ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - #10

[neesaki]

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I learned about Brain Fingerprinting many years ago, but I don't know if it is applicable yet to these types of cases, because they need more evidence,

or if there is just such a huge backlog or expense that they can't get to them all:


Brain fingerprinting - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Brain Fingerprinting is a controversial forensic science technique that uses electroencephalography (EEG) to determine whether specific information is stored in a subject’s brain. It does this by measuring electrical brainwave responses to words, phrases, or pictures that are presented on a computer screen (Farwell & Smith 2001).

I don't know, this sounds a little scary to me, but then that's jmo.

 

[neesaki]

couple of pages behind, but wanted to comment here...

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I'm wondering why the ALE haven't gone to all the rental agencies there and checked out WHO rented that particular kind of car - how many car rental agencies ARE there in Aruba??!! They do have the date and time... :seeya:

Right, my thoughts exactly, this would seem to be one of the easier aspects of this case, imo.

 

[neesaki]

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Dushi,

Didn't RF state he thought she was in Florida with family? He did not know she was with Giordano "before" she left, right? How could he have fought with her before the trip about GG, thought the fight was about something else. .......or do I have that wrong

I think they quarreled, but it wasn't about the trip or about GG. At least that's the way I understand it, :dunno:

 

[neesaki]

I guess I should have read a little further - good idea neesaki!! :seeya:

That we both had the same idea at close to the same time is interesting ... just mere coincidence, or more ..... ? :seeya:

 

[neesaki]

I know that I'm somewhat reluctant to ask others to provide information - it is a lot of work. But I thought I'd share a method I use to save some time. I use the ":site" search parameter that's available through Google. While there are 385 "hits" for the search argument "rf rg florida site:websleuths.com", you could probably narrow that down with some additional search words (or exclude words by using a minus sign ("-") in front of them). Opening up various URLs in other tabs is a LOT quicker than paging through each page of each thread and trying to search via Control-F. You can read more about search parameters in Google by referencing this URL:
http://www.googleguide.com/advanced_operators.html

Hope this helps.

Just really curious, what is the reason to use "florida" in the search ? TIA

 

[Blueskies]

Politics, are you even surprised??? Not sure if you are from the US, but if you are, what's new? It's like pot calling the kettle black. And what does that have to do with human trafficing? jmo

I was asked to provide links regarding corruption in Aruba.

You cannot compare what goes on in Aruba to the US. They control everything from the police,judges,prosecution,media and even free speach.

 

[neesaki]

I was asked to provide links regarding corruption in Aruba.

You cannot compare what goes on in Aruba to the US. They control everything from the police,judges,prosecution,media and even free speach.

This interests me, do you have any way to document this, links, etc.? TIA

 

[Blueskies]

Just a refresher of all the Americans who were murdered or vanished without a trace on Aruba(Not including Arubans or other Nationalities)

There is only one recorded case of a homocide against a tourist that was solved and prosecuted and that was way back in 1996. All the others never had a proper investigation and they vanished without a trace. If we want to get into specific details about why I feel they never had a proper investigation I can gladly provide those details..

Bud Larson (2000),Gary Makings(2002),Max De Vries(2004),Natalee Holloway(2005)Robyn Gardner(2011) There was also a assasination of a bulgarian mobster March 2001 who could be listed as a tourist

In 2000 there's the case of Renee and Roy Tiano of Framingham,Mass..That many suspected was murder but ruled a accident..No charges were ever filed.

http://www.asylumnation.com/asylum/printthread.php?threadid=3987
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Susan McCormick was the first and the last tourist who was murdered in Aruba where someone was prosecuted and the victim was found and layed to rest. Every missing person or murdered american before and after has vanished without a trace.

On February 10, 1996, the KPA faced the first recorded random homicide of a tourist on Aruba. 47-year-old Susan McCormick was a popular American bartender from Hampton Bays, New York who was found dead at a roadside near the Steamboat restaurant with a bullet in her neck and her wallet still on her person.[12] Officials from the hotel where McCormick had been staying had reportedly told her family that she had died in a car accident. The police were initially puzzled and refused to publicly discuss the case, but told McCormick's sister Sharon Hoyt that there was no sign of a robbery.[13] On February 16, three local youths aged 15, 18, and 19 were arrested after two informants came forward. One of the teens who intended to rob her waved a .38-caliber pistol, which accidentally fired, and fled the scene by car. McCormick's brother-in-law Jim Sofranko, who visited the site of the shooting in search of clues, stated, "I don't think they expected the gun to go off. She was just in the wrong place at the wrong time." Sofranko said the police told him of another case years ago in which a honeymooning groom killed his bride for the insurance money and that "this was the biggest case they ever had."[12]

http://www.ask.com/wiki/Aruba_Police_Force

 

[Blueskies]

This interests me, do you have any way to document this, links, etc.? TIA

There's a wealth of information out there Neesaki in English,Dutch and Papiamento. Nothing organized and I know that subject is off topic for this thread. I'M sure we can chat off of this page about that if your interested.

