ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - #10

[Saracen]

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There is no news

Exactly the point that i am trying to make..

 

[neesaki]

The insurance would not have paid if she was just missing. There has to be some proof she was deceased. She has to be declared so officially. jmo

Yes, this was my thought as well.

 

[Dushi]

Yes, this was my thought as well.

I agree
but whether she walked off late at night or disappeared snorkelling...
Still seems there is no proof

Seems there would be easier ways if well planned
The man is either stupid or innocent, IMO

 

[katydid23]

I agree
but whether she walked off late at night or disappeared snorkelling...
Still seems there is no proof

Seems there would be easier ways if well planned
The man is either stupid or innocent, IMO

I'd say 'stupid and guilty.' :what::what::what:

 

[Elley Mae]

I agree
but whether she walked off late at night or disappeared snorkelling...
Still seems there is no proof

Seems there would be easier ways if well planned
The man is either stupid or innocent, IMO

Hey Dushi

This is something that could be very true. What if he had nothing to do with her disappearance, lets face it without her body how does one know that she is dead.

As to stupid or innocent, you could be onto something.

 

[Saracen]

I'd say 'stupid and guilty.' :what::what::what:

you could be right, except you have to be proven guilty, and the powers that be have been unable to do that yet.:what:

 

[LambChop]

Innocent people usually don't end up with the victum's clothes she was last wearing and a story that you could drive a mack truck through. The body should have been there. He first claimed there were strong currents that were pulling them out to sea when the weather report said the ocean currents were very calm at that time, no strong currents. He then changed his story to his sneakers were weighing him down. With a calm sea her body should have been there and at the very least come into shore by morning. That water is very clear from the air and a helicopter should have been able to find her easily. jmo

 

[Dushi]

Innocent people usually don't end up with the victum's clothes she was last wearing and a story that you could drive a mack truck through. The body should have been there. He first claimed there were strong currents that were pulling them out to sea when the weather report said the ocean currents were very calm at that time, no strong currents. He then changed his story to his sneakers were weighing him down. With a calm sea her body should have been there and at the very least come into shore by morning. That water is very clear from the air and a helicopter should have been able to find her easily. jmo

As you have mentioned several times, nobody goes snorkelling at that time of night, not enough light to see anything

Would helicopters be able to see anything?
After all, it was well past six PM before they were searching and given that the sun sets early

I really don't know anything about tides and currents except what I have read here, so perhaps she should have come to shore, I don't know

 

[LambChop]

As you have mentioned several times, nobody goes snorkelling at that time of night, not enough light to see anything

Would helicopters be able to see anything?
After all, it was well past six PM before they were searching and given that the sun sets early

I really don't know anything about tides and currents except what I have read here, so perhaps she should have come to shore, I don't know

I believe it was T. Stein that said in one of his interviews that RG's body, if it were there, should have come ashore by now. As for the helicopters I was thinking the following morning, they were out looking first thing in the morning, if not the same night, because the media report stated GG was there the following morning, just 12 hours later, with an attorney.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2011-08-09-us-woman-missing-in-aruba_n.htm

Giordano, 50, called police in Aruba around 6:30 p.m. on Aug. 2 to say that he and Gardner got separated while snorkeling and she never made it back to shore. Video and photos obtained by the AP show him assisting police in a helicopter and boat search of the Dutch island's coastline.

And didn't GG say in his interview with GMA that they had not yet done a search by helicopter when he was talking about getting charged for that and calling the insurance company to see if he was covered??? We know the first thing they would have tried to find the body in the water would be to use the helicopter. A human form in that clear water would have been very visible if it were there where he claims they were snorkeling. jmo

 

[LambChop]

A traveling companion who you are in a close relationship with goes missing while snorkeling and you are not sure they made it to shore and you look at your watch and say....."She might be dead by now." Who would say that??? That is not what a person who is suffering a loss would say. What was his intention with that statement? Did he expect LE to agree with him and say, "Well, let's run back to the office so we can write up a death certificate for you...to make matters legal, of course"?????

