ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - #11

[Dushi]

So good to hear from you again IslandSurfer. Very interesting that you have met and talked with the author, Mr. Putkowski. He sounds like a good man, especially if he has actually been out searching for Robyn. I have to say I'm impressed.

I'm disappointed to hear that the Aruban police are no longer interested in Robyn's disappearance, but can't same I'm too surprised either. The only information I was able to garner from the new prosecutor, Peter Blanken was basically no information, that is "The investigation is still going on. There is a close cooperation between local police and FBI, but there is nothing special to tell." Not very reassuring really. This was back in May.
By the way, your messaging and typing is just fine, we are just happy that you are staying in touch as an Aruban local who cares about Robyn's case. :seeya:

Did I not read that Aruban LE were going to the US to talk to FBI?
That doesn't really sound like disinterest or doing nothing, if that report was correct

JMO



To go to USA for FBI consultation case Gardner
WEDNESDAY, 20 JUNE 2012 09: 42
ORANJESTAD — the public prosecution service (OM) will soon with the FBI in the United States talking about the matter-Robyn Gardner. "There is a number of research questions at the FBI plotted on which we will have," Chief Prosecutor Peter Blanken tells to Amigoe.

Also the FBI has questions about the State of affairs of the research and the results which it has posted. The forthcoming visit to the American authorities has nothing to do with the recent demand of prime suspect, according to Gary Giordano. "Coincidentally falls to visit together," says spokesperson Ann Angela. Giordano complains the insurance arm of American Express. The company life insurance of the u.s. refuses namely Robyn Gardner to pay out. Gardner disappeared without trace during a vacation on Aruba last year August.

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Spokesperson Angela tells that the visit to the US is not uncommon. "We have very regular contact with the FBI. But also with the DEA (Drug Enforcement Administration). That is very important for us. " To the question what is the reason for the visit, spokesman says that it is a logical stage in the investigation. "We are almost a year further. We want clarity about the plotted search queries. " Wrote last year that it had a request Amigoe deposited with the United States and had more questions about phone information of both under the victim as the suspects. Which research questions are still open, could give no reply thereto a Chief Prosecutor Whites this morning.

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/B...dium=twitter

 

[Dushi]

It just dawned on me that Putkowski's new book, Dark Currents, is a novel based on actual events. When IslandSurfer mentioned a while back about an author writing a new book about this case, I was thinking it would be a true crime book. Anyway, seems to be getting good reviews, I just ordered it. Interesting bio too, apparently has a good following. Also a Trailer for the book.

I have to think that it probably really burned GG's you know what when he found out about Putowski's book, hehehe :smile:. Maybe why he decided to write his own, to take away some of the sting I guess. About like KC writing her own book.
Hard to see any decent publisher publishing anything by GG, but we'll see. I so really, really hope they all just laugh in his face.

Amazon.com: Daniel Putkowski: Books, Biography, Blog, Audiobooks, Kindle

http://www.danielputkowski.com/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y11ASe-n4WQ&feature=youtu.be

I guess that would be one I wouldn't read (GGs)
Besides, according to him, he knows nothing so what would he tell us other than perhaps how misunderstood he is .

Daniel Putkowski is an decent author
I have read and enjoyed two of his books based in Aruba, An Island away and Under A Blue Flag
I have also ordered this new one.

 

[neesaki]

I guess that would be one I wouldn't read (GGs)
Besides, according to him, he knows nothing so what would he tell us other than perhaps how misunderstood he is .

Daniel Putkowski is an decent author
I have read and enjoyed two of his books based in Aruba, An Island away and Under A Blue Flag
I have also ordered this new one.

Same here, I wouldn't read GG's either, even if it were given out for free. And as you say, what would he put in a book but that's he's really just a poor, misunderstood good ole boy. Oh, and of course that he is completely one hundred percent innocent . He should have passed on the television interviews maybe, perhaps he could have at least sold his story to National Enquirer :giggle: .

I am just a few pages into Putkowski's new book; surprising so far but sounds like it's going to be interesting.

 

[neesaki]

Did I not read that Aruban LE were going to the US to talk to FBI?
That doesn't really sound like disinterest or doing nothing, if that report was correct

JMO



To go to USA for FBI consultation case Gardner
WEDNESDAY, 20 JUNE 2012 09: 42
ORANJESTAD — the public prosecution service (OM) will soon with the FBI in the United States talking about the matter-Robyn Gardner. "There is a number of research questions at the FBI plotted on which we will have," Chief Prosecutor Peter Blanken tells to Amigoe.

Also the FBI has questions about the State of affairs of the research and the results which it has posted. The forthcoming visit to the American authorities has nothing to do with the recent demand of prime suspect, according to Gary Giordano. "Coincidentally falls to visit together," says spokesperson Ann Angela. Giordano complains the insurance arm of American Express. The company life insurance of the u.s. refuses namely Robyn Gardner to pay out. Gardner disappeared without trace during a vacation on Aruba last year August.

