ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - #10

[vlpate]

aruba interview

http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/vi...pkey=61296284-4673-4972-bf16-4633c4b41d35||||

CBS interview

Missing woman's roommate speaks out - YouTube

abc interview

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-ar...gressive-texts/story?id=14279819#.T1kzD3n0S9I

Thank you for finding these. I've seen the second video, but I can't get the beach video to work - probably my computer ;(

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

NANCY GRACE

Possible Motive in Gardner Aruba Disappearance?

Aired August 17, 2011 - 20:00:00 ET



"DR. MARTY MCCARRY, M.D., PHYSICIAN, PROFESSOR OF PUBLIC HEALTH, JOH HOPKINS: It sounds like all of the ingredients of a typical sex crime or some intention to do some harm to somebody. You know creating a narrative where somebody was on sleeping pills would also fit a narrative where somebody was, say, had a Rohypnol or Ativan, one of the sedatives that could go in somebody`s drink or they simply fit a story where somebody wanted to say that they were lost or missing or washed ashore while, say, snorkeling.

So, these all fit together. They sound like ingredients on what sounds to be a sort of, you know, bad intentioned crime of some kind, sexual crime perhaps premeditated where you know this life insurance would explain that maybe there is something more to a simple sexual crime here."

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/17/ng.01.html

Neesaki,

You know both of these statements were made right after Robyn disappeared in August. I wonder if they still believe these are possible motives? We hear very little now. It would be very interesting to have a review of this case now, 6 months later. I mean in the beginning they probably were pretty sure her body would be found and something would back that possible motive up. It really is very sad, we may never know where Robyn is, just like Natalee Holloway, and I thought that was outrageous that a creep like JVS knew where she was, but such a pathological liar no one would ever believe him now.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

It probably means nobody is perfect?

Also from the article:
"Duncan has already decided he wants Stein to chair the committee on money laundering and terrorism that Prime Minister Sarah Wescot-Williams announced on January 11, spearhead the ministry’s efforts on preventing crime, supervising the work of the public prosecutor and handling appeal cases in the criminal court and directly supervise the use of powers that will be given to the police and prosecutor under the law on special investigative powers (Bob)"
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Sounds like a position for someone of high qualifications. Good for him.

Yes, vplate, that was also a statement in that article. ....Still pretty weird to even mention his "weighing" the "Good and Bad" of his record? I mean what does that mean? and did he have to bring it up, your right it's a given no one is perfect. Just makes me wonder about the statements these people make.

 

[Simply Caustic]

There was blood on a towel and his story about how the blood got there was suspect, IMO. According to ALE, a lot of his story was inconsistent. He's a suspect in her disappearance, but without a body, they couldn't hold him in Aruba.


GG was charged with forging documents and plead guilty. Evidence that he could have forged the life insurance benefactor.


GG said they were a perfectly sober couple when they left the restaurant the day she vanished. Where's her body? People don't just drown and disappear within an hour or two...unless
D) A shark ate her
E) Human traffickers zoomed stealthily in and scooped her up.



They held GG in jail for three months for being a "dubious" character? That's all the evidence they had? Would you share with us what Aruban LE shared with you, as far as the evidence they have?



Totally agree.


Actually, she doesn't - GG's record is extensive and includes theft, forgery, and domestic violence - filed by several women.
Robyn's record is irrelevant, but free to examine for anyone interested. Robyn's past behavior, as you stated, good or bad, has nothing to do with her accidental drowning or murder.


Unless swingers killed her, what does this have to do with her disappearance?



BEM: I know this is not insinuating she owed him something, right? BTW, he paid for his trip with points and Robyn paid for her own ticket.



Figure out what? What are we adding up as adults?



Amen to that.



Agreed again. I think she needed to get away and it turned into a nightmare. He came back, she didn't.



BEM: Right?

...and guys who beat up on women never change behavior, they just change women.

Sometimes, the 'thanks' button just isn't enough.

 

[LambChop]

Thanks Sapphire,

There has been more then once you have come to my resuce with confirmation of a statement.

I also see where the St Maartens Justice Minister , Roland Duncan had this to say about Mr. Stein:

"I have weighed the good and bad of his record and the scales weigh in his favor overall":what:

That seems a wierd statement to make, huh? Wonder what the bad has been?

If the statement was originally made in Dutch that might be how it was translated into English. While we might say, "He has an excellent record......" Mr. Duncan stated it differently. There might not be anything we would consider bad in his record other than he appears to be very outspoken in his opinions and that might have been reflected in his performance evaluations.

