ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 1

[Dushi]

NG said tonight he had a weird fixation with the Natalee Holloway case. What is the chances that he was in Aruba when she went missing and possibly knew JVS

Oh I don't know
Guess i'd say the chances were slim

 

[laniefi]

Oh I don't know
Guess i'd say the chances were slim

Oh boy, more NG "BOMBSHELLS"....UGH :sick:

 

[Redgoblin]

Source: http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44187...le/t/images-woman-missing-aruba-found-camera/

"The camera contains “graphic and disturbing images” that are “beyond pornographic,’’ sources told NBC News"

That's an interesting source:

Aruba Solicitor General Taco Stein, who is leading the case, confirmed to TODAY’s Matt Lauer in an exclusive interview on Thursday that a camera has been confiscated, but would not comment on the specific nature of the photos on it. However, from what he understands, Gardner does not appear to be in danger in the photos.
“What I’ve heard about it is that there is no indication that there is talk of duress in the pictures,’’ Stein said.

So why, then did RF mentioned that, 'it's beyond pornography' as already been quoted in previous news items?

 

[HatesSociopaths]

A digital camera belonging to detained U.S. tourist Gary Giordano that was seized by Aruban authorities allegedly contains shocking images of travel companion Robyn Gardner, who is presumed dead by authorities after disappearing earlier this month.
The camera contains “graphic and disturbing images” that are “beyond pornographic,’’ sources told NBC News. The camera, along with Giordano’s cell phone and laptop, have been sent to the nearby island of Curacao for inspection by authorities.
Aruba Solicitor General Taco Stein, who is leading the case, confirmed to TODAY’s Matt Lauer in an exclusive interview on Thursday that a camera has been confiscated, but would not comment on the specific nature of the photos on it. However, from what he understands, Gardner does not appear to be in danger in the photos.
“What I’ve heard about it is that there is no indication that there is talk of duress in the pictures,’’ Stein said.

Giordano’s lawyer had no comment, as he reportedly has been told by Giordano that he will be fired if he appears on camera again speaking about the case.
Denial, not remorse

Giordano has allegedly been calm in his cell while being detained and has shown more anger over being implicated in Gardner’s presumed death than remorse over her disappearance.
“As far as I know, but as you say I haven’t been in direct contact with him, his demeanor is that he’s fighting these accusations,’’ Stein told Lauer Thrusday. “He is denying what has happened. Remorse is not in the textbook at the moment.’’

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44187...le/t/images-woman-missing-aruba-found-camera/

No remorse. This man reminds me of Ted Bundy as well Sunsetbeach.

 

[laniefi]

That's an interesting source:



So why, then did RF mentioned that, 'it's beyond pornography' as already been quoted in previous news items?

It must be too early - what are you trying to say?

 

[Redgoblin]

It must be too early - what are you trying to say?

If the pictures were not taken under duress, but were 'beyond pornography' she either:

A) Took part willingly.

B) Was drugged and took part unwillingly.

 

[laniefi]

If the pictures were not taken under duress, but were 'beyond pornography' she either:

A) Took part willingly

B) was drugged and took part unwillingly

AH, gotcha. I am leaning towards "B" due to some witness statements about her demeanor but who really knows....

 

[sunsetbeach]

This chick evidently AGREED to go on this Aruba trip with this weirdo after having a 1-1/2 year weird "affair" with him. QUOTE]




Actually last night on the Joy Behar Show there were two friends (both female, that I had never seen in the media) that said RG & GVG have been friends for over three years.

 

[Redgoblin]

AH, gotcha. I am leaning towards "B" due to some witness statements about her demeanor but who really knows....

Me too, I can understand now how RF and co, said 'It's beyond ' and then the media at a later date are saying she wasn't under duress, it makes sense to me that she was probably drugged. JMO.

 

[HatesSociopaths]

This chick evidently AGREED to go on this Aruba trip with this weirdo after having a 1-1/2 year weird "affair" with him. QUOTE]




Actually last night on the Joy Behar Show there were two friends (both female, that I had never seen in the media) that said RG & GVG have been friends for over three years.

Who was that lady? The one next to her was Reece, who posts on the find Robyn page on FB. The other lady was overweight and not from the same social circle that Christina, Reece and Robyn would have IMO.

ETA: In case that isn't clear I am not saying her weight is the only reason I think she is not in the same social circle as Reece, Christina and Robyn. She had a different type of personality as well.

 

[sunsetbeach]

Well I must say I got a charge out of finding out Aruba has no 5th amendment. GG has no right to silence in Aruba, anything he says may incriminate him and he's being interrogated 6 hours a day. Reported on GMA this morning.

A very large search for her is expected to take place on the southern part of the Island soon, maybe including military personnel.

BBM

Well all I can say to that report is: What the h3ll is the hold up? This full scale search should have happened yesterday or the day before that etc. ALE is wasting precious time!

 

[HatesSociopaths]

If the pictures were not taken under duress, but were 'beyond pornography' she either:

A) Took part willingly.

B) Was drugged and took part unwillingly.

C) Took part in the photos because Gary is into that and will get angry if she doesn't. She knew he was into that before getting on the plane.

MOO.

 

[sunsetbeach]

That's an interesting source:



So why, then did RF mentioned that, 'it's beyond pornography' as already been quoted in previous news items?

Redgoblin I'm lost. What are you talking about? I missed the morning news.

ETA: Sorry was behind but just saw your post above on this page.

 

[Dushi]

I am struggling to find a tactful way to say this...
She knew him for some time and just maybe she took part because she wanted to
They were both adults
Some adults play different than others
We probably will never know

 

[sunsetbeach]

Who was that lady? The one next to her was Reece, who posts on the find Robyn page on FB. The other lady was overweight and not from the same social circle that Christina, Reece and Robyn would have IMO.

I don't remember her name, I went to the shows website but the only video on there at the moment from last night is about the man from the reality show. Going to go check and see if Hulu posted last nights show.

 

[HatesSociopaths]

One thing I have wondered about is why he didn't wait until the trip was nearly over before killing her.

 

[Dushi]

It could have happened in an fit of anger
Perhaps he never meant to kill her, just scare her and lost all control

 

[laniefi]

One thing I have wondered about is why he didn't wait until the trip was nearly over before killing her.

and if his motives WERE purely physical with her and we now know something of a sexual nature went down IN Aruba, what made him so mad?

 

[sunsetbeach]

Nothing on Hulu.

Here's the transcript from last night's show ... http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/17/joy.01.html

HILL: Lianne, she described Gary Giordano as just a friend? There was nothing romantic that you got the sense from her?

DELAWTER: No. I mean, Gary -- she was over Gary. He was a friend. She`s -- it`s not -- the press keeps making it out that they had just met, and that`s not the truth. They have known each other for at least three, four years.

 

[Just-a-Guy]

I am struggling to find a tactful way to say this...
She knew him for some time and just maybe she took part because she wanted to
They were both adults
Some adults play different than others
We probably will never know

Right. Various reports do tend to suggest she had a bit of a wild side. All the folks asking, "Why would she go with him there?", I keep wanting to say...maybe because she enjoyed it. Whatever "it" was. Same reason he went. I mean, I hate to say it, but it may be just a wee bit sexist to suggest that only men enjoy kinky or taboo sex. And she had every right to do so. There is, in my view, no "moral" component to the question. As you said, some adults play different than others. So long as it's legal, it's nobody else's business.

Of course, it is potentially relevant to this situation now. So putting one's head in the sand about such things could be counterproductive.

At any rate, I think the key piece at this point is the bloody handprint, assuming they can get a DNA report from it.