<snip>

Spokesperson Angela tells that the visit to the US is not uncommon. "We have very regular contact with the FBI. But also with the DEA (Drug Enforcement Administration). That is very important for us. " To the question what is the reason for the visit, spokesman says that it is a logical stage in the investigation. "We are almost a year further. We want clarity about the plotted search queries. " Wrote last year that it had a request Amigoe deposited with the United States and had more questions about phone information of both under the victim as the suspects. Which research questions are still open, could give no reply thereto a Chief Prosecutor Whites this morning.

http://www.microsofttranslator.com/B...dium=twitter

This link worked when it was first posted, now I can't get it to work. Anyone else with this problem? TIA

 

[Sapphire]

it's not working for me either.


Here's a translation of the Dutch article from Amigoe. You need a password to access their website.


ORANGE CITY - The Public Prosecutor (OM) will soon be in the United States with the FBI talking about the case Robyn Gardner. "There is the FBI deported a number of research which we will have," said Chief Peter Blanken the Amigoe. The FBI has questions about the status of the investigation and the results that the OM has been made. The forthcoming visit to the U.S. authorities has nothing to do with the recent requirement of the prime suspect Gary Giordano said the OM. "Coincidentally, the visit of the OM is this together," says spokesperson Ann Angela. Giordano complained to the insurance arm of American Express. The company refuses namely the life of the American Robyn Gardner to pay. Gardner disappeared without a trace last August during a vacation in Aruba. She had recently completed a life for her trip worth $ 1.5 million. Giordano is registered as a beneficiary. Justice assumes that Gardner is no longer alive. Giordano Travel Partner is the prime suspect in the disappearance and presumed death and several months spent in custody. In the absence of evidence, however, he was released and flew back home to America.

Spokesperson Angela says that the visit to the U.S. is not uncommon. "We have very regular contact with the FBI. But even with the DEA (Drug Enforcement Administration). This is very important to us. "When asked what the reason for the visit, said the spokesperson that it is a logical stage in the investigation.*

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http://www.amigoe.com/aruba/116287-om-naar-vs-voor-fbi-overleg-zaak-gardner

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[Tugela]

I guess that explains why Aruba LE came to the conclusion that they did: that according to the conditions on that day and time, there were no rip currents to pull her out to sea, leaving the wave action that would have pulled her toward the shore.

Or, alternatively, Aruban LE were talking to people who don't know about that sort of stuff. They probably just looked at the water and said "oh, calm, so the body couldnt have been washed out".

But, as I have pointed out repeately, calm water does not equal safe water. The carribean current is just off shore. It is unlikely that there is no turburbence, and there is certainly no way they could say for sure that there wasn't any. You can't see these things from the surface, the water might look calm but underneath it is moving and flowing.

If the sea was calm it would not have been possible for a body to have washed ashore, so if they were expecting that then they must have been getting information from someone who doesn't understand water.

Have a look here to see what the locals have to say about that area, once outside of the baby beach bay. Read post 9 of that thread. Let me quote it for you:

Baby beach is just that but once outside the confines of the protective barriers, the rip is deadly. Some years ago, a dentist was just a few yards outside the barrier and they found him about a mile off shore. Another close call.

 

[Sapphire]

And from articles I have read, the bodies of those who have drowned "outside the confines of the protected barriers" have been found.

 

[Dushi]

"I write fiction, so I had no interest in speculating on what really happened," Putkowski explains. "Rather, I wanted to explore the affect the media can have on high-profile cases. My goal was to create a compelling story of a man and woman whose assumptions lead them down a deadly path." From the beginning, Gardner&#8217;s disappearance had all the elements of a gripping thriller--details that didn&#8217;t quite add up and national media attention on a suspect who had arranged for an insurance policy that could make him a very rich man.

http://www.openpr.com/news/226518/M...uba.html?SID=937672f4b98eff232751e37ee080ce3b

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

I just do not know how understanding currents can be used as a tool to convict a person of lying , let alone murder. There are so many variables at any one minute of the day that come into play that would make all the difference in some of the assumptions being made, and let's remember that assumptions are all that can be made until there is some help from a higher being than any of us.

I just don't know what happened to Robyn Gardner, but if she was disposed of in the same way Natalie Holloway was, then maybe one day they will both be found ....along with some other mysterious disapearrences. I say this because say what you will about Aruba, it's people, it's hospitality, etc...there is somewhere on that island or coastline that swallows people whole, and until they find Robyn or Natalie, I may visit this beautiful island but hell if I will ever place a toe in their cool blue waters.

Perhaps they should investigate the existence of an "Aruban Triangle"----I mean it is not like these women fell off a ship in the middle of the Ocean, right ? More than likely I am inclined to believe human trafficking has something to do with their disappearance.
Consider the last people these young women were seen with : Joran and Gary, it's like the old saying "guns don't kill people, people do" and what a messed up twosome these "people" are.

What is overwhelming for me is to consider how many missing young men and women we have right here in the US .....and we are geting no where with them either, and some of these cases are as cold as ice after 10 years.

 

[redheadedgal]

sorry for the OT-- can someone tell me where amy bradley's thread is now (from the 90s forum)? i can't find it. thx.

 

[neesaki]

sorry for the OT-- can someone tell me where amy bradley's thread is now (from the 90s forum)? i can't find it. thx.

