ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - #10

[Niner]

If GG's computer was cleaned it would indicate he suspected someone would be looking at his computer while he was on vacation, which is hinky, and if he cleaned it afterwards he definitely is trying to hide something. Either way it does not look good. jmo

But... didn't the FBI go to his house while he was sitting in jail?? So, he had no need to clean it when he got home?? :waitasec:

 

[LambChop]

But... didn't the FBI go to his house while he was sitting in jail?? So, he had no need to clean it when he got home?? :waitasec:

Oh, I don't think he could if he wanted to. The FBI had it and still does, IMO. Unless someone else deleted his files he had to have done it before he left are while he was in Aruba. If he was into taking pornographic pictures could he have had a program set up that would clean up out his computer while he was at another location just to get rid of that evidence. That seems logical because he would not want people to find those pictures. Also when I said afterwards I was thinking before his arrest. jmo

 

[neesaki]

I know that the idea of Robyn planning her own disappearance has been brought up here and there, in the media, etc. I have been turning that over in my mind and feel the need to write it down, so here are some of my thoughts:

GG was the last one with her and claimed the story of accidental drowning, so he would have to have been involved with Robyn's plan first hand.

If Robyn wanted to just disappear without a trace, it would have been much easier to choose a scenario that Robyn left the room at night to take a walk on the beach,disappeared into the darkness and never came back, something along those lines. But no, then there would have been no 1.5 million waiting in the wings.

Thus, the "snorkeling and drowning" story. Even though it's hard to prove/disprove and brings so many questions, plus there were witnesses in the area of the alleged drowning site, it was still the best he could come up with to explain her disappearance and still possibly claim the 1.5 mill. Even if it means waiting for seven years, not a bad payoff.

Back to the theory, would the deal between them have been that Robyn had to sign this insurance policy as his payoff to assist her in her plan? Or, would they have planned to split the payoff. This would have required a tremendous amount of trust on her part.

Then, where would she go, how would she support herself, how would she hide with her very noticeable tattoo, and her photos plastered all over the national news and the internet.

Also, who would want to live a life in hiding, which would be far from the free, unrestricted lifestyle Robyn seemed to enjoy living, unless perhaps in the case of someone trying to evade the law, or someone who's life is in danger for some reason.

Also, Robyn was getting alimony from her ex-husband. Why would she want to disappear and give up that monthly income voluntarily.

GG knows that if someone drowns, and there's no body, he can possibly collect, even if he has to wait seven years. If her body does wash ashore, it would be too late to determine the cause of death and it can only be ruled a drowning. That is unless maybe he bludgeoned her with a rock or something and there was evidence of that on the skeletal remains. :twocents:

I'm sure I'm missing something though, so any other thoughts are more than welcome. TIA

 

[Saracen]

Sorry Saracen, you did mention this in post #500. I guess it just didn't register until I thought it through myself - sometimes we get these preconceived notions in our brains and they're hard to shake. I think it's difficult to think like a criminal at times since it's so different from how we normally function. This is why I never pursued any security related issues as an engineer/systems analyst.

No problem The WNP, i was trying to look at it from the Criminals point of view, in that if i was going with the intent, how would i be able to find remote places on an island that i have never been too before?, use my computer, use something like google earth,study the island that way..

 

[LambChop]

bumping......

 

[Dushi]

I know that the idea of Robyn planning her own disappearance has been brought up here and there, in the media, etc. I have been turning that over in my mind and feel the need to write it down, so here are some of my thoughts:

GG was the last one with her and claimed the story of accidental drowning, so he would have to have been involved with Robyn's plan first hand.

If Robyn wanted to just disappear without a trace, it would have been much easier to choose a scenario that Robyn left the room at night to take a walk on the beach,disappeared into the darkness and never came back, something along those lines. But no, then there would have been no 1.5 million waiting in the wings.

Thus, the "snorkeling and drowning" story. Even though it's hard to prove/disprove and brings so many questions, plus there were witnesses in the area of the alleged drowning site, it was still the best he could come up with to explain her disappearance and still possibly claim the 1.5 mill. Even if it means waiting for seven years, not a bad payoff.

Back to the theory, would the deal between them have been that Robyn had to sign this insurance policy as his payoff to assist her in her plan? Or, would they have planned to split the payoff. This would have required a tremendous amount of trust on her part.

Then, where would she go, how would she support herself, how would she hide with her very noticeable tattoo, and her photos plastered all over the national news and the internet.
Also, who would want to live a life in hiding, which would be far from the free, unrestricted lifestyle Robyn seemed to enjoy living, unless perhaps in the case of someone trying to evade the law, or someone who's life is in danger for some reason.

Also, Robyn was getting alimony from her ex-husband. Why would she want to disappear and give up that monthly income voluntarily.

GG knows that if someone drowns, and there's no body, he can possibly collect, even if he has to wait seven years. If her body does wash ashore, it would be too late to determine the cause of death and it can only be ruled a drowning. That is unless maybe he bludgeoned her with a rock or something and there was evidence of that on the skeletal remains. :twocents:

I'm sure I'm missing something though, so any other thoughts are more than welcome. TIA

It would be very hard for her to go unnoticed with all of the publicity
Almost impossible IMO

And IF she could stay under the radar, how would she live?
What would she live on?