 

[vlpate]

Yes

RF was told she was going to Orlando with her family
He says that he believed that until they spoke on the phone and it sounded international

he asked Rg about that and she then told RF she was in Aruba with GG

Their relationship was not great before this trip (obviously) based on information from her friends

They fought before her departure
I simply do not have time to go back and find all of the links, but they are there and I won't argue about reports anymore
I would suggest if anyone has questions, they should do the search

happy to answer what I remember but if anyone has questions, , they will have to do the research as I have done it already. because from here on this is all JMO

Unfortunately, providing links is part of being a member. When something is posted that is not common knowledge, it's only considerate to post a link so the other members don't have to do the research. It is time consuming...

RF was told she was going to Orlando with her family
He says that he believed that until they spoke on the phone and it sounded international

he asked Rg about that and she then told RF she was in Aruba with GG

I'd never heard this before, especially that she told him over the phone she was in Aruba, so I researched it and that's not exactly how it went....Forester didn't find out she had been in Aruba with Girodano until she didn't return home, which is what I remembered. One of the early reports made a typo, IMO, when they reported Forester and RG fought about her going away with GG.

"The first inkling Richard Forester had that something wasn't quite right about his girlfriend Robyn Gardner's vacation was when he phoned her and the crackling and beeping on the line made it sound like an international call.

She was supposed to be in Orlando with her parents. Gardner, 35, told Forester, 40, she couldn't talk, but the next morning she emailed him to say her parents had surprised her with a family trip to Aruba, Forester tells PEOPLE.

That was Monday, Aug. 1. The following day, at 2:05 a.m., she posted a message on his Facebook wall saying simply, "This sucks." He wrote back, "inbox me." Then, 10 hours later, he wrote "Where r u baby??" "

 

[neesaki]

There's a wealth of information out there Neesaki in English,Dutch and Papiamento. Nothing organized and I know that subject is off topic for this thread. I'M sure we can chat off of this page about that if your interested.

Actually, I was inquiring with regards to this particular case, if, that is, there is anything specifically that might pertain to Robyn and her disappearance.

 

[Blueskies]

Actually, I was inquiring with regards to this particular case, if, that is, there is anything specifically that might pertain to Robyn and her disappearance.

Unfortunately as far as corruption or a cover up there is not.

Much has changed since the Holloway case and Natalee's parents applied a great deal more pressure on getting answer's and they found out a lot more.

I respect that Robyn's family has chosen to remain private and it's admirable the job Mr.Forester has done in finding his GF but they were completely shut out as far as searching on Aruba or the FBI helping in the investigation IN ARUBA. I feel bad for Robyn because she didn't get anywhere near the support that Natalee Holloway received and the massive searches to find her.

translation snip july 2009
but also agencies as recently employed by Dave Holloway, Natalee’s father, who had the island search by a bloodhound.“They have no authority here whatsoever. One must be extremely cautious, not to set the local people aside. “The Attorney General recently spoke with the American consul and previously forwarded him a letter so that he could inform his authorities in the United States. The message is, that no foreign, and thus no American tracing service can operate without a prior request to the Attorney General.

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_57125.php

There was a silly article in Bon Dia newspaper(The Govts mouthpiece) that Giordano was sharing a cell with Alex Mathews who has been in prison since August 2010 on charges of human trafficking. The paper deliberately put out this malicious bit of misinformation after Giordano had his interview and mentioned that he learned were the two main incomes of Aruba(Cocaine and Human Trafficking) Mathews demanded a retraction and gave the paper 48 hours to do so. Mathews BTW flatly denies he has done any human trafficking and blames the corrupt govt for setting him up. His case starts in February.

I agree with you about the white Hyundai Getz rental that they cannot locate as Aruba just isn't very big and I have a hard time believing they could not locate who rented this car. It could of been a huge break in the case because the Amigoe newspaper reported the car was seen driving around for 45 minutes in the area and the time stamp on video was just minutes before Giordano arrived and according to Diario newspaper he arrived twice(the first time 10 minutes earlier). We will probably never know if the driver of this vehicle was a accomplice or if they had witnessed anything. I would imagine they did since the cafe and dive shop closed at 4PM and by that time there were few people in the area. Too bad no one asked Giordano in the interviews why he was suprised everyone had left since he was there the day before at about the same time and would know everything had closed.

You also have Taco Stein flatly denying there was any blood evidence on national TV but we know now that wasn't true at all. The news this week is Mr.Stein has just taken the same position on another island St.Maarten.

There was that fisherman(Silva)who gave a detailed story about seeing Giordano and Robyn drive off,claiming they were driving the wrong way which caught his attention. During his interview with american media he said the police had not even questioned him yet..Nothing more was said about this possible witness except from Christina Jones who was Robyn roommate. She wrote on FB after returning from Aruba that the ALE told her that the witness got his dates mixed up and he was totally debunked as a witness. Christina strangely also declared her friend dead and announced she was giving Robyns belongings to a battered womans shelter.

 

[TheWNP]

Just really curious, what is the reason to use "florida" in the search ? TIA

Sorry, I guess I should have quoted the "thread" of messages that I was addressing.

