ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - #10

[vlpate]

They appear to be shallow graves. I do not think you could bury a human there, much less one who was still alive. It amounts to being buried on the beach and you just sit up and there goes all the sand. lol On most of the island you won't find 6 foot of sand to bury someone in. The sand dunes, maybe, but I know they searched them. The bigger dunes are up by the lighthouse but I don't think whatever is on the eastern coast would be enough to bury someone without them being found. When that wind blows it displaces a lot of sand so anything buried would be found pretty quickly.

GG story was she drowned and I don't think he would risk them finding her body on the island anywhere. Wherever RG went in GG felt confident when and if they found her body she would have appeared to have drowned. jmo

I disagree, I think he was getting the heck off that island just in case they did find her body. Being back home if and when it happened, would buy him some time.

 

[LambChop]

I disagree, I think he was getting the heck off that island just in case they did find her body. Being back home if and when it happened, would buy him some time.

Well, he certainly wanted to get back home in hurry. He obviously knew LE was not buying his story regardless of what they told him about not being a suspect. He certainly would not have been safe here because the US would have sent him back and still might if Aruba decides to charge him. jmo

 

[vlpate]

Well, he certainly wanted to get back home in hurry. He obviously knew LE was not buying his story regardless of what they told him about not being a suspect. He certainly would not have been safe here because the US would have sent him back and still might if Aruba decides to charge him. jmo

Yep, as I said, it would buy him time - not buy him safety.

 

[LambChop]

Yep, as I said, it would buy him time - not buy him safety.

I guess he really missed his computer.

 

[Dushi]

This is true but then I did not drown while apparently dressed for dinner. jmo

Yeah well... ok
Maybe missed my point, but thats ok:crazy:

 

[LambChop]

Yeah well... ok
Maybe missed my point, but thats ok:crazy:

No, I got it. I just don't think she planned on going snorkeling, not the way she was dressed. So, yes, I agree with you. I don't think RG was into snorkeling. GG, however, apparently had other plans.

I sure hope women are staying away from him. But given how many women write to convicted murders in prison and want to marry them I doubt he will be going it alone for very long. jmo

 

[Dushi]

No, I got it. I just don't think she planned on going snorkeling, not the way she was dressed. jmo

Well, that actually wasn't my point

But its OK

Have a great night:crazy:

 

[neesaki]

LC,

Not only has the "car beating" not been confirmed , it has been dismissed as "rumor". Lets not start bringing this back into the conversation, it only confuses matters. Agreed??

....and perhaps the only reason they did not find Robyn's body was because they waited until the next day for search by helicopters, and boats. The other women went down where her husband could identify the exact spot and divers were in the water immediately. We will nrver know the exact spot for Robyn.:twocents:

True it hasn't been confirmed to the media or the public, but we don't know what ALE is keeping under their belt. The only thing they really denied was that she had been buried in a dog grave, Stein said that was ludicrous, something along those lines. jmo

 

[katydid23]

And around the Ritz site is very desolate

I know you can't grasp them going to another area

You know, I am sure he had his reasons and they probably weren't pure and perhaps he picked this location because it seemed like a good place to carry out his plan , if he had a plan, whatever that plan may have been

I don't really think they were looking for a snorkel site. do you?

But the fact is, when vacationing , many people explore their location

I mean, you have travelled all over the Island, why wouldn't someone else?

But she has visited the island for years. GG and RG were only on a 3 or 4 day trip. If I am going to be somewhere for 4 days, I am not going to leave my luxury resort and spend two of those days in a desolate, rocky, ugly area where there is an ugly eyesore factory as my main view.

 

[LambChop]

But she has visited the island for years. GG and RG were only on a 3 or 4 day trip. If I am going to be somewhere for 4 days, I am not going to leave my luxury resort and spend two of those days in a desolate, rocky, ugly area where there is an ugly eyesore factory as my main view.

My first trip down to Aruba was for the same amount of time as GG and RG. First thing we did was to tour the island by bus so we would know where to go and if a place was worth seeing again. We ended up not renting a car and staying at the hotel the rest of the time, going to the beach and eating at restaurants in and near the hotel.

