ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - #10

[Blueskies]

Which interview are you referring to, Taco Stein's or GG's? TIA

Taco Stein..It's not extremely important I don't think. I just found it odd that he emphatically denied there was ANY blood evidence in front of millions on National TV. Then just a short time later we learned there was blood evidence that was being sent to the NFI in Holland two months after her dissapearance.

 

[Niner]

This came out through one source and it was the Diario newspaper which holds the most credibility with me out of all the papers in Aruba. I am 100% sure they wrote this because I translated the article myself back in August. Unfortunately,I went back to find it and spent at least a hour doing so and was unsuccesful..When I have time later this week I will make another attempt

ok... I'll wait... :seeya:

 

[neesaki]

I don't think I've seen this before. NG states she actually interviewed witnesses at the Rum Reef and that Robyn was "woozy".

She also states there is video evidence of them fighting two hours before at the hotel when GG shoves Robyn into an elevator, where they were apparently arguing over something she wrote on her computer to her boyfriend. This is at about 4:25 min. into the interview.

I thought authorities said that never happened, but now I'm wondering if they just didn't play it down as nothing "significant" ? :waitasec:

Nancy Grace on Aruba Mystery

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/aru...on-robyn-gardners-disappearance-cold-15046174

 

[Dushi]

I don't think I've seen this before. NG states she actually interviewed witnesses at the Rum Reef and that Robyn was "woozy".

She also states there is video evidence of them fighting two hours before at the hotel when GG shoves Robyn into an elevator, where they were apparently arguing over something she wrote on her computer to her boyfriend. This is at about 4:25 min. into the interview.

I thought authorities said that never happened, but now I'm wondering if they just didn't play it down as nothing "significant" ? :waitasec:

Nancy Grace on Aruba Mystery

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/aru...on-robyn-gardners-disappearance-cold-15046174

I believe all of these links are in the facts and rumours thread

 

[Blueskies]

ok... I'll wait... :seeya:

Hi Niner

It's confusing at exactly what time that car arrived the first time since we have never seen the video time stamp and it isn't mentioned in this article or anywhere else. Originally when I read this the translation was slightly different and I thought the car returned 10 minutes later at around 6PM. I'll ask someone if this translation is 100 percent correct.

BTW you have done a great job on your timeline

A security camera captured his car arrive, leave after ten minutes and return more or less at 6 in the afternoon to give the alarm.

http://www.diario.aw/2011/08/desaparicion-di-robyn-gardner-ta-birando-un-misterio/

http://garyfouse.blogspot.com/2011/08/diario-report-on-robyn-gardner.html

Edited to correct links

 

[Dushi]

I am sorry but I can't open either of the above links


Fixed... TY

 

[Niner]

:
Originally Posted by Blueskies
(Diario)
A security camera captured his car arrive, leave after ten minutes and return more or less at 6 in the afternoon to give the alarm.

This is very confusing because he arrived where and left after 10 minutes from what location. It can be assumed they are talking about the restaurant because that is where he gave the alarm but it's not at all clear what time the car was seen arriving. Maybe it's lost in the translation but it is not clear at all that he arrived 10 minutes to six. jmo

A security camera captured his car arrive, leave after ten minutes and return more or less at 6 in the afternoon to give the alarm.

Very doubtful since the article says the camera captured his car arriving..I don't think they meant when he was mixing drinks in the car or having a smoke and then THEY left 10 minutes later. Yes could be we are missing the context of what they are reporting but I still believe this was after Robyn dissapeared.

okay... from what I understand - here's what I have for "around that time" on the TimeLine: (leaving in the Rumor:

approx. 4:22pm - Approximately 10 minutes after leaving restaurant a fisherman reportedly saw Giordano and Gardner leaving a beach together, and said they did not get into the water.
Just before 5pm on August 2nd, Rumor: the couple saw a white Toyota RAV4 just like the car Giordano rented parked in the eerie Dog Graves Beach Pet cemetery; as the couple drove along the road, they saw the man beating the woman in the face. He was slapping her really hard, then punching her with his fist and beating her on the head. She was screaming; the couple stopped their car, yelled at the man and asked what the hell he was doing. When the man saw them, he started his vehicle and drove off in the opposite direction. The shocked couple drove on to nearby Baby Beach. Then they thought about what they’d seen for a few minutes and drove back to Dog Graves Beach but didn’t find any trace of the other couple or their vehicle. They noticed it because vehicles are not allowed to park in that area, where Arubans have been burying their pets for generations. In fact, the car was parked on some of the pet graves (per National Enquirer Oct 3, 2011)

