ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - #11

[Blueskies]

The man suspected of living in SA disappeared in 1995 and is the last person on the list of the missing. I never said MD as living in SA. How would I know that???? I will tell you one thing, and it is my opinion only, that was my first thought about the pedophiles and I'm shocked LE let this man go home in Max's case. All I reported was what was listed on the site and it's speculation even on this site, they are missing. If we knew where they were they wouldn't be missing. You read articles and some speculate a person was blown out to sea. I certainly don't know if it's true but it's worth considering even if it's to have someone come forward and say it's not true. lol But, again, this subject is way off topic. I'm sorry for what Max's mom has had to endure.

As for my comment about the man snorkeling I was referring to GG's statement on GMA about human trafficing being the #1 money maker in Aruba. That was my point only. jmo

My apologies if you were not talking about Max De Vries. I assumed since you have been going to Aruba so long you heard it through the Aruban grapevine or read it in the local papers about the insurance scam and hiding him in Brazil. You should have seen the articles and comments about it even making it to Bon Dia,Amigoe and rumors spread by Aruban reporters on many of the blogs and Aruban tourism sites back in 2004 and 2005.

Max's Mom just lost her husband not to long before she lost Max and her and her son deserved better. After days of constantly asking her to let her son Jet Ski she finally gave in on the last day and yes she fully feels the two men stalked her son and lied about what happened. Knowing the man had bruises,scratches and was allowed to give conflicting statements..Take a shower and leave the island forever it's very disheartening.

I enjoy your post's and LC and I don't want any hard feelings between me and you. We have such little to go on and it's important to know the facts

 

[LambChop]

My apologies if you were not talking about Max De Vries. I assumed since you have been going to Aruba so long you heard it through the Aruban grapevine or read it in the local papers about the insurance scam and hiding him in Brazil. You should have seen the articles and comments about it even making it to Bon Dia,Amigoe and rumors spread by Aruban reporters on many of the blogs and Aruban tourism sites back in 2004 and 2005.

Max's Mom just lost her husband not to long before she lost Max and her and her son deserved better. After days of constantly asking her to let her son Jet Ski she finally gave in on the last day and yes she fully feels the two men stalked her son and lied about what happened. Knowing the man had bruises,scratches and was allowed to give conflicting statements..Take a shower and leave the island forever it's very disheartening.

I enjoy your post's and LC and I don't want any hard feelings between me and you. We have such little to go on and it's important to know the facts

No, no hard feelings and I can see now why you were confused. No, I was talking about the man who disappeared in 1995.

I never heard about Max disappearing. At the time my own husband was battlling cancer so I was not paying too much attention to the news from Aruba at that time. I was down there in 2005 within days of NH being reported as missing. Again, I am shocked that this man was allowed to leave the island. I really feel bad for his mother as the not knowing must be devastating for her to deal with. Thanks for the info.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

I don't know anything about Max Devries, nor Buddy Larson and it really is off topic here to discuss their cases.

This is a forum and possibilities are permitted to be discussed. I have provided the link regarding the statement the fisherman in the boat gave to LE as reported by MSM. The report is a fact, it exists in the form of a video which was reported by ABC. It is permitted to discuss it here just was it was presented to us. [Mr. Silva is the only person we heard state they left but other witnesses were reported by LE to have stated the same thing. Believe it, or don't believe it, butthere is no proof to date that these witness statement were not given to LE, only that we have not seen them. It standard procedures not to release witness statements to the media and I am surprised LE let GMA view them. GMA claims to have seen them and they are reporting it as a fact.

Again, the fisherman's report is linked above.

This is the only comment I can find after searching that I made about the case you mention bolded above:

"Could LE have declared him dead and not missing because they had to rescue the man? The man's story does not sound right to me. Who goes out that far with a jet ski. You're suppose to stay close to the coastline. If you are out too long they go after you. It's not as if they unintentionally wandered off. Something is just not right with this man's story. jmo"

But comments to me personally need to stop. jmo

BBM by RU:

Ist BBM: The report is not a FACT--only a statement reported by ABC. I would say the "statement", the Report is a fact, is what is validated by the vid.IMO

2nd BBM: "Mr. Silva was the only one that stated they left the beach ..and that is the ONE witness. The term "other" witness " as reported by LE---Until we know for a fact who those "other" witnesses are, Mr. Silva stands alone. IMO

3rd BBM: We have NO proof to date that these witness statements WERE given to ALE, either, do we?