Has been temporarily pulled.

 

[Tugela]

And from articles I have read, the bodies of those who have drowned "outside the confines of the protected barriers" have been found.

If he was found a mile off shore he wasnt going to get washed back. He didn't drown, they found him, but if he had drowned, they probably would never have found the body.

 

[Sapphire]

If he was found a mile off shore he wasnt going to get washed back. He didn't drown, they found him, but if he had drowned, they probably would never have found the body.

That is your opinion and speculation.

According to Giordano, he and Robyn were snorkeling near the shore. He claims a strong current pulled Robyn out to sea.




Taco Stein disputes Giordano's claim. Based on Stein's claim, why would the rules of nature, currents and ocean tides be different for Robyn?


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"Stein says that the few times there were drownings at Baby Beach, the tides kept the bodies near shore, where they were soon found. Calm waters and a lack of wind that evening also suggest that an inert body would have washed ashore."

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20523225,00.html




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He's being held in an Aruban prison pending the investigation, with Stein saying authorities have found discrepancies in Giordano's story.

"His statements to police were that the water was rough, that there were waves, wind and a strong current, as he said," Stein said.

"That didn't work out with what police saw at the moment they came to the beach that evening.

"The sea was calm, there was no wind and we found out later that there was no current. That story didn't hold."


http://www.radaronline.com/category/tags/taco-stein

 

[MatthewPI]

Any reason why Amy Bradley's discussion was pulled ? I find it one of the most fascinating cases ever -- and I was confident that those brothel pictures were indeed her with no doubt.

Is their possible senesitive news on her ??

(sorry OT)

 

[Dushi]

That is your opinion and speculation.

According to Giordano, he and Robyn were snorkeling near the shore. He claims a strong current pulled Robyn out to sea.




Taco Stein disputes Giordano's claim. Based on Stein's claim, why would the rules of nature, currents and ocean tides be different for Robyn?


<snip>

"Stein says that the few times there were drownings at Baby Beach, the tides kept the bodies near shore, where they were soon found. Calm waters and a lack of wind that evening also suggest that an inert body would have washed ashore."

http://www.people.com/people/archive/article/0,,20523225,00.html




<snip>

He's being held in an Aruban prison pending the investigation, with Stein saying authorities have found discrepancies in Giordano's story.

"His statements to police were that the water was rough, that there were waves, wind and a strong current, as he said," Stein said.

"That didn't work out with what police saw at the moment they came to the beach that evening.

"The sea was calm, there was no wind and we found out later that there was no current. That story didn't hold."


http://www.radaronline.com/category/tags/taco-stein

They were not swimming at Baby Beach
I also question Steins remark, "the few times" . IMO there have been far more than a few drownings at Baby Beach

As far as the body coming ashore, I simply don't know what the statistics are.
How many people have drowned, How many bodies came to shore
I can't wrap my head around the currents and rip tides etc

 

[neesaki]

Any reason why Amy Bradley's discussion was pulled ? I find it one of the most fascinating cases ever -- and I was confident that those brothel pictures were indeed her with no doubt.

Is their possible senesitive news on her ??

(sorry OT)

There were some issues and conflicts concerning certain posts that had been made. I was told it would be back up, not sure when though. Hope this helps.

 

[neesaki]

They were not swimming at Baby Beach
I also question Steins remark, "the few times" . IMO there have been far more than a few drownings at Baby Beach

As far as the body coming ashore, I simply don't know what the statistics are.
How many people have drowned, How many bodies came to shore
I can't wrap my head around the currents and rip tides etc

I'm assuming that the natural ocean waves as small as they may have been, are what would have brought Robyn's body to the shore, as, according to Aruba LE there were no currents in that area at that time, to pull her body out. I'm no expert, but all oceans have waves that originate further out at sea, regardless of whether there's wind or not at or near the shoreline.

 

[Sapphire]

They were not swimming at Baby Beach
I also question Steins remark, "the few times" . IMO there have been far more than a few drownings at Baby Beach

As far as the body coming ashore, I simply don't know what the statistics are.
How many people have drowned, How many bodies came to shore
I can't wrap my head around the currents and rip tides etc

They were swimming right next to Baby Beach, so I would think Stein was familiar with that general area and the conditions that day.

If Robyn was in an impaired or intoxicated state (from the mixture of Ambien and alcohol,) I don't believe she would have gotten that far away from shore to drift away with a supposed current.

 

[Skully]

They were swimming right next to Baby Beach, so I would think Stein was familiar with that general area and the conditions that day.

If Robyn was in an impaired or intoxicated state (from the mixture of Ambien and alcohol,) I don't believe she would have gotten that far away from shore to drift away with a supposed current.

Wasn't his hair dry on the video of him at the hotel? I don't believe they were swimming, they may have been there, but after that she was placed somewhere else. He could have buried her anywhere, miles from where they were. JMO

 

[Sapphire]

Wasn't his hair dry on the video of him at the hotel? I don't believe they were swimming, they may have been there, but after that she was placed somewhere else. He could have buried her anywhere, miles from where they were. JMO

I don't believe Robyn was in the water based on what her family and friends have said about her. And I don't believe Giordano's story either.