Aruba - Natalee Holloway, 18, Oranjestad, 30 May 2005 #2

[thenotebook]

I'm very anxious for the DNA results to come back and give answers to Dave and his family. Enough of this Gabriel and John circus. Bits and pieces keep coming out after the fact and it's all so strange.

 

[Whiteorchids]

I'm very anxious for the DNA results to come back and give answers to Dave and his family. Enough of this Gabriel and John circus. Bits and pieces keep coming out after the fact and it's all so strange.

Strange as long as I've been a member on WS I don't ever recall an exact day DNA results would be announced. I believe this is all about media hype and attract attention for this show and ratings.

 

[Barb Wire]

"Strange as long as I've been a member on WS I don't ever recall an exact day DNA results would be announced. I believe this is all about media hype and attract attention for this show and ratings."
I defiantly believe it was all about the rating for the show and that sucks.

 

[Barb Wire]

I learned today that Aruba did not even require a passport prior to 2007. So we really don't know for sure if John Ludwick was there in 2005 - 2009......interesting

 

[Tadpole12]

Gabriel Madrigal
Sept 26 2017
1 hr ·

-1:05:19


***************************************
In the 3 nights previous to leaving for Aruba
G had dreams with NH in them
her greeting G and indicating location
by side of the Aunt's house


[G says he made JL strip down for a body search
in hotel room, during the 'solo' 3rd visit to Aruba,
before they went back to Aunt's house,
and subsequently found bone evidence]


Qs
39:33
JL went back to Aruba, Oct 2011

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Gabriel Madrigal

1 hr ·
G FB LIVE Sept 28 2017

@-38:41
J was not there in 2005
Now, we have the report
when you go through immigration
You have to go through immigration
coming and leaving from the United States
especially in Aruba
We have the report that John
the first time he ever was in Aruba
was late, I'm talking about late
which it was November something 2009


@-25:44
G: And J kept bones
that fell off the burlap
when he threw them away
Well I can't really say more
because that's a video
I wish I showed you guys the video
Oxygen never did ...

 

[Barb Wire]

My girlfriend went to Aruba she said she didn't have to show anything but a license in 2005 when Natalie disappeared she went to help to find her. She went a few times and she's never had to get a passport or paperwork just her license. I find this very odd I don't know who to believe

 

[Barb Wire]

G is upset Aruba did not even require a passport prior to 2007. So we really don't know for sure if John Ludwick was there in 2005 - 2009......interesting
''J was not there in 2005
Now, we have the report
when you go through immigration
You have to go through immigration
coming and leaving from the United States
especially in Aruba
We have the report that John
the first time he ever was in Aruba
was late, I'm talking about late
which it was November something 2009"

I'm starting to think there is something wrong here something about 2005

 

[Dushi]

My girlfriend went to Aruba she said she didn't have to show anything but a license in 2005 when Natalie disappeared she went to help to find her. She went a few times and she's never had to get a passport or paperwork just her license. I find this very odd I don't know who to believe[/QUOTE

I remember traveling to a lot of places without a passport
That is the way it used to be

When you entered Aruba, you had to fill out a visitors card
You returned that upon departure

 

[Barb Wire]

So why is G getting so upset when you bring up 2005?
John very well could have been the person Joran called that night for help look the Documentary with Peter R De Vries Joran says he called a friend

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"You have to go through immigration
coming and leaving from the United States
especially in Aruba
We have the report that John
the first time he ever was in Aruba
was late, I'm talking about late
which it was November something 2009"

I'm starting to think there is something wrong here something about 2005"

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  Its in the documentary of Peter R de Vries with a hidden camera.

 

[Tadpole12]

BB ty for the info
Yes, sensitive issue with G
Speculative,
but as long as JL's Aunt owned property in Aruba
JL would have had occasion to visit?
Also, G's teaser that JL returned to Aruba
in 2011, for dubious reasons, perhaps or
was his return related to his Aunt's property,
sale, maintenance?


Is the Aunt's obit posted at SM?
(?BJL died July 29, 2010?)

 

[Tadpole12]

https://www.tripadvisor.ca/ShowTopi...Documents_needed_to_get_into_Aruba-Aruba.html

Yes up to, well into 2005?
yep just a drivers license and
birth certificate with a raised seal

 

[Tadpole12]

Natalee Holloway - Never forget
https://webcache.googleusercontent....r_forget-Aruba.html+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca
google cache

 

[Tadpole12]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnY2VbKFHcH9bMD0mD8X2bA




Well its up, as per request
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDzURm6JlEs

TUTU challenge John's Crazy adventures


[video=youtube;oDzURm6JlEsFeel]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDzURm6JlEsFeel[/video] the burn John's Crazy adventures

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Do I need a passport to travel to Aruba?
In most cases passports are required. Since June 1, 2009, all travelers from the US must present a Western Hemisphere Travel Initiative (WHTI) compliant document such as a passport or a passport card for re-entry to the United States. More information is available on our Aruba entry requirements and visas page...

https://www.visitaruba.com/category/5/view/all/getFaqList.html

 

[Whiteorchids]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnY2VbKFHcH9bMD0mD8X2bA




Well its up, as per request
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDzURm6JlEs

TUTU challenge John's Crazy adventures


[video=youtube;oDzURm6JlEsFeel]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDzURm6JlEsFeel[/video] the burn John's Crazy adventures

And the point of this is? This guy is strange and is obviously looking for a stupid show like Jackarse or was it a movie? I can't remember.

 

[Barb Wire]

John Ludwick was probably in Aruba in 2005, although there are no evidence yet. As in 2010 (and possibly in intermediate years), he lived in the summer with his aunt Mary Ellen Walter. So he lived more or less alone with his aunt, as Joran says in the documentary of Peter R. de Vries. The graduation at Intermont is always in early May, after which it is a holiday.
https://joransprakdewaarheid.blogspot.nl/2017/09/did-joran-speak-truth.html

 

[Barb Wire]

John Ludwick was probably in Aruba in 2005, although there are no evidence yet. As in 2010 (and possibly in intermediate years), he lived in the summer with his aunt Mary Ellen Walter. So he lived more or less alone with his aunt, as Joran says in the documentary of Peter R. de Vries. The graduation at Intermont is always in early May, after which it is a holiday.
https://joransprakdewaarheid.blogspot.nl/2017/09/did-joran-speak-truth.html

The pictures used at the top are mine I made screen shots of a old Aruba Bay video I thought it was Natalee in that bag

 

[Tadpole12]

https://joransprakdewaarheid.blogspot.ca/2017/09/did-joran-speak-truth.html

Did Joran speak the truth?
september 29, 2017


TY so much for posting this link.

 

[Tadpole12]

http://google-maps.pro/Aruba#O12.566200,-70.026139,17

So... If the Aunt's house is located on Alto Vista,
then I was was way off wrt the Urataka area?

Rather, the site is close to the Alto Vista water tank?


http://google-maps.pro/satellite/Aruba#12.566200,-70.026139,14

 

[Tadpole12]

route from Noord to Alto Vista

http://google-maps.pro/satellite/Aruba#12.570601,-70.029829,15