What is interesting ,if we were to take out these "witness statements" from the mix, (because we have no basis of proof how many witnesses have been validated) the discussion of this case would be totally different. Perhaps we should refrain from using the ""witnesse's " as proof of anything? JMO

....and frankly posters are responding to A post by LC, If their response to that Post is seen as "personnel" , How else might it be suggested we post our comments. Perhaps we should just state the Post #? JMO:twocents:

 

[Dushi]

I guess it really doesn't matter if there was one fisherman or three... one witness or four

Whatever they said to LE, if anything ,produced no evidence to charge GG

 

[LambChop]

BBM by RU:

Ist BBM: The report is not a FACT--only a statement reported by ABC. I would say the "statement", the Report is a fact, is what is validated by the vid.IMO

2nd BBM: "Mr. Silva was the only one that stated they left the beach ..and that is the ONE witness. The term "other" witness " as reported by LE---Until we know for a fact who those "other" witnesses are, Mr. Silva stands alone. IMO

3rd BBM: We have NO proof to date that these witness statements WERE given to ALE, either, do we?

What is interesting ,if we were to take out these "witness statements" from the mix, (because we have no basis of proof how many witnesses have been validated) the discussion of this case would be totally different. Perhaps we should refrain from using the ""witnesse's " as proof of anything? JMO

....and frankly posters are responding to A post by LC, If their response to that Post is seen as "personnel" , How else might it be suggested we post our comments. Perhaps we should just state the Post #? JMO:twocents:

GMA claims to have seen the witness statements. They are MSM and we are permitted to discuss whatever they report as fact but it does not mean it's the truth. The only reason we have seen Mr. Silva's statement is because he had not yet spoken to LE. Why would GMA report to have seen the statements given to them by LE when they, in fact, never did? Logic tells you if GMA claims to have seen them, read them and is reporting on them they have first hand knowledge and it isn't as if someone told them about the reports, a representative read them personally.

GMA is also reporting as a fact that they have seen the witness statements and that the statements all agree that GG and RG did not go into the water and they left. Anyone is free to believe Mr. Silva only but that should not prohibit discussion about witness statements that were reported by GMA.

From reports we know one statement was taken from a fisherman right away. T. Stein reported that they knew of another fisherman who had seen them from a boat but had not yet interviewed him and this fisherman was interviewed two weeks later. Mr. Silva was interviewed by GMA three weeks later and claimed not to given a statement as yet to LE. The dive shop owner being right there could have been interviewed that same night, I don't think that is clear. Regardless of how many people saw them leave, no one appears to have seen them in the water splashing around.

Does anyone think it is odd, too, that GG would take an inexperienced person into the ocean without a life jacket on? He could have easily rented one at the dive shop. I know they make you wear them when you go off the ships on a snorkel cruise. jmo

 

[LambChop]

I guess it really doesn't matter if there was one fisherman or three... one witness or four

Whatever they said to LE, if anything ,produced no evidence to charge GG

True. All it would prove is that GG lied about them staying on the beach.

 

[Dushi]

GMA claims to have seen the witness statements. They are MSM and we are permitted to discuss whatever they report as fact but it does not mean it's the truth. The only reason we have seen Mr. Silva's statement is because he had not yet spoken to LE. Why would GMA report to have seen the statements given to them by LE when they, in fact, never did? Logic tells you if GMA claims to have seen them, read them and is reporting on them they have first hand knowledge and it isn't as if someone told them about the reports, a representative read them personally.

GMA is also reporting as a fact that they have seen the witness statements and that the statements all agree that GG and RG did not go into the water and they left. Anyone is free to believe Mr. Silva only but that should not prohibit discussion about witness statements that were reported by GMA.