6:15pm (time seen on video) - GG knocking on several back doors. /end Timeline.

so... I too don't understand WHEN/WHAT TIME GG's car is seen on security camera arrive and then leaves after 10 minutes, and then... ?? seen AGAIN at 6pm when he gives the alarm - ?? :waitasec: LOL! confusing? to me, yes!!

So, if someone can give me a TIME when GG is seen driving up to the restaurant and then leaving after 10 minutes - I can put that on the Timeline... :seeya:

 

[Niner]

Hi Niner

It's confusing at exactly what time that car arrived the first time since we have never seen the video time stamp and it isn't mentioned in this article or anywhere else. Originally when I read this the translation was slightly different and I thought the car returned 10 minutes later at around 6PM. I'll ask someone if this translation is 100 percent correct.

BTW you have done a great job on your timeline

A security camera captured his car arrive, leave after ten minutes and return more or less at 6 in the afternoon to give the alarm.

http://www.diario.aw/2011/08/desaparicion-di-robyn-gardner-ta-birando-un-misterio/

http://garyfouse.blogspot.com/2011/08/diario-report-on-robyn-gardner.html

Edited to correct links

LOL! I just posted my question - and I see we still don't have the time stamp for when he arrived, left after 10 minutes, and then returned around 6pm. So I will for the time being leave that out, as we have no idea 'when' this was - or I can insert "something" there, since it does give us a 6pm time... or am MORE confused now!! :floorlaugh:

edited to add: Thanks! re Timeline!

 

[Blueskies]

I don't think I've seen this before. NG states she actually interviewed witnesses at the Rum Reef and that Robyn was "woozy".

She also states there is video evidence of them fighting two hours before at the hotel when GG shoves Robyn into an elevator, where they were apparently arguing over something she wrote on her computer to her boyfriend. This is at about 4:25 min. into the interview.

I thought authorities said that never happened, but now I'm wondering if they just didn't play it down as nothing "significant" ? :waitasec:

Nancy Grace on Aruba Mystery

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/video/aru...on-robyn-gardners-disappearance-cold-15046174

The CCTV footage of the fight in the elevator and Giordano threatening to kill Robyn,The beating by the dog graves and the witnesses who saw a burial,A mysterious Accomplice with Tattoos and the exclusive interview with Richard Forester never happened. Most of these articles if not all of them were done by John blosser at the National enquirer and there is not truth to them at all.

At least once Ann Angela the spokesperson for the prosecution confirmed this.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

I think they were speaking by PMs on the computer or emails or BBM's on their cell phones too. Which is why it is disjointed.

Thanks
That would fill in the blanks. Wonder why RF has never filled in the blanks. Might have told us what was going on with GG and Her?

......and readheadedgirl:

Yes, I meant to make a note that these were sent on Wed after RG had disappeared, but before RF knew about it. Still wonder why he would jump to the conclusion that she wanted to "break up " with him?
Frankly, I think there is a lot we don't know about with regards to the dynamics of their relationship?

 

[LambChop]

The CCTV footage of the fight in the elevator and Giordano threatening to kill Robyn,The beating by the dog graves and the witnesses who saw a burial,A mysterious Accomplice with Tattoos and the exclusive interview with Richard Forester never happened. Most of these articles if not all of them were done by John blosser at the National enquirer and there is not truth to them at all.

At least once Ann Angela the spokesperson for the prosecution confirmed this.

And, again, this could have been info from locals and rumors that surface in smaller communities. jmo

 

[Dushi]

Thanks
That would fill in the blanks. Wonder why RF has never filled in the blanks. Might have told us what was going on with GG and Her?