R.U.Kidding!'s message 349 on page 14 asked:

Dushi,

Didn't RF state he thought she was in Florida with family? He did not know she was with Giordano "before" she left, right? How could he have fought with her before the trip about GG, thought the fight was about something else. .......or do I have that wrong

I was responding to Dushi's response in message 353 and agreeing that it's a time consuming task to search these pages for previously posted information and from the quote above, I picked "RF", "RG" (and yes, I know this is not in the quote), and "Florida" for the search arguments I would first use to find these posts. Of course, you would use keywords for whatever it was you were searching for, but that was the rationale behind my example. The main point is that using "site:websleuths.com" narrows the search to just this web site (and all of it servers since the "www." was left off).

Sorry for the confusion.

 

[vlpate]

Sorry, I guess I should have quoted the "thread" of messages that I was addressing.

R.U.Kidding!'s message 349 on page 14 asked:


I was responding to Dushi's response in message 353 and agreeing that it's a time consuming task to search these pages for previously posted information and from the quote above, I picked "RF", "RG" (and yes, I know this is not in the quote), and "Florida" for the search arguments I would first use to find these posts. Of course, you would use keywords for whatever it was you were searching for, but that was the rationale behind my example. The main point is that using "site:websleuths.com" narrows the search to just this web site (and all of it servers since the "www." was left off).

Sorry for the confusion.

Thank you!

 

[Saracen]

Yes


I simply do not have time to go back and find all of the links, but they are there and I won't argue about reports anymore
I would suggest if anyone has questions, they should do the search

happy to answer what I remember but if anyone has questions, , they will have to do the research as I have done it already. because from here on this is all JMO

I must commend you Dushi.

Thank you for all the links you have posted and the time and effort you have put into it.Without which this thread would have lost momentum ages ago.Although I am new to this and have not got into the link finding yet, <modsnip> could copy your example instead of just relying on you. Well Done.:seeya:

 

[Saracen]

Unfortunately, providing links is part of being a member. When something is posted that is not common knowledge, it's only considerate to post a link so the other members don't have to do the research. It is time consuming...

<modsnip>..:waitasec:

 

[smoknn]

i have been saying since the day i found out yet another pretty girl had went missing in aruba...i told my friend at that moment...shes gone without a trace..nothing found..no clues..nothing..and..that is what its shaped into..to find a murder weapon..their must be one...to find a dead body..their must be one....has anyone else noticed the pattern in both these cases?..both pretty and blonde, both last seen in aruba, both gone without a trace. why would you wanna kill something that is worth thousands in a far land..i may be wrong but i wanted to post this (dated) so if the truth ever does come out ..i already cracked the case..really i hate to think which would be worse...god bless

 

[Elley Mae]

That is not what he said in the beginning.

If you know differently, please post a link to show that RF knew where she was.

 

[Dushi]

Forester, of Bethesda, said he did not know Gardner was traveling with Giordano. He also said that Gardner had posted a message on his Facebook wall during her trip that said, &#8220;This sucks,&#8221;--but added that he couldn&#8217;t be sure what, in particular, Gardner was referring to. Forester said the posting was followed by a Facebook message from Gardner that said: &#8220;I love you. I care about you. We&#8217;ll sort this out when I get back.&#8221;

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...eaks-on-today/2011/08/11/gIQAxlSP8I_blog.html



Whatever it was that RG and Rf argued about before she left, it appears it was not about her going away withh GG as Rf did not know

And about the phone call, I guess i am wrong about her telling him she was in Aruba on the phone
I guess i was mixed up with his comment about thinking it was an international call

 

[LambChop]

Unfortunately as far as corruption or a cover up there is not.

Much has changed since the Holloway case and Natalee's parents applied a great deal more pressure on getting answer's and they found out a lot more.

I respect that Robyn's family has chosen to remain private and it's admirable the job Mr.Forester has done in finding his GF but they were completely shut out as far as searching on Aruba or the FBI helping in the investigation IN ARUBA. I feel bad for Robyn because she didn't get anywhere near the support that Natalee Holloway received and the massive searches to find her.

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All LE agencies discourage families from doing their own investigations. It's not an uncommon practice so I don't think Aruba is any different. And we know the FBI rarely discloses any information during an on going investigation, which this is. Crime happens everywhere and, yes, thieves do go on vacation...all the time. I don't think it is any secret that Aruba does not reveal any information they gather during an investigation so I'm not sure how that equals corruption. And politics are politics no matter where you go. The fact is an American is a suspect in the disappearance of another American.

Another fact to consider is that people are just not disappearing in Aruba on a regular basis. Just like any vacation resort that features water, people drown. Cruise ships lose passengers who fall overboard. It's not always a headline issue for months and RG's case is no different. It will only become news again when and if GG is charged. The Holloways made an effort to keep their daughter in the news, having resources to do so, in hopes of recovering her.

Aruba is still one of the safest islands to visit as long as you trust your travel companion. RG is an innocent victum and missing because she chose to travel with the wrong person, IMO. That has nothing to do with Aruba. jmo