From reports we know one statement was taken from a fisherman right away. T. Stein reported that they knew of another fisherman who had seen them from a boat but had not yet interviewed him and this fisherman was interviewed two weeks later. Mr. Silva was interviewed by GMA three weeks later and claimed not to given a statement as yet to LE. The dive shop owner being right there could have been interviewed that same night, I don't think that is clear. Regardless of how many people saw them leave, no one appears to have seen them in the water splashing around.

Does anyone think it is odd, too, that GG would take an inexperienced person into the ocean without a life jacket on? He could have easily rented one at the dive shop. I know they make you wear them when you go off the ships on a snorkel cruise. jmo

Up thread it is said she was a strong swimmer

 

[Elley Mae]

GMA claims to have seen the witness statements. They are MSM and we are permitted to discuss whatever they report as fact but it does not mean it's the truth. The only reason we have seen Mr. Silva's statement is because he had not yet spoken to LE. Why would GMA report to have seen the statements given to them by LE when they, in fact, never did? Logic tells you if GMA claims to have seen them, read them and is reporting on them they have first hand knowledge and it isn't as if someone told them about the reports, a representative read them personally.

GMA is also reporting as a fact that they have seen the witness statements and that the statements all agree that GG and RG did not go into the water and they left. Anyone is free to believe Mr. Silva only but that should not prohibit discussion about witness statements that were reported by GMA.

From reports we know one statement was taken from a fisherman right away. T. Stein reported that they knew of another fisherman who had seen them from a boat but had not yet interviewed him and this fisherman was interviewed two weeks later. Mr. Silva was interviewed by GMA three weeks later and claimed not to given a statement as yet to LE. The dive shop owner being right there could have been interviewed that same night, I don't think that is clear. Regardless of how many people saw them leave, no one appears to have seen them in the water splashing around.

Does anyone think it is odd, too, that GG would take an inexperienced person into the ocean without a life jacket on? He could have easily rented one at the dive shop. I know they make you wear them when you go off the ships on a snorkel cruise. jmo

I'm sorry but I am not going to rely on reports and hearsay about fisherman witness's and statements that were made to reporters and not to LE and every link you put up either does not contain the information that is being discussed or will not open and stuff is in the facts section that is hearsay and unconfirmed but said by reporters as info they got from "a witness" that is not fact. jmo

 

[LambChop]

Okay, then we can just keep moving along. jmo

 

[LambChop]

I know and it makes no sense. She supposedly is a strong swimmer, she's 35, in excellent condition and she is missing. GG is 50, overweight and was hampered by wearing heavily soaked sneakers and socks and struggled to get ashore but he made it with only a scratch on his chin/throat area and scrapped shin. Everyone describes her as being a very caring person and certainly she did not sound like the type who would not have helped him get ashore safely. It's not as if at 6pm at night there was anything to see in that water which he describes as being about 10 to 15 feet deep. jmo

 

[Elley Mae]

I know and it makes no sense. She supposedly is a strong swimmer, she's 35, in excellent condition and she is missing. GG is 50, overweight and was hampered by wearing heavily soaked sneakers and socks and struggled to get ashore but he made it with only a scratch on his chin/throat area and scrapped shin. Everyone describes her as being a very caring person and certainly she did not sound like the type who would not have helped him get ashore safely. It's not as if at 6pm at night there was anything to see in that water which he describes as being about 10 to 15 feet deep. jmo

if the part about the chin and shin are by the unsubstantiated witness's did that have to be said. just asking. tia

 

[LambChop]

if the part about the chin and shin are by the unsubstantiated witness's did that have to be said. just asking. tia

I am discussing reports, which I am entitled to do. If someone chooses not to believe the reports that is their prerogative. I choose to believe them and discuss them. If I choose to speculate about certain information I read on MSM I can do that as long as it does not violate TOS. I believe the only unsubstantiated witness story to date that TS admits to is that RG was buried in the pet cemetary. jmo

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Since the ALE have not confirmed or denied any of the "witness" statements, can we really use that same old argument that "the witness's prove GG LIED".

I mean how do we know he lied just because reporters claim that witness statements say one thing. After all is it really permissible to hand over "witness reports" to reporters so they can print what I would think would be confidential.

