an investigation. That's what Paulus told van der Sloot, his son.
And with GHB in her system and Joran being the last one she was seen with and his dna and his father's dna may be found on her,left them with one solution one solution and one solution only:
Make her disappear.
She was then smothered, she was still alive.
She was smothered. She was basically killed.
She was smothered by Paulus.
He went ahead and put his hand over her mouth, and nose.
At the point she could barely had a pulse, so then, so she never felt it coming.
Then they had to fold her body in half to fit her in a burlap.
The burlap sack was concealed within a blue tarp.
Then, they then hid her body in a location Aruba Desert,
just before dawn on May 30 2005.
That is where she remained until Spring 2010 when Joran had enlisted my help.
Do you think John was there I remember Beth saying when she got to the VDS home their were a lot of people there and maybe one american boy?
he goes on the computer and he's,
wants to find out, you know, how, if she's that drunk, can she die. what if ... she overdose.
But she was not dead, she was still alive,
She still had a pulse, at the time.
...Trying to get her medical attention would surely lead to an investigation. That's what Paulus told van der Sloot, his son.
And with GHB in her system and Joran being the last one she was seen with and his dna and his father's dna may be found on her,left them with one solution one solution and one solution only:
Make her disappear.
She was then smothered, she was still alive.
She was smothered. She was basically killed.
She was smothered by Paulus.
He went ahead and put his hand over her mouth, and nose.
At the point she could barely had a pulse, so then, so she never felt it coming.
Then they had to fold her body in half to fit her in a burlap.
The burlap sack was concealed within a blue tarp.
Then, they then hid her body in a location Aruba Desert,
just before dawn on May 30 2005.
That is where she remained until Spring 2010 when Joran had enlisted my help.
Do you think John was there I remember Beth saying when she got to the VDS home their were a lot of people there and maybe one american boy?
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YES this is what I was told also So as Natalee was laying there, they,
he goes on the computer and he's,
wants to find out, you know, how, if she's that drunk, can she die. what if ... she overdose.
But she was not dead, she was still alive,
She still had a pulse, at the time.
...Trying to get her medical attention would surely lead to an investigation. That's what Paulus told van der Sloot, his son.
And with GHB in her system and Joran being the last one she was seen with and his dna and his father's dna may be found on her,left them with one solution one solution and one solution only:
Make her disappear.
She was then smothered, she was still alive.
She was smothered. She was basically killed.
She was smothered by Paulus.
He went ahead and put his hand over her mouth, and nose.
At the point she could barely had a pulse, so then, so she never felt it coming.
Then they had to fold her body in half to fit her in a burlap.
The burlap sack was concealed within a blue tarp.
Then, they then hid her body in a location Aruba Desert,
just before dawn on May 30 2005.
That is where she remained until Spring 2010 when Joran had enlisted my help.
Do you think John was there I remember Beth saying when she got to the VDS home their were a lot of people there and maybe one american boy?
he goes on the computer and he's,
wants to find out, you know, how, if she's that drunk, can she die. what if ... she overdose.
But she was not dead, she was still alive,
She still had a pulse, at the time.
...Trying to get her medical attention would surely lead to an investigation. That's what Paulus told van der Sloot, his son.
And with GHB in her system and Joran being the last one she was seen with and his dna and his father's dna may be found on her,left them with one solution one solution and one solution only:
Make her disappear.
She was then smothered, she was still alive.
She was smothered. She was basically killed.
She was smothered by Paulus.
He went ahead and put his hand over her mouth, and nose.
At the point she could barely had a pulse, so then, so she never felt it coming.
Then they had to fold her body in half to fit her in a burlap.
The burlap sack was concealed within a blue tarp.
Then, they then hid her body in a location Aruba Desert,
just before dawn on May 30 2005.
That is where she remained until Spring 2010 when Joran had enlisted my help.
Do you think John was there I remember Beth saying when she got to the VDS home their were a lot of people there and maybe one american boy?
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I don't believe Pauls killed her I think Joran did it he's is the one who always had anger issues look what he did to Stephany Flores
Dead men can't talk blame it on Palus (daddy)
Do any of you think Pauls raped her too hmm
I don't know if he was that much of a piece of crap like Joran
Dead men can't talk blame it on Palus (daddy)
Do any of you think Pauls raped her too hmm
I don't know if he was that much of a piece of crap like Joran
Do you think John was there I remember Beth saying when she got to the VDS home their were a lot of people there and maybe one american boy? - BB
TY Blonde Babe!
You've prompted a vague flashback of this event.
Yes. I do believe this occurred.
.....................................
from google USA passport for how many years =
If your US passport was issued when you were 16 years old or older, your passport is valid for 10 years. If your US passport was issued when you were 15 years old or younger,
your passport is valid for 5 years.
.......................