Could not have been too bad because Mr. Stein was appointed to the position with the "scales weighing in his favor overall." Overall sounds pretty positive to me. jmo

 

[LambChop]

Researching something on your computer is not a crime - and without a body or jurisdiction, no arrest. I'm sure they have his computer information, but they're not obligated to inform us of it's contents unless and until there is an arrest.

JMO

I was thinking of Scott Peterson and how he searched for currents and tides on his computer and that became part of the evidence used against him. If GG was interested in the NH case was he also following SP's case as well and knew not to search on his own computer? jmo

 

[LambChop]

This is from the WS Etiquette and Information Thread which is referenced on the first post of this thread.

"Victim Friendly

Websleuths is a victim friendly forum. Attacking or bashing a victim is not allowed. Discussing victim behavior,good or bad is fine, but do so in a civl and constructive way and ONLY IF IT IS RELEVANT TO THE CASE. Additionally,sleuthing family members that are not suspected of being involved in the crime or disappearance is not allowed. Don't make random accusations or post personal information (even if it is public) like parking tickets, address, or first and last names of all their relatives and their neighbors. Also, never "bash" or attack them, or accuse them of involvement. However that does not mean that family members cannot come into discussion as the facts and issues of the case are discussed. "

 

[katydid23]

I was thinking of Scott Peterson and how he searched for currents and tides on his computer and that became part of the evidence used against him. If GG was interested in the NH case was he also following SP's case as well and knew not to search on his own computer? jmo

I thought it was kind of chilling to hear him telling the mother of that one young model that he had his sights on ---" Don't worry, I promise this won't be a Natalee Holloway situation..."

And wouldn't you know, that is exactly what it ended up being.

 

[Dushi]

This is from the WS Etiquette and Information Thread which is referenced on the first post of this thread.

"Victim Friendly

Websleuths is a victim friendly forum. Attacking or bashing a victim is not allowed. Discussing victim behavior,good or bad is fine, but do so in a civl and constructive way and ONLY IF IT IS RELEVANT TO THE CASE. Additionally,sleuthing family members that are not suspected of being involved in the crime or disappearance is not allowed. Don't make random accusations or post personal information (even if it is public) like parking tickets, address, or first and last names of all their relatives and their neighbors. Also, never "bash" or attack them, or accuse them of involvement. However that does not mean that family members cannot come into discussion as the facts and issues of the case are discussed. "

Has someone been disrespectful IYO??
Scott perterson, Natalee Holloway are not relevant to the case

Robyn is very relevant to the case

Its amazing that no one said a word when all of the unflattering modeling pictures were being posted here
How revelant were they

 

[LambChop]

I thought it was kind of chilling to hear him telling the mother of that one young model that he had his sights on ---" Don't worry, I promise this won't be a Natalee Holloway situation..."

And wouldn't you know, that is exactly what it ended up being.

Funny isn't it how the two places where bodies supposedly disappear in the water without a trace are cruise ships and Aruba. Two places he wanted to take women to and according to what GG stated he always bought large travel insurance policies to "protect" his sons, he claims. Did not feel the need to pay support for them while alive but, of course, death is different. jmo

 

[Dushi]

You have made your point several times today that you do not wish to discuss certain scenarios
I respect that, but would you please just let it rest

It seems to me that nobody is discussing it further

 

[Dushi]

As far as I know there's no real reason to believe RG was involved in any criminal activity at all. It has been speculated by some since the beginning that the possibility existed that she may have played a role in her own disappearance, and some have suggested it may have been a scheme between her and GG.

That is the reason I think that we have chosen to discuss it, simply because it was just another possibility, even if not a strong one.
I even wonder if the judge who released GG believed there was a chance of this, and that maybe that along with the fact that there is no body, factored into his decision that GG could no longer be held.

That was the point, exactly, no stone unturned

 

[LambChop]

Has someone been disrespectful IYO??
Scott perterson, Natalee Holloway are not relevant to the case

Robyn is very relevant to the case

Its amazing that no one said a word when all of the unflattering modeling pictures were being posted here
How revelant were they

Well, of course it could be relevant if they found Aruban currents and tide information on GG's computer and in particular in the Baby Beach area and along the eastern coast. I was answering Vlpate's post about the computers and used SP as a reference. We can do that as long as it relates to our discussion about Robyn.

I don't recall seeing any unflattering pictures of Robyn. She is a model and those pictures are of her. There was nothing wrong with them that I could see and I'm not sure why someone felt they were unflatterning other than that was just their opinion which they are entitled to. I don't know who posted them, or why, but it is a fact that she was a model and maybe the post was discussing that fact. Without reading the post there is no way to tell.