JMO

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Innocent people usually don't end up with the victum's clothes she was last wearing and a story that you could drive a mack truck through. The body should have been there. He first claimed there were strong currents that were pulling them out to sea when the weather report said the ocean currents were very calm at that time, no strong currents. He then changed his story to his sneakers were weighing him down. With a calm sea her body should have been there and at the very least come into shore by morning. That water is very clear from the air and a helicopter should have been able to find her easily. jmo

LambChop,

I am not sure what you are saying:

>Innocent people would certainly end up with the clothes the victim was last wearing if "they had to take them off and leave them to go swimming"
So GG killed RG ---but he took her cloths to prove his story of swimming, and then made sure they were placed somewhere that would be consistent with his story?

>ThaT is your opinion , right?

> WHERE? Weren't the helicopters there the next morning, in daylight so they could see bodies through that clear water? One would think after some 10 hours a body could drift pretty far from an"area". Remember GG was not like the husband of the latest victim, who was able to tell them EXACTLT where she went down. GG didn't know where RG was pulled under.
.....and all this talk about the body would "have to wash up" WHY? there are reasons body's don't always wash ashore. Nothing is a given.

IMO there are enough things we are questioning to still be ipen to this being an accident. For me anyway.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

A traveling companion who you are in a close relationship with goes missing while snorkeling and you are not sure they made it to shore and you look at your watch and say....[/B]."She might be dead by now."[/B] Who would say that??? That is not what a person who is suffering a loss would say. What was his intention with that statement? Did he expect LE to agree with him and say, "Well, let's run back to the office so we can write up a death certificate for you...to make matters legal, of course"?????

JMO

LOL! Well when you STATE it that way, Yeah? I am not sure that statement has ever been validated, and if it were I think it needs to be in context. People say stupid things under stress, I know I have---even when not stressed--LOL!!

 

[Dushi]

A traveling companion who you are in a close relationship with goes missing while snorkeling and you are not sure they made it to shore and you look at your watch and say....."She might be dead by now." Who would say that??? That is not what a person who is suffering a loss would say. What was his intention with that statement? Did he expect LE to agree with him and say, "Well, let's run back to the office so we can write up a death certificate for you...to make matters legal, of course"?????

JMO

I have never seen anything sinister about that comment.
It seemed to me something that might be said after a lot of time had passed with no results... time is running out, she might be dead

I think I would like to hear HOW it was stated

 

[LambChop]

LambChop,

I am not sure what you are saying:

>Innocent people would certainly end up with the clothes the victim was last wearing if "they had to take them off and leave them to go swimming"
So GG killed RG ---but he took her cloths to prove his story of swimming, and then made sure they were placed somewhere that would be consistent with his story?

>ThaT is your opinion , right?

> WHERE? Weren't the helicopters there the next morning, in daylight so they could see bodies through that clear water? One would think after some 10 hours a body could drift pretty far from an"area". Remember GG was not like the husband of the latest victim, who was able to tell them EXACTLT where she went down. GG didn't know where RG was pulled under.
.....and all this talk about the body would "have to wash up" WHY? there are reasons body's don't always wash ashore. Nothing is a given.

IMO there are enough things we are questioning to still be ipen to this being an accident. For me anyway.

She supposedly was not out far, in 10 foot of water. The body sinks when you drown. There were no strong currents and once the body starts to decompose in water the body's gases bring it back to the surface. Most bodies are found unless they are out at sea. This was not deep water. No one took her body out a mile or so and dumped her overboard. T. Stein said they fully expected to find her and they found nothing, not her mask, snorkel tube, nothing. LE seemed to be pretty confident that if she drowned in that location they would have found her, given the currents and the drift factor. While not impossible, it's just all too convenient, isn't it. And the article appears to indicate the helicopters were up that night and I believe they would have been as they can be there within minutes, the island is that small.

And, yes, there are reasons such as she never went into the water at that location and may have gone in where the currents were stronger. That location is the southern most part of the western side of the island where the water is calmer and the currents are stronger coming into the island which is why they expected her body to show up. The eastern most side is where the current are very, very strong and a body could be pulled out by those currents. When you are on the eastern coast you do not have to be an expert to see how strong those currents are, the ocean is very, very rough and it is obvious, very obvious. jmo

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

All I am doing is disagreeing with your assumption that GG is guilty because:

1) He has her clothes
2) He said "She should be dead by now" (out of context)
3) Her body has not been found because GG lied about where they went in the water. Therefore she did not wash ashore, and helicopters could not find her.

the article does not make it clear as to WHEN those helicopters searched. Is there a better reference to their air search, because GG said they had not begun searching when he called the insurance company about that, and that was the next day, right?