G claims, having seen JL's passport,
that JL's first visit to Aruba was in 2009, iirc
So did JL turn 32 this year?
http://www.crimeonline.com/2017/09/...ound-in-search-for-natalee-holloway-released/
SEE IT: Photos of remains found in search for Natalee Holloway released
September 21, 2017
(see photo)
"Oxygen has released photos of bone fragments that may belong to missing Natalee Hollway,
who disappeared on a high school graduation trip to Aruba in 2005.
On Thursday, Oxygen.com shared images of bone fragments found at a burial site in Aruba
while Natalee’s family anxiously awaits DNA testing results
Dr. Jason Kolowski, the forensic scientist leading the effort to identify the remains, told Oxygen.com
that the DNA testing process has been prolonged because the bone fragments do not contain any
nuclear DNA, which is passed on by both parents. These fragments only have mitochondrial DNA present,
which comes exclusively from a person’s mother. But the scientists have obtained a reference sample from Natalee’s mother Beth Holloway.
“Beth’s would be exactly the same as Natalee’s or any of Beth’s other children,” Dr. Kolowski told Oxygen.
to determine if those fragments came from her."
SEE IT: Photos of remains found in search for Natalee Holloway released
September 21, 2017
(see photo)
"Oxygen has released photos of bone fragments that may belong to missing Natalee Hollway,
who disappeared on a high school graduation trip to Aruba in 2005.
On Thursday, Oxygen.com shared images of bone fragments found at a burial site in Aruba
while Natalee’s family anxiously awaits DNA testing results
Dr. Jason Kolowski, the forensic scientist leading the effort to identify the remains, told Oxygen.com
that the DNA testing process has been prolonged because the bone fragments do not contain any
nuclear DNA, which is passed on by both parents. These fragments only have mitochondrial DNA present,
which comes exclusively from a person’s mother. But the scientists have obtained a reference sample from Natalee’s mother Beth Holloway.
“Beth’s would be exactly the same as Natalee’s or any of Beth’s other children,” Dr. Kolowski told Oxygen.
to determine if those fragments came from her."
(see photo)
oxygen natalee holloway bone fragments
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oxygen natalee holloway bone fragments
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http://www.oxygen.com/sites/nbcuoxy...public/bone-fragment-c-640x.jpg?itok=X5U4f_iA
http://www.oxygen.com/sites/nbcuoxy...-1800x.jpg?itok=9VDMlkdV×tamp=1506011365
http://www.oxygen.com/sites/nbcuoxy...public/bone-fragment-b-640x.jpg?itok=UDxwk59n
long bones
human bones fragments
https://www.google.ca/search?biw=941&bih=390&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=human+bones+fragments&oq=human+bones+fragments&gs_l=psy-ab.3...121151.121151.0.123083.1.1.0.0.0.0.73.73.1.1.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.o7aRE9hJ8pw
bone shaft identification
https://bonebroke.org/2013/06/21/feeling-shafted-tips-for-identifying-humeral-shaft-fragments/
human bones fragments
https://www.google.ca/search?biw=941&bih=390&tbm=isch&sa=1&q=human+bones+fragments&oq=human+bones+fragments&gs_l=psy-ab.3...121151.121151.0.123083.1.1.0.0.0.0.73.73.1.1.0....0...1.1.64.psy-ab..0.0.0....0.o7aRE9hJ8pw
bone shaft identification
https://bonebroke.org/2013/06/21/feeling-shafted-tips-for-identifying-humeral-shaft-fragments/
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I don't know why but, I remember Beth saying she saw a American boy at the VDS house that night she arrived to Aruba ..
Looking at her book now can't find it.
Anyone remember this?
I'm just wondering if it was John I know G said no.. Passports don't lie but John L does.
If his aunt lived in Aruba don't you think it's a coincidence that Natalee is buried at Johns aunts house that Pauls & Joran berried her there because he was supposedly watching over a friends property?
Was the Aunt his friend and was John there..
Why did Pauls trust Joran with this info he's always talking ****
Is this is all a remarkable coincidence or a well planned scheme ..Thoughts please
Looking at her book now can't find it.
Anyone remember this?
I'm just wondering if it was John I know G said no.. Passports don't lie but John L does.
If his aunt lived in Aruba don't you think it's a coincidence that Natalee is buried at Johns aunts house that Pauls & Joran berried her there because he was supposedly watching over a friends property?
Was the Aunt his friend and was John there..
Why did Pauls trust Joran with this info he's always talking ****
Is this is all a remarkable coincidence or a well planned scheme ..Thoughts please
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I looked in my copy of Beth's book. No, JL wasn't there. There is one she describes as a blonde, who is Joran.
She describes..." Deepak Kalpoe, Joran, The Aruban police, Paulus,Jug, Jodi,Mat,Ruffner, the coach, and I wait for the DEA agent to arrive"
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On Gabriel's FB page- This is a scam started by some woman in Tennessee. Gabe knew nothing about it and is suggesting that people block her.
It's near the top of his page.
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100006046668726&hc_location=ufi
It's near the top of his page.
https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100006046668726&hc_location=ufi
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