Perhaps Aruban authorities see nothing wrong with giving out witness statements, and telling some fly -by-night Mr. Silva, "GG was too drunk to interview". Couldn't all of these things compromise the case if it ever goes to trial?

Witness statements just represent what each witness "claims" they saw, somewhere along the line don't those statements and witnesses have to verified? That verification or substantiation is what is missing. People can say anything, and be drunk as a skunk,high on drugs, delusional, or just plan mistaken. Reliable witnesses are hard to find. IMOO

It's like "put up or shut up" if you have the goods on GG arrest and charge his a--?
How long does this get drawn out if they have proved GG lied?:jail:

 

[Elley Mae]

I am discussing reports, which I am entitled to do. If someone chooses not to believe the reports that is their prerogative. I choose to believe them and discuss them. If I choose to speculate about certain information I read on MSM I can do that as long as it does not violate TOS. I believe the only unsubstantiated witness story to date that TS admits to is that RG was buried in the pet cemetary. jmo

That is fine as long as you say it's opinion, but it seems that the quotes you post are with out links, it would seem that the link would be right there that you pick up the quote from, idk just seems odd to me that's all, carry on

 

[LambChop]

I can't find the link but I know there was an interview with T. Stein where he talked about the witness statements and that they had yet to interview the fisherman on the boat and that he was another witness that saw them leaving. This would have been an early interview because the video with the fisherman was taped 2 weeks after RG disappeared. Those other witnesses IMO could have included those people GG talked with on the beach after RG was reported missing. jmo

Is lying to LE during an investigation against the law in Aruba? I don't know. I do know lying to an FBI agent while giving a statement is. But GG hasn't spoken to an FBI agent to my knowledge.

RUKidding, I think Aruba wants a body, remains, something to prove RG is deceased. We can only hope they find something.

 

[Elley Mae]

Since the ALE have not confirmed or denied any of the "witness" statements, can we really use that same old argument that "the witness's prove GG LIED".

I mean how do we know he lied just because reporters claim that witness statements say one thing. After all is it really permissible to hand over "witness reports" to reporters so they can print what I would think would be confidential.

Perhaps Aruban authorities see nothing wrong with giving out witness statements, and telling some fly -by-night Mr. Silva, "GG was too drunk to interview". Couldn't all of these things compromise the case if it ever goes to trial?

Witness statements just represent what each witness "claims" they saw, somewhere along the line don't those statements and witnesses have to verified? That verification or substantiation is what is missing. People can say anything, and be drunk as a skunk,high on drugs, delusional, or just plan mistaken. Reliable witnesses are hard to find. IMOO

It's like "put up or shut up" if you have the goods on GG arrest and charge his a--?
How long does this get drawn out if they have proved GG lied?:jail:

Exactly. Ashleigh bancroft telling us what the fisherman told her or better yet told her assistant out and about 2 weeks after the fact finding a fisherman, (probable at the bar) and saying that they are in town for the missing woman then sergio telling a story. and this makes headline/msm news. I ain't takin the bait jmo

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Exactly. Ashleigh bancroft telling us what the fisherman told her or better yet told her assistant out and about 2 weeks after the fact finding a fisherman, (probable at the bar) and saying that they are in town for the missing woman then sergio telling a story. and this makes headline/msm news. I ain't takin the bait jmo

Elley Mae,

IMOO---You are absolutely right in this line of thinking! Thanks

 

[Elley Mae]

First I read this

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/wor...e-mail-active-missing-report-article-1.948599

Gardner's travelling pal reported her missing on Tuesday, Aug. 2, but Forester said her e-mail account was active on Wednesday and Thursday.

 

[Elley Mae]

http://arubaherald.com/court/1746-c...quest-to-extend-gary-giordanos-detention.html

This will not be a request for arrest, but for him to be present during the court case.

 

[Dushi]

http://arubaherald.com/court/1746-c...quest-to-extend-gary-giordanos-detention.html

This will not be a request for arrest, but for him to be present during the court case.

very interesting!
First time I have read this