ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 2

[Elley Mae]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/20/earlyshow/saturday/main20094961.shtml



They plan to release a photo of the couple's rental car, in the hope someone remembers seeing the two together.

 

[RocNYchick]

There is for that too, so that can't be what it means.

i took it to mean snuff. Especially when they said they couln't tell if she was alive.

 

[annalia]

But, bondage and choking are relatively common in , so they wouldn't be "beyond pornographic". I think that is either a misquote or diliberate sensationalism from the reporter, so the officials who have spoken about it don't seem to see it as unremarkable. Maybe the fact that the source was dutch and the report was english caused some sort of translation error? (IMO this is allmost certainly what happened)

What does "beyond pornographic" mean anyway?

My bolding

But the report wasn't in reported in Dutch and then translated to English so I don't see that as the reason. Also don't see a misquote, saying beyond pornographic isn't all that complicated, most Arubians speak English very well, especially if they're in an official capacity.

Maybe saying that she didn't look like she was under duress was a translation error or a misquote too? Was it a translation error when Stein called GG a mean ? Or when JR said all you can see are organs and can't tell if RG is even awake or if she consented in those pics?

Bondage and choking may be considered common in to you but maybe not considered the norm to whoever said it. Beyond pornographic can mean lots of things, could be as simple as, two people having sex on film is what they considered normal , other than that, like filming just organs is beyond pornographic. Or to them, looked like violent sex depicted in the pics, would be beyond what they perceive as just your run of the mill .

 

[suniskye]

I happen to know 2 VERY wealthy men who are joint owners of a Manpower Professional office. They easily BOTH own homes which cost that much. Big, big bucks, and they are in a small midwestern town, not the much more populated (and expensive) east coast. They are owners, not merely managers of the business. Not sure if Mr. Giordano is an owner???

One article I read named him as CEO but didn't give the name of the agency.

I guess there's big money to be made in that business.

 

[suniskye]

My bolding

But the report wasn't in reported in Dutch and then translated to English so I don't see that as the reason. Also don't see a misquote, saying beyond pornographic isn't all that complicated, most Arubians speak English very well, especially if they're in an official capacity.

Maybe saying that she didn't look like she was under duress was a translation error or a misquote too? Was it a translation error when Stein called GG a mean ? Or when JR said all you can see are organs and can't tell if RG is even awake or if she consented in those pics?

Bondage and choking may be considered common in to you but maybe not considered the norm to whoever said it. Beyond pornographic can mean lots of things, could be as simple as, two people having sex on film is what they considered normal , other than that, like filming just organs is beyond pornographic. Or to them, looked like violent sex depicted in the pics, would be beyond what they perceive as just your run of the mill .

In my mind "beyond pornographic" means it is not something you'd see on a normal site. The nature of it is something you do not see often. Course, that's just what I translate it as.

I am hoping that the FBI finds something on the tapes and computers they took from his home that would be telling as to just what he was into. Whatever happened in Aruba, I don't think he would have erased tapes and erased his hard drive before he left ... so, it's quite possible whatever the FBI finds from his home will tell alot more about GG and who knows, they could find child on there and then if he's released from Aruba he'll be turned over to the feds. That is a federal crime.

From what I have heard about the man so far, I feel he's into things that we don't hear about often although alot people are. I just hope they find something to hold him with until they get to the bottom of it all.

I cannot believe that no one has come forward, other than the staff where they ate lunch that day, to say they had seen the two of them out and about.

 

[Elley Mae]

That to is what has surprised me, the fact that no one vacationing there at the same time has said that they saw them. Just seems that someone would have seen them, especially so because of RG's tattoo on her arm. That to me would be an eye catcher. I have a tat and love to look at tats, I would not have forgotten that tat on RG's arm.

 

[AngelFish]

The "clothing optional / nude" beaches

Public nudity of any kind is illegal and insulting to the Aruban people. However, there are many very secluded small beaches along the northeast coast, some requiring a 4 wheel drive vehicle to reach, where you may be alone and do as you wish, subject to interruption at any time by 4-WD or horseback tours. There are no facilities of any kind nearby and the surf is extremly rough and dangerous for swimming.