Any visits I have taken to Baby Beach were when the grandchildren were small and later just once in awhile when we were down there. If we went once, that was enough. It's a long trip out there and at the time there were no lounge chairs to sit on....you were stuck sitting in the sand or on a towel. Just too much trouble when you had a beautiful beach where you were staying with chairs and lounges to sit on and a nice cool drink if you want one.

GG had to have know on Monday, at that hour of the day, thatq the visibility was not good at all and yet he chose to go back the following day. If RG was expecting to snorkel the on Tuesday why didn't she dress appropriately. She would have know the day before she would not be able to get into the water in her bare feet and would need water shoes. They sell them at the hotel. This is a woman who makes an effort to put herself together. jmo

 

[Dushi]

But she has visited the island for years. GG and RG were only on a 3 or 4 day trip. If I am going to be somewhere for 4 days, I am not going to leave my luxury resort and spend two of those days in a desolate, rocky, ugly area where there is an ugly eyesore factory as my main view.

But I have visited the Island for twenty nine trips in twenty years
So I too know know island and her people

My point is this


Everyone vacations differently
And if some want to hang around their resort, fine
Its not the way everyone does it

I travelled all over the place the first few trips, wanted to see everything

And Judging by LCs post so did she, so why is it that GG and RG travelling around is so hard to believe

There are some points of view that make absolute sense and in this caae... many, but some don't carry a lot of weight

I just don't buy that reasoning

You know JMO

 

[vlpate]

Well, he certainly wanted to get back home in hurry. He obviously knew LE was not buying his story regardless of what they told him about not being a suspect. He certainly would not have been safe here because the US would have sent him back and still might if Aruba decides to charge him. jmo

Yep, as I said, it would buy him time - not safety.

 

[LambChop]

But I have visited the Island for twenty nine trips in twenty years
So I too know know island and her people

My point is this


Everyone vacations differently
And if some want to hang around their resort, fine
Its not the way everyone does it

I travelled all over the place the first few trips, wanted to see everything

And Judging by LCs post so did she, so why is it that GG and RG travelling around is so hard to believe

There are some points of view that make absolute sense and in this caae... many, but some don't carry a lot of weight

I just don't buy that reasoning

You know JMO

And I understand what you are saying. There just is nothing very remarkable about going back there two days in a row at that time of day just to go snorkeling. He never asked the dive shop where a good place to snorkel would be. It just seems way too convenient for what eventually happened. No wonder she had that comment "This s**ks". She obviously was not impressed with the trip the first day otherwise she would have texted "Having a great time. Wish you were here" to RF.

But it is possible. I just don't see her agreeing to going snorkeling. I think she was dressed to go to dinner and had no intention of ever going into the water. You don't spend a half hour or more on makeup, hair, getting dressed up to go snorkeling. Plus they left with a leftover box from the restaurant. GG wants us to believe he parked in the shade while they were in the restaurant but left their box of food in a hot car, sitting in the sun for two hours. I think she asked for a box because she planned on finishing her meal when they got back to the hotel.

I also think that when he drove away from Baby Beach she knew they were not going back to the hotel and may have even suspected what he was up to. She had to have known before she died that he was planning. jmo

 

[Dushi]

And I understand what you are saying. There just is nothing very remarkable about going back there two days in a row at that time of day just to go snorkeling. He never asked the dive shop where a good place to snorkel would be. It just seems way too convenient for what eventually happened. No wonder she had that comment "This s**ks". She obviously was not impressed with the trip the first day otherwise she would have texted "Having a great time. Wish you were here" to RF. But it is possible. I just don't see her agreeing to going snorkeling. I think she was dressed to go to dinner and had no intention of ever going into the water. You don't spend a half hour or more on makeup, hair, getting dressed up to go snorkeling. Plus they left with a leftover box from the restaurant. GG wants us to believe he parked in the shade while they were in the restaurant but left their box of food in a hot car, sitting in the sun for two hours. I think she asked for a box because she planned on finishing her meal when they got back to the hotel.

