Aruba - Natalee Holloway, 18, Oranjestad, 30 May 2005 #2

[HollyG]

Having John & Gabriel arrested is what TJ was saying. (he's the private investigator hired by Oxygen) Gabe won't work with TJ anymore after that last trip. If all of this about VDS & John turns out to be true then Gabe is the one that alerted Natalee's family that John (his former roommate) was shooting his mouth off and had information about the case. I can't see that Gabe has done anything wrong. But TJ seems like he's grandstanding and trying to justify his fees paid by Oxygen. But according to Gabe, TJ has added nothing to the case.

 

[HollyG]

Gabe said on his FB video that he did receive some money from Oxygen, but not that much. He said Holloway wouldn't have been able to mount this search if Oxygen hadn't provided the financial means.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

IMO, the man who allegedly helped Joran dig up Natalie's body to be cremated is lying. On the video he was asked about the quantity of Natalie's ashes. He gestured to a size of about 3 gallons which proves he's never had any contact with human cremated remains or he'd know human bodies don't produce such a ridiculously huge amount of ashes.

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

http://www.oxygen.com/the-disappear...forensic-scientist-whos-helping-in-the-search

Meet The Forensic Scientist Who’s Helping In The Search For Natale Holloway’s Remains
September 8, 2017

Dr. Jason Kolowski explains how he traveled to Aruba to help identify potential burial sites and how he's testing the DNA of discovered bone fragments for a possible match to Natalee Holloway.

"According to John, a burlap bag contained blonde hair and there was a musty odor. When he pulled the bag up there was some dark fluid that settled back into the ground. “Everything that is described as far as the disinterment of the remains in 2010 fits with what we would expect for the normal decomposition of a human body, especially in this type of environment and this type of a locale,” says Dr. Kolowski.
Perhaps more enticing for TJ Ward, Dr. Kolowski says: “Every contact leaves a trace. That’s a mantra. That’s a tenet within forensic science, and we are always going to be able to go back and find something, something left behind to help us identify that missing individual.”
Dr. Kolowski’s tenet may prove to be accurate."

If I am correct, the cadaver dog, Chance, is a somewhat "famous" cadaver dog and is known to be very accurate. It doesn't make sense that Chance couldn't find the exact burial spot (shown in Saturday's show). A few years ago, there was a cadaver dogs that alerted on Civil War remains, but Chance couldn't find the area with the hole that was previously filled with lots of dark human fluid?

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

Here is an old National Geographic article discussing Chance the talented cadaver dog.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/10/1310xx-working-dog-dead-body-cat-warren-science/

 

[Gunslinging Granny]

John the heroin addict chewed bitter oleander leaves to try to commit suicide? He's a heroin addict, fgs! He could end his life with heroin. Lies, lies, and more lies.
'

 

[Barb Wire]

John in the psychiatric ward right now most likely over his girlfriend's nude photo with another guy that she sent him. Haha
That threw him over the edge.
Nothing to do about remorse for what he & Joran did to Natalee remains.
John & Joran are deranged and sick in the head but IMO that would be a compliment to John he gets off on being a sick sucker.
He thinks it funny he's made commets about bones now for years

 

[Barb Wire]

John lies every time he talks
I don't think he cremated her remains he took the money to do that but used it for drugs I know John & Joran burned them but from what I understand their is still a box of her remains in Aruba John know because he hid them there.
G thinks he can find them if it turns out to be Natalee but has no more funds to go to Aruba
If they are proven to be Natalee's remains.
I'm sure a news station would help him recover all of her and bring her back home, but they would need a lawyer and it would have to be done legally this would cost a small fortune

 

[Barb Wire]

I just saw this Gabriel Madrigal

3 hrs ·

#TEAMGABE Natalee Holloway case join me tonight at 10 pm

 

[Tadpole12]

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/mrw-productions-llc/crime-stories-with-nancy-grace/e/51557249

NG on latest events
mentions possibility of teeth remains
audio of JL, cremation story

G comments on his 'undercover'
bones were first tested as one sample,
now bones being tested individually


Episode Info
The latest installment in Oxygen's docuseries "The Disappearance of Natalee
Holloway" features an interrogation of John Ludwick, the man who claims he
helped suspected killer Joran van Der Sloot rebury the Alabama woman's
remains after burning and crushing her skull. Investigative reporter
Art Harris and forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan join Nancy Grace
in a discussion of the revelations.

 

[Tadpole12]

http://google-maps.pro/Aruba#O12.509713,-69.966078,18
OSM map Aruba water tank Urataka Hills

 

[Barb Wire]

John is hiding home with his parents he's out of the hospital he's a piece of s***

 

[Barb Wire]

there's a box of Natalie remains in Aruba but Gabriel can't get them without funding from a news station providing that they really are Natalee Holloway's and John didn't lie again about where he hid the Box of her bones sorry guys I'm on my phone

 

[MissLaura]

How many stories is John going to tell? Dave had it right, he's just like JVS.

This all seems like a wild goose chase.

 

[Tadpole12]

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/mrw-productions-llc/crime-stories-with-nancy-grace/e/51557249

JL at 35:40
@38:18
TJ: Where'd you take her remains?
JL: To my property
TJ: To your Aunts house? .....
TJ: did you burn them?....
And where was the fire pit?
JL: in the cave
TJ: On your Aunt's property?
JL: No, It's about 150 yards to the right
of my Aunt's property in the desert

 

[Tadpole12]

G's Sept 23 FB Live:
92/ -48:16
Initially NH,
G: She was under rocks,
it was a mountain, cactus, cacti
And she was basically put under rocks
under rocks, big boulders
And one of those boulders had like a little cave....
so they put her in her and then they put a lot of rocks
If you seen it from the top of the mountain
down you
could see where rocks were pushed down the hill
************************************************************

 

[Tadpole12]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uko93NvJQ8g



The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway: Producer Confidential
(Season1, Episode 6) | Oxygen


John Ludwick keeps some of NH's bones,
as a trophy?.

ziploc bag of bones pulled from concealment in side, hidden in
ground
of Aunt's house


G?: This is Natalee Holloway's ... part of remains

 

[Barb Wire]

[h=1]John Ludwick[/h]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_lvQHA90Bc&feature=youtu.be

 

[Tadpole12]

[video=youtube;qDzzLlhFMl4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDzzLlhFMl4&spfreload=10[/video]

Natalie Holloway has been found....
.
Lynn Hindman
/ Published on May 10, 2017

****************************
Hey, this is John Ludwick
You've probably know me
as JVS's friend
I've been on ah NG
a number of times
over the years

And ah, well just want to let
you guys know that
everyone doesn't know it yet but
the case has actually been solved

I've been down there 3 times
in the last month and a half

And we, ah, got accomplished a lot
A couple times I went down with
privaye investigator, TJ Ward
and Dave Holloway

and ah they were doing a documentary
that I was a part of but ah
suppossed to show them that
certain locations and things like that

But ah
I didn't ah get the proper compensation
I was promissed when I got there
So, ah, ah, they got cut out of the loop
for basically

and I went a third time with my friend Gabe
who's been working on me for about 5 years
trying com, get me to come clean

So I finally had, did and
We went on a secret mission down there
and we covered our own evidence
Without TJ Ward
Tagging along this time

And umh we brought
we got that
taken care of

But, uhm,
you know you c
I know a lot more than what's been said

But, uhm, I'm not going to get into that
at this moment

But, uh,
I'm willing to talk about it
if I'm reached out to
by the, by the right people

But, uh,
so hopefully we can get this ah
case finally solved

 

[FlossyMay]

This is all so very strange.