......and readheadedgirl:

Yes, I meant to make a note that these were sent on Wed after RG had disappeared, but before RF knew about it. Still wonder why he would jump to the conclusion that she wanted to "break up " with him?
Frankly, I think there is a lot we don't know about with regards to the dynamics of their relationship?

I think it was a troubled relationship




FORESTER: Well -- first of all -- I`ll tell you about that day. That was actually back in February. We`d been out. She`d had a bit too much to drink. She was angry. She started screaming. Neighbors that live in apartments, you know, very close by heard. They called the police. Police came, saw that nothing was wrong, said, "Great, sorry to bother you. Have a good night."


FORESTER: No, that does not. You know what? I`m so sorry. I`m so sorry. I`m so sorry. Because it did happen twice. It happened once in my apartment and once when we were at the beach. Again, a little bit too much to drink. She was screaming. An ex-boyfriend of hers had texted me. I asked her about it. She got mad. She started screaming. They called the police. Police came, saw that there was nothing wrong, nobody was hurt and nobody was getting hurt or was about to get hurt. They left.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/11/ddhln.01.html

 

[neesaki]

I believe all of these links are in the facts and rumours thread

I have heard the report when it was originally reported, but not heard NG reporting it as well. Then ALE came out and claimed they found nothing "significant". I just have to question what they mean by "significant". Does that just mean that it didn't show GG committing an act that lead to Robyn's death during that specific incident, at that particular time; and because she was seen alive afterward ?

Since NG was actually there and interviewed witnesses, I have to seriously wonder if the story may have been reported accurately after all. Granted, she doesn't always get everything right, but she doesn't normally report anything from the NE as fact either. jmo

 

[neesaki]

The CCTV footage of the fight in the elevator and Giordano threatening to kill Robyn,The beating by the dog graves and the witnesses who saw a burial,A mysterious Accomplice with Tattoos and the exclusive interview with Richard Forester never happened. Most of these articles if not all of them were done by John blosser at the National enquirer and there is not truth to them at all.

At least once Ann Angela the spokesperson for the prosecution confirmed this.

I remember it was confirmed they found nothing "significant" in the video, however, I don't remember her confirming nothing like that ever happened at all. But as I've said, I'm often wrong about many things. I will go back later and see if I can find that in the links.

The thing is, I seriously doubt that ALE would consider it evidence of a murder, even if there was a video of GG pushing Robyn into an elevator.
So, even if it did happen, not "significant". jmo

 

[Dushi]

It seems clear to me


Ann Angela, a spokeswoman for the Aruban public prosecutors office, said authorities are still trying to piece together what Giordano and Gardner were doing in the days before her disappearance, and how they were getting along. She said police have reviewed surveillance video from the hotel where they stayed, and examined images of Giordano and Gardner, but didn’t see anything unusual.

“We have the video and we don’t see anything,” Angela said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...7j9J_blog.html

 

[neesaki]

Meanwhile, an FBI official has arrived in Aruba to act as a liaison in the case. FBI agents have already been involved in the investigation in the United States, searching Giordano's Gaithersburg, Maryland, home.

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-08-17/...insurance-aruban-insurance-policy?_s=PM:WORLD

I just find it troubling that ALE would not allow the FBI to be actively involved with the investigation in Aruba. They had already compromised and botched the Natalee Holloway case and received bad press for months and years. Yet they only allowed the FBI to do their investigation in the states and to serve as liason. Even turned down the offer of bringing in search dogs earlier. Just not good, not good at all, imo.

 

[neesaki]

It seems clear to me


Ann Angela, a spokeswoman for the Aruban public prosecutors office, said authorities are still trying to piece together what Giordano and Gardner were doing in the days before her disappearance, and how they were getting along. She said police have reviewed surveillance video from the hotel where they stayed, and examined images of Giordano and Gardner, but didn’t see anything unusual.

“We have the video and we don’t see anything,” Angela said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...7j9J_blog.html

Ok, anything "unusual". TU

 

[Blueskies]

I remember it was confirmed they found nothing "significant" in the video, however, I don't remember her confirming nothing like that ever happened at all. But as I've said, I'm often wrong about many things. I will go back later and see if I can find that in the links.