 

[Dushi]

I know that the idea of Robyn planning her own disappearance has been brought up here and there, in the media, etc. I have been turning that over in my mind and feel the need to write it down, so here are some of my thoughts:

GG was the last one with her and claimed the story of accidental drowning, so he would have to have been involved with Robyn's plan first hand.

If Robyn wanted to just disappear without a trace, it would have been much easier to choose a scenario that Robyn left the room at night to take a walk on the beach,disappeared into the darkness and never came back, something along those lines. But no, then there would have been no 1.5 million waiting in the wings.
Thus, the "snorkeling and drowning" story. Even though it's hard to prove/disprove and brings so many questions, plus there were witnesses in the area of the alleged drowning site, it was still the best he could come up with to explain her disappearance and still possibly claim the 1.5 mill. Even if it means waiting for seven years, not a bad payoff.

Back to the theory, would the deal between them have been that Robyn had to sign this insurance policy as his payoff to assist her in her plan? Or, would they have planned to split the payoff. This would have required a tremendous amount of trust on her part.

Then, where would she go, how would she support herself, how would she hide with her very noticeable tattoo, and her photos plastered all over the national news and the internet.

Also, who would want to live a life in hiding, which would be far from the free, unrestricted lifestyle Robyn seemed to enjoy living, unless perhaps in the case of someone trying to evade the law, or someone who's life is in danger for some reason.

Also, Robyn was getting alimony from her ex-husband. Why would she want to disappear and give up that monthly income voluntarily.

GG knows that if someone drowns, and there's no body, he can possibly collect, even if he has to wait seven years. If her body does wash ashore, it would be too late to determine the cause of death and it can only be ruled a drowning. That is unless maybe he bludgeoned her with a rock or something and there was evidence of that on the skeletal remains. :twocents:

I'm sure I'm missing something though, so any other thoughts are more than welcome. TIA

Why not?

 

[LambChop]

Why not?

The insurance would not have paid if she was just missing. There has to be some proof she was deceased. She has to be declared so officially. jmo

 

[Dushi]

The insurance would not have paid if she was just missing. There has to be some proof she was deceased. She has to be declared so officially. jmo

Yes I understand that
But if he said she went for a walk and disappeared or went swimming and can't be found... how does that differ?

She has not been legally declared dead , has she?

 

[Dushi]

With all of this talk about GG deleting files I wonder why he didn't delete the photos from the camera

 

[LambChop]

Yes I understand that
But if he said she went for a walk and disappeared or went swimming and can't be found... how does that differ?

She has not been legally declared dead , has she?

It appears he expected her body to be found so he must know LE would rule that she drowned. And when they didn't find her he was hoping they would declare her legally deceased. We know they waited over 6 years to do so for Natalie and only did so at the family's request. Not sure about Aruba but in the states it could be up to a 7 year wait before the court would claim they were legally dead.

As far as the pictures, they show a relationship and that is all they show, IMO. Some couples are into that type of thing. The pictures would not connect him to a crime in any way so he obviously wanted to keep them. jmo

 

[Dushi]

It appears he expected her body to be found so he must know LE would rule that she drowned. And when they didn't find her he was hoping they would declare her legally deceased. We know they waited over 6 years to do so for Natalie and only did so at the family's request. Not sure about Aruba but in the states it could be up to a 7 year wait before the court would claim they were legally dead.

As far as the pictures, they show a relationship and that is all they show, IMO. Some couples are into that type of thing. The pictures would not connect him to a crime in any way so he obviously wanted to keep them. jmo

OK, so I guess your opinion is that Robyn was under no duress and these photos were between consenting adults

I agree

 

[LambChop]

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OK, so I guess your opinion is that Robyn was under no duress and these photos were between consenting adults

I agree

I don't know what the pictures show but I know if someone hurt me I'd be on the first flight out in the morning. I would have left and sat in the airport all night if necessary, even if it meant leaving with the clothes on my back.

I don't think they had a loving relationship. I think they had a sexual one that could or could not have included some type of roughness. It appears he's that kind of a guy as he seems to like violence. T. Stein's impression was that the pictures lead him to believe he was a "mean b*****d." That should tell us a lot. jmo

 

[Dushi]

I don't know what the pictures show but I know if someone hurt me I'd be on the first flight out in the morning. I would have left and sat in the airport all night if necessary, even if it meant leaving with the clothes on my back.

I don't think they had a loving relationship. I think they had a sexual one that could or could not have included some type of roughness. It appears he's that kind of a guy as he seems to like violence. T. Stein's impression was that the pictures lead him to believe he was a "mean b*****d." That should tell us a lot. jmo

I expect you are correct
We do not know what the pics show other than they were described as "beyond pornographic" and T Stein said there appeared to be no duress.