A possible explanation for the term "beyond pornographic" - just a thought.

 

[HatesSociopaths]

A man who was fishing on the beach says Gardner and her companion Gary Giordano left the beach without going in the water.* The witness says the two drove off and didn't return to the beach.

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localn...ss-delayed-search/ySXn08_AXEm_iLWUjq9CkQ.cspx

 

[Jo in Calif]

I think that more is being read into the "beyond pornographic"
If she knew there was going to be some kind of photo shoot, while they were there, nude shots would be , shots of a couple having sex, would be .
Close ups of the actual act, showing nothing but the organs, would be "beyond ," I would think, to the person viewing the photos. They would also be zoom shots, I wonder if there was another person taking the photos?

 

[Dushi]

That to is what has surprised me, the fact that no one vacationing there at the same time has said that they saw them. Just seems that someone would have seen them, especially so because of RG's tattoo on her arm. That to me would be an eye catcher. I have a tat and love to look at tats, I would not have forgotten that tat on RG's arm.

A couple vacationing there did see and speak to them the day R and G arrived
There was nothing outstanding about the chat

 

[HatesSociopaths]

The witness told police that he saw the tourists walking on the beach at 4pm, but that they drove away without swimming in the ocean, reported ABC News.
He said that after they left, he never saw the couple again.
The witness statement is yet another piece of evidence that points to inconsistencies in Giordano's account of events.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ness-tells-police-couple-did-water-Aruba.html

 

[Cuoco7]

Where is it said that they are outdoor photos? Wouldn't one assume that they were probably taken in the hotel prior to them leaving room at 1230pm?

 

[HatesSociopaths]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ness-tells-police-couple-did-water-Aruba.html

 

[annalia]

I think that more is being read into the "beyond pornographic"
If she knew there was going to be some kind of photo shoot, while they were there, nude shots would be , shots of a couple having sex, would be .
Close ups of the actual act, showing nothing but the organs, would be "beyond ," I would think, to the person viewing the photos. They would also be zoom shots, I wonder if there was another person taking the photos?

That's what I think, but you said it much better.

Sex on film, in whatever position meets their fancy, could be considered . Filming just organs, we don't know that there was but, if there was any bondage, choking etc, would be considered hard core , beyond .

Not that I'm a connoisseur or anything, ha.

 

[annalia]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ness-tells-police-couple-did-water-Aruba.html

Is that Giordano, the bald guy?

If the witness is correct, this could be a good break in the case.

 

[concentric]

Where is it said that they are outdoor photos? Wouldn't one assume that they were probably taken in the hotel prior to them leaving room at 1230pm?

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You're right, it is very vague. I will have to go back and retrieve the quote, but I believe Taco Stein said something to the effect that:

"It appears that the photos were taken on Aruba"
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And, so what does that mean? Here are some options to choose from:

Outdoor landmarks or features being particular to Aruba
Time recorded taken--during the time they were in Aruba
Indoor features of rooms, buildings, etc. being particular to Aruba

Or a combination of the above

 

[suniskye]

Maybe Robyn thought they were going to do an outside photo shoot that day and that's why she was in a bikini at lunch. If they were going to do any kind of nude photos, she wouldn't have thought anything about going to a secluded rocky area on the island to do that.

 

[HatesSociopaths]

Did Gary mess up his hair with some splashes of water to make it look like he had been snorkeling? Wouldn't he need to take out his hair piece before going into the ocean?

Is this evidence that Gary never went into the water?

 

[concentric]

Witness Pokes Holes in Suspect's Story

Looks like someone poked holes, very large holes, in the toupee.

Let the sun shine in.

 

[suniskye]

Witness Pokes Holes in Suspect's Story

Looks like someone poked holes, very big holes in the toupee.

Seriously, he's just gross.

They said he was sweating like a pig when they picked him up at the airport and that reviewing videos around the island was hard because of the change of toupees. You can't swim with a toupee on. Disgusting.