I understand these are ALL things to consider, but not that they make his guilt evident, that's all. Even you agree there could be other explanations for these things, right? So that is why I try and keep all scenarios on the table.

 

[Niner]

All I am doing is disagreeing with your assumption that GG is guilty because:

1) He has her clothes
2) He said "She should be dead by now" (out of context)
3) Her body has not been found because GG lied about where they went in the water. Therefore she did not wash ashore, and helicopters could not find her.

the article does not make it clear as to WHEN those helicopters searched. Is there a better reference to their air search, because GG said they had not begun searching when he called the insurance company about that, and that was the next day, right?

I understand these are ALL things to consider, but not that they make his guilt evident, that's all. Even you agree there could be other explanations for these things, right? So that is why I try and keep all scenarios on the table.

The bolds - this would be two good items to add to the TimeLine also!!! So, if anyone has that info - I'll add it that!! :seeya:

 

[Dushi]

The bolds - this would be two good items to add to the TimeLine also!!! So, if anyone has that info - I'll add it that!! :seeya:

He also explained why he contacted the insurance company just two days after Gardner's disappearance to inquire about a $1.5 million travel insurance policy he had taken out on Gardner.

http://gma.yahoo.com/gary-giordano-says-swimming-story-true-211223544.html

 

[LambChop]

All I am doing is disagreeing with your assumption that GG is guilty because:

1) He has her clothes
2) He said "She should be dead by now" (out of context)
3) Her body has not been found because GG lied about where they went in the water. Therefore she did not wash ashore, and helicopters could not find her.

the article does not make it clear as to WHEN those helicopters searched. Is there a better reference to their air search, because GG said they had not begun searching when he called the insurance company about that, and that was the next day, right?

I understand these are ALL things to consider, but not that they make his guilt evident, that's all. Even you agree there could be other explanations for these things, right? So that is why I try and keep all scenarios on the table.

It was probably a poor choice of words saying innocent because he had her clothes as I was referring to another post and I admit it is confusing.....even for me when I reread it, lol.

The helicopters fly on a regular basis in Aruba, both commercially and LE's. You see them constantly going up and down that western side of the coast so I do not see a problem believing they were in the air within seconds of a reported drowning. They could have been searching as soon as 10 minutes after it was first reported. We can see pictures of GG standing on the rocks talking to LE and it is still light enough that a helicopter might be able to see a body in the water from their elevation.

As I said the water is pretty clear down there and if she went under in only 10 feet she still should have been there and they should have been able to find her pretty quickly. This happened in the drowning later last year and the woman was located and recovered pretty quickly. It is just harder to find a body when you are not looking in the right place and we know now from numerous witnesses that they did not stay there but left by car which is contrary to what GG stated.

When you have to find "other explanations" for facts that have been provided in the case then what you should be looking at is the totality of the event and how credible it is not trying to find other explanations for what "could" have happened. GG is still a suspect and for a good reason. His story makes no sense.

I never said he was guilty and I certainly have never said I believe he is innocent. So please do not post what you may assume are my beliefs. My believe is that he is lying and my theories about why he is lying, why he is hiding the truth about where they went when they left Baby Beach and what happened to RG. Anything is possible. Isn't the new trend today to try and make an accidential death look like a homocide so you can go on ABC and collect thousands of dollars for photos and an interview???? If it isn't you could sure fool me because there seems to be a lot of it going on. jmo

 

[LambChop]

This is an article I have not seen before. It contains comments from RG's brother Andrew.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...iz-friend-Gary-V-Giordano-claims-drowned.html

 

[Dushi]

I never read this.. or I don't remember


People also quotes an unidentified Ohio couple who said they sat by a couple who matched tattooed Gardner and Giordano on the beach in Aruba July 31 and recommended that they visit Baby Beach, where Giordano later told authorities Gardner disappeared after they were snorkeling. Reports say he told authorities the tide was strong, though weather reports for that day do not support that statement.


http://travel.usatoday.com/destinat...obyn-gardner-on-aruba-comes-up-empty/416348/1