The thing is, I seriously doubt that ALE would consider it evidence of a murder, even if there was a video of GG pushing Robyn into an elevator.
So, even if it did happen, not "significant". jmo

Thats right. Certainly if he put her hands on her throat and threatened to kill her that would something out of the ordinary..lol

Did you get a chance to see the NE article and the picture they showed? It looked nothing like Robyn and Giordano.

Have you followed the NE articles about Van Der Sloot at the Castro Castro prison the last year? They put into print at least 6 articles that had no truth to them at all..A couple of them involved escape attempts,another involved him being someones prison ***** and yet another claimed that Joran paid someone to stab another inmate. Again none of these were true

What they didn't report was him fathering a child in the prison which i am told is true.

 

[LambChop]

Meanwhile, an FBI official has arrived in Aruba to act as a liaison in the case. FBI agents have already been involved in the investigation in the United States, searching Giordano's Gaithersburg, Maryland, home.

http://articles.cnn.com/2011-08-17/...insurance-aruban-insurance-policy?_s=PM:WORLD

And let's face it the FBI is going to have a file. There is no way they are going to get a warrant to search his property without everything Aruba has. And there is absolutely no reason why Aruba would not give it to them. The FBI is not going to interfere with Aruba's investigation. They would work together the same way as if it was the FBI working with a local LE agency.

If there is anything we have learned here in the US, that is don't believe everything you read in the newspaper. NG is even worse. I don't know how she keeps her program going with some of the misinformation they put out as "sworn fact".

It is absolutely not clear what this translation means and there is information missing regarding the 10 minutes. The only video we have seen that involves arriving and leaving 10 minutes apart is when GG went out to "refresh" the drink. There is no proof he was there right before 6pm and if an Aruba newspaper did, in fact, have this information they would have made a big deal out of it. Their newspaper can be pretty outspoken and do not seem intimidated by the government, nor do some of the locals I know.

And police everywhere do not release critical information while they are in the process of an investigation. Not while the case is still open. It is not that there is a coverup, they just do not release it for the obvious reason it can and often does compromise their investigation.

If Robin had breast inserts, and I'm not sure she did but LE would know, this could be why they are watching Venezuela. I would think they would wash ashore at some point and some of her remains would, too, if that is where she went in.

I found it interesting that the Aruban newspaper said they found no fins when GG claimed to have had fins with him. But did they mean they found none at the site but they were in the car, or were there no fins at all found?

Another thing I noticed. When my friend is out snorkeling for 1/2 or so, when she comes you can tell she has had a mask on. I don't see that in the video with GG. jmo

 

[Dushi]

And let's face it the FBI is going to have a file. There is no way they are going to get a warrant to search his property without everything Aruba has. And there is absolutely no reason why Aruba would not give it to them. The FBI is not going to interfere with Aruba's investigation. They would work together the same way as if it was the FBI working with a local LE agency.

If there is anything we have learned here in the US, that is don't believe everything you read in the newspaper. NG is even worse. I don't know how she keeps her program going with some of the misinformation they put out as "sworn fact".

It is absolutely not clear what this translation means and there is information missing regarding the 10 minutes. The only video we have seen that involves arriving and leaving 10 minutes apart is when GG went out to "refresh" the drink. There is no proof he was there right before 6pm and if an Aruba newspaper did, in fact, have this information they would have made a big deal out of it. Their newspaper can be pretty outspoken and do not seem intimidated by the government, nor do some of the locals I know.

And police everywhere do not release critical information while they are in the process of an investigation. Not while the case is still open. It is not that there is a coverup, they just do not release it for the obvious reason it can and often does compromise their investigation.

If Robin had breast inserts, and I'm not sure she did but LE would know, this could be why they are watching Venezuela. I would think they would wash ashore at some point and some of her remains would, too, if that is where she went in.

I found it interesting that the Aruban newspaper said they found no fins when GG claimed to have had fins with him. But did they mean they found none at the site but they were in the car, or were there no fins at all found?

Another thing I noticed. When my friend is out snorkeling for 1/2 or so, when she comes you can tell she has had a mask on. I don't see that in the video with GG. jmo

Excellent thought