I also think that when he drove away from Baby Beach she knew they were not going back to the hotel and may have even suspected what he was up to. She had to have known before she died that he was planning. jmo

Do you think she would have done that?

Because something tells me she wouldn't have said that.... you know


Anyway
Someday we may find the truth
I don't really care who wins or loses, i just want the truth

See you all

 

[katydid23]

But I have visited the Island for twenty nine trips in twenty years
So I too know know island and her people

My point is this


Everyone vacations differently
And if some want to hang around their resort, fine
Its not the way everyone does it

I travelled all over the place the first few trips, wanted to see everything

And Judging by LCs post so did she, so why is it that GG and RG travelling around is so hard to believe

There are some points of view that make absolute sense and in this caae... many, but some don't carry a lot of weight

I just don't buy that reasoning

You know JMO

Of course, I agree, everyone does their vacation differently. But, imo, RG did not look dressed in preparation for a snorkeling adventure. And it was not the proper time for snorkeling. And she had alcohol and sleeping pills in her system. All of these things make me doubt his version of events. JMO

 

[LambChop]

Do you think she would have done that?

Because something tells me she wouldn't have said that.... you know


Anyway
Someday we may find the truth
I don't really care who wins or loses, i just want the truth

See you all

Well, she was texting RF. We know that as a fact. From the look on her face in those pictures she certainly does not look as if she is having a splendid time. And I guess going to Baby Beach two days in a row late in the day would not exactly thrill me either when there are so many other things on the island they could have been doing. And if they planned to snorkel, why didn't they do so on Monday when they were there. If this were the only strange scenario in this story it would be one thing but nothing seems to make sense the way GG claims it happened compared to what we see with our own eyes and from witness statements. jmo

 

[vlpate]

Of course, I agree, everyone does their vacation differently. But, imo, RG did not look dressed in preparation for a snorkeling adventure. And it was not the proper time for snorkeling. And she had alcohol and sleeping pills in her system. All of these things make me doubt his version of events. JMO

We do not know that she had sleeping pills in her system.

 

[LambChop]

We do not know that she had sleeping pills in her system.

But GG said she took sleeping pills. So it must be so. :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Don't know how reliable this information is but I guess it must be true. A man has needs:

http://[link removed]/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981057141

 

[vlpate]

Do you think she would have done that?

Because something tells me she wouldn't have said that.... you know


Anyway
Someday we may find the truth
I don't really care who wins or loses, i just want the truth

See you all

Wow, I think I am about to agree with you Dushi.....here goes....

I highly doubt she would have texted Richard at all if she were having a great time. IMO, Robyn needed someone in her life, just an observation. I think she had an aversion to being alone, and people who are in constant need of someone and/or something usually have a back-up plan. Sometimes, it means if someone looks a little better, you go with that, which at the time was probably GG. Just my opinion after being around women who can't be alone - women who jump on match.com the minute they sense trouble in their relationship, just to make sure there are no gaps.

I totally agree, not only that she wouldn't have texted if she were having a good time - RF would probably not have entered her mind if she were enjoying the trip and GG.

I'm not a mental health professional, but I do know what someone who has low self esteem issues looks like. The vanity, the alleged drinking problem, the rumored history of abuse by someone she continues to have a relationship with, the "beyond pornographic" photos. Someone with high self esteem might have a drinking problem, but they don't take off on vacations with people they barely know and that none of their friends approve of - especially when they've been verbally abusive toward them. ALL JMO

It makes me incredibly sad to think those two days were probably miserable for her but she was stuck....and all the while she was instrumental in rehearsing her own demise. Sure, she should have known better, but vulnerability and a bit of ignorance does not equal a death sentence.

 

[vlpate]

But GG said she took sleeping pills. So it must be so. :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

Don't know how reliable this information is but I guess it must be true. A man has needs:

http://[link removed]/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981057141

Yes, I saw this last night - an Enquirer article, I think. Not sure where I saw it. I totally believe it's true. He's looking for a way to make money. Thing is, he's likely being monitored in some way. The FBI are never in a hurry when they are investigating anyone - look at JVDS - Stephany might still be alive if they had been a little more on the ball.

He can't stop being a peg.