I don't recall the exact moment that Stein called him a mean B.
I believe it was during the same interview about the pics.
I don't know what he was referring to at that moment, could have been the pics,could have been Steins overall impression of GG




Aruba Solicitor General Taco Stein, who is leading the case, confirmed to TODAY’s Matt Lauer in an exclusive interview on Thursday that a camera has been confiscated, but would not comment on the specific nature of the photos on it. However, from what he understands, Gardner does not appear to be in danger in the photos.

“What I’ve heard about it is that there is no indication that there is talk of duress in the pictures,’’ Stein said.


Giordano also has a troubled history involving women, including multiple restraining orders taken against him and allegations of domestic incidents. People magazine recently quoted Stein as saying: “He is a mean . The way he treats women is all geared toward himself.’’

http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44187...le/t/images-woman-missing-aruba-found-camera/

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

So apparently there is NO PROOF GG deleted anything on his computer. Is that where we are now?
From all I have read the ONLY mention of that happening was by a criminologist who speculated that they would probably not find anything linking him to this crime on his computer, because he was Tech savvy and would have "wiped it clean". ...and that statement seems a bit unfair, considering she is "accusing him of having had damaging computer evidence that will not be found now because he got rid of it.

See this is where the reporting gets out of hand. Hard to separate fact from speculation. In my opinion there are just too many things reported erroneously by the various news organizations. Maybe it is the problem in this case because it is "lost in Translation". LOL!

 

[Dushi]

So apparently there is NO PROOF GG deleted anything on his computer. Is that where we are now?
From all I have read the ONLY mention of that happening was by a criminologist who speculated that they would probably not find anything linking him to this crime on his computer, because he was Tech savvy and would have "wiped it clean". ...and that statement seems a bit unfair, considering she is "accusing him of having had damaging computer evidence that will not be found now because he got rid of it.

See this is where the reporting gets out of hand. Hard to separate fact from speculation. In my opinion there are just too many things reported erroneously by the various news organizations. Maybe it is the problem in this case because it is "lost in Translation". LOL!

Yes, IMO, that is where we are
Lots of speculation and a report on TV that only one poster heard( that has mentioned it)

No media picked it up
Other than the above posts, post 528 and 530 .

 

[Saracen]

Yes, IMO, that is where we are
Lots of speculation and a report on TV that only one poster heard( that has mentioned it)

No media picked it up
Other than the above posts

I feel it needs something like this to actually happen to move this on, because at the moment its stagnent..

 

[Dushi]

I feel it needs something like this to actually happen to move this on, because at the moment its stagnent..

There is nothing new to discuss
There is no news

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

I feel it needs something like this to actually happen to move this on, because at the moment its stagnent..

Yes, IMO, that is where we are
Lots of speculation and a report on TV that only one poster heard( that has mentioned it)

No media picked it up
Other than the above posts, post 528 and 530 .

EXACTLY!!!!!! You are 100% right!!!! NOTHIN__NADA!! Just how many cases out there are in this category of "stagnant"?

We do our best to keep the discussions open, but isn't there something inherently wrong when we look at the "open cases " in this category??

I mean the list gets longer, and so does the time. Robyn Gardner is one of the ones we can still have hope for a timely resolution....but ya know I fear this will go the way of the Jennefer Kesse's, Morgan Harrington's,Tara Granddad's, Holly Bobo's,Haeleigh Cummings...and on , and on, and on.

God is it really this hopeless--people just disappear into thin air?? Even in cases where the body has been found, witnesses have come forward, Security pictures of POI's, Composite sketches have been made--years later--Nothing. Something is very wrong here!!!

Sorry for the rant ....actually there should be a "Wall of FLAME":burn: where one can go to VENT, cause sometimes you just gotta explode!!!!! OH yeah.....IMO!!:banghead::rant:

 

[Dushi]

EXACTLY!!!!!! You are 100% right!!!! NOTHIN__NADA!! Just how many cases out there are in this category of "stagnant"?

We do our best to keep the discussions open, but isn't there something inherently wrong when we look at the "open cases " in this category??

I mean the list gets longer, and so does the time. Robyn Gardner is one of the ones we can still have hope for a timely resolution....but ya know I fear this will go the way of the Jennefer Kesse's, Morgan Harrington's,Tara Granddad's, Holly Bobo's,Haeleigh Cummings...and on , and on, and on.

God is it really this hopeless--people just disappear into thin air?? Even in cases where the body has been found, witnesses have come forward, Security pictures of POI's, Composite sketches have been made--years later--Nothing. Something is very wrong here!!!

Sorry for the rant ....actually there should be a "Wall of FLAME":burn: where one can go to VENT, cause sometimes you just gotta explode!!!!! OH yeah.....IMO!!:banghead::rant:

No need to be sorry
I think everyone that follows these cases feels deep frustration and anger
Sometimes things appear so clear to us, yet they are not clear in the eyes of the law
We are also working with rumour and fact all mixed together

I try to imagine the frustration and sadness that the families feel
To lose someone you love dearly
And no body can answer that question... Why?

If I can have one wish, i would wish each one of those left behind, peace and comfort

I hope they can find both of those things, somehow, some way