My opinion is that we should stay on the Victim Friendly side with Robyn unless there is proof she was involved in some type of criminal activity. Even in speculation it is a fine line that could get crossed very easily. And if anyone is unsure about discussing it just ask a MOD. It's what they are there for. Myself, I'm just uncomfortable thinking the family reads here so I will not engage in any wild speculation when it comes to any victim unless there is proof of wrong doing on their part. But that is just me and this is just my opinion.

 

[LambChop]

I believe it is still a topic of discussion because we are all discussing it. It's just my opinion only, no other instructions needed as I can think for myself as I'm sure everyone else here is capable of doing, too.

 

[Dushi]

Well, of course it could be relevant if they found Aruban currents and tide information on GG's computer and in particular in the Baby Beach area and along the eastern coast. I was answering Vlpate's post about the computers and used SP as a reference. We can do that as long as it relates to our discussion about Robyn.

I don't recall seeing any unflattering pictures of Robyn. She is a model and those pictures are of her. There was nothing wrong with them that I could see and I'm not sure why someone felt they were unflatterning other than that was just their opinion which they are entitled to. I don't know who posted them, or why, but it is a fact that she was a model and maybe the post was discussing that fact. Without reading the post there is no way to tell.

My opinion is that we should stay on the Victim Friendly side with Robyn unless there is proof she was involved in some type of criminal activity. Even in speculation it is a fine line that could get crossed very easily. And if anyone is unsure about discussing it just ask a MOD. It's what they are there for. Myself, I'm just uncomfortable thinking the family reads here so I will not engage in any wild speculation when it comes to any victim unless there is proof of wrong doing on their part. But that is just me and this is just my opinion.

Yes lambchop
I am more than aware of your opinion
You have stated it many times today
I thoroughly and completely understand

Now, why don't we get back to the reason we are here
This kind of distracts from that reason, don't you think?

 

[Dushi]

I believe it is still a topic of discussion because we are all discussing it. It's just my opinion only, no other instructions needed as I can think for myself as I'm sure everyone else here is capable of doing, too.

I am sorry but with all due respect, other than Neesakis brief explanation, the only time it has come up is with or after your reprimands

And yes, I do believe we are all capable of forming opinions and thinking for ourselves

Can we move on please?

 

[katydid23]

I think things are getting tense here because nothing is happening, no new info, and the case seems to be going cold. But we all want the same thing here, and that is the truth and for justice to be carried out. :rose:

 

[Dushi]

aruba interview

http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/vi...pkey=61296284-4673-4972-bf16-4633c4b41d35||||

CBS interview

Missing woman's roommate speaks out - YouTube

abc interview

http://abcnews.go.com/US/missing-ar...gressive-texts/story?id=14279819#.T1kzD3n0S9I[/QUOTE]


Thank you for finding these links

I knew the video was discussed a few days back

This quote sisn't come out correctly but I am Thanking ElleyMae as she was the one to find the above links

 

[neesaki]

Neesaki,

You know both of these statements were made right after Robyn disappeared in August. I wonder if they still believe these are possible motives? We hear very little now. It would be very interesting to have a review of this case now, 6 months later. I mean in the beginning they probably were pretty sure her body would be found and something would back that possible motive up. It really is very sad, we may never know where Robyn is, just like Natalee Holloway, and I thought that was outrageous that a creep like JVS knew where she was, but such a pathological liar no one would ever believe him now.

It is very frustrating that it has been so long since any media attention has been given to Robyn's disappearance. I agree, it would be interesting to have an updated review of the case by some of the professionals that followed it in the beginning stages. Maybe this hasn't happened because of the lack of any further information released by Aruba LE or for that matter, the FBI. Whatever the reason, that doesn't make it any less frustrating. :maddening:

 

[LambChop]

I am sorry but with all due respect, other than Neesakis brief explanation, the only time it has come up is with or after your reprimands

And yes, I do believe we are all capable of forming opinions and thinking for ourselves

Can we move on please?

Whoa. I'm not reprimanding anyone. What I posted is on the front page of this thread posted by a MOD? It was only meant to remind people that this is a victim friendly thread, that is all. It was not intended towards any poster whatsoever just the topic. If you are offended by my post I'm sorry but this is the way I feel and frankly I have not heard anything since that convinces me that RG was involved in any way, shape or form in her disappearance. If someone has something I'd like to see it. We have a "Rumor's" thread for that very reason, do we not?

I'm ready to move on so let's do it and I'd appreciate no more of the "personal" comments to me such as "after your reprimand". As I said if there is a question if we are headed into a gray area we can always ask a MOD. I just have a different opinion, that is all.