ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 4

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  • #481
Several days ago I made a post, and then deleted it because I thought it might be too graphic or upsetting.

The question I had was:

If investigators think that sharks may have consumed the body, are they looking to capture sharks in the area to find out if there are any body parts in their stomachs?

Yesterday, I read an article about a young man who while bodyboarding in Australia, was attacked by a shark and died.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/australasia/bodyboarder-killed-in-shark-attack-2349186.html

A shark bit the legs off a bodyboarder at a popular surfing spot in western Australia, killing the man, police said. Authories were reportedly searching for the shark as well as the man's missing limbs.
 
  • #482
My bolding

A leak is a leak.

Even though TS stated they wouldn't release any more information about the photos, a local reporter who had specific details must have been told by investigators but that isn't an unauthorized leak?

Personally viewed or not viewed the information could only have come from police, or the original source was inside police and made its way thru other sources to her. It doesn't change the fact that it was leaked.

I don't see the analogy. Making a general announcement about RG's disappearance and getting specific details that were never officially released isn't the same.

And then by the same token, ABC has reporters there as well, so we can make the same assertion that info was coming from inside the pd, whether it was accurate or not is another issue.

TS never said that there was no investigator or no one inside the PD that told an ABC reporter, he said that the info wasn't in the inverstigation. Big difference between the two.

How do we know Julia Renfro didn't make it up? I didn't follow the NH case as closely as this one, but other posters on here have - maybe they can help on this. It appears from a glance over NH websites that Julia Renfro has a poor track record on accurate reporting with the NH case. What is her story? Is it possible that ABC Alexa Miranda is using Julia as her source? Is it possible that Julia told Alexa that she got to look at the witness statements? Is Julia the source of chaos for the reporting in both the NH case and this one?

ABC News reviewed witness statements given to Aruban investigators by Gardner's family and friends. A female friend of Gardner told investigators that Giordano, 50, and Gardner, 35, had previously planned a vacation together but Gardner backed out because of Giordano's "scary behavior."
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The witness statements also reveal more about Gardner. A friend and family member told police she was a "sneaky drinker," according to the witness statement.
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The family member who told police she drank heavily said she was close to confronting Gardner about her allegedly excessive drinking.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/robyn-gardner-met-aruba-suspect-gary-giordano-swingers/story?id=14418807
 
  • #483
Let's look at that. If it came from the FBI, that means that the information was in the police files. Does that make TS a liar? Did the FBI leak it all to the ArubaHerald? Or will the FBI now be accused of just making it all up?

Was it the FBI that showed Julia the pictures?

Sorry but I don't find anything coming from Glenda credible.

JMHO

Is the poster "Glenda" on another site Julia Renfro? How were you able to establish that? Looking at her posts, it does appear it could be her. The person is in Aruba. What can you tell me about this? Thanks.

ETA:
http://faithnfriends.14.forumer.com/a/julia-renfro_post144.html
 
  • #484
Since the last TimeLine is posted back a few pages, and I've made a couple changes (added Sunday, July 31st - late afternoon time).

TimeLine (approx)
July 2011
- Robyn sends GG a text "Get me out of here." Per a report. there is a fight just prior to leaving for Aruba between GG and RF.

Sunday, July 31st - Flight time from Maryland to Orlando is about 1 1/2 hours. Given the time they would have needed to be at the airport for security, my guess-timate is that they were at the airport no later than 6am.
9am – Orlando Airport: ABC News has seen receipts that revealed that the couple ordered four Bloody Marys at 9 a.m. at the Orlando Airport on their way to the island,
?? Arrive at hotel - and that the two bought a liter of Ciroq vodka after they checked into their room at the Marriott Hotel in Aruba.
Sunday, July 31, late afternoon - I met Robyn and Gary on the beach in front of the Marriott Stellaris Hotel. They had arrived on that day. My husband and I sat and spoke with them for awhile. They asked my husband and I about activities on the island.... Was shocked to see that this had happened, since we just spoke with them last Sunday, late afternoon. I am sure it was Robyn because I commented on her tattoo, indicating that I liked it. Didn't think they went together as a couple, as he was much older. She was also sitting kind of far away from him on the beach chair. She was nice. We were actually discussing the Natalee Holloway case. I will pray for her return.

Monday, August 1st - GG and RG bought bottle of vodka this day, per reports. Nothing else reported as of 9-2-11 of their time spent for day.

Monday, August 1st – 5:02pm – Facebook comment: “the 16. I can communicate here.”

Tuesday. August 2nd – 2:05am - Facebook comment left on RF's wall by Robyn: "This sucks."

Tuesday, August 2nd – 6:51am - Prime murder suspect Gary Giordano, who friends said she met on a swingers sex site, is thought to have threatened to kill her while grabbing her by the neck and shoving her into an elevator on August 2 - the last day Miss Gardner, 35, was seen alive. The videotape from the Marriott Resort in Aruba allegedly shows the two having a furious and violent fight on the day she went missing. A source close to the investigation told the National Enquirer: 'They were having a major fight. Robyn was waving her arms and shouting at Giordano. He was grabbing her arms and jerking her around and shouting back at her. 'Then Giordano apparently realized their argument was heating up in public where someone might overhear them. He violently grabbed the back of Robyn's neck with one hand and shoved her back into the elevator with the other hand.' The source said lip-readers believe Robyn was shouting at Mr. Giordano: 'I'm out of here. I'm leaving. I'm not spending another minute with you,' while he yelled back: 'Get back here! I'll kill you!'

Tuesday, August 2nd – 7:57am - Facebook: RF to Robyn: “?? InBox me”

3:06pm - Arrived at restaurant – Seen on camera entering restaurant.

3:10 pm - Robyn sends RF a Facebook message 'Don't worry. I care about you I love you we'll talk and sort things out when I got back,' Reportedly went to bathroom after entering restaurant.

~4:13 pm - Robyn is last seen (leaving restaurant). A man who works near Baby Beach reported seeing their vehicle park up by the rocks close to the water, wondered why they chose there to go snorkeling. A fisherman comes forward and says that GG and RG never went into the water. Gardner was last seen alive Aug. 2 at the Rum Reef Bar & Grill in the Baby Beach area of Aruba with Gary Giordano - approximately 4pm. Giordano, 50, and Gardner, 35, had traveled to Aruba together. He is being held in an Arubian jail but could be released today. Giordano claims that Gardner got swept out to sea when the two went snorkeling

~4:22pm - Approximately 10 minutes after leaving restaurant a fisherman reportedly saw Giordano and Gardner leaving a beach together, and said they did not get into the water.

6:02pm - Giordano reportedly is seen in surveillance video, tapping on closed shutters of the bar – per “sources” even though it has been mentioned that there are NO cameras in the back of restaurant.

~6:20pm - GG reportedly headed to the back kitchen of the bar and told someone to call police. Three witnesses, two women and a man, told police that Giordano approached them on Aug. 2, saying, "Can you help me? We were snorkeling and my girlfriend is missing," she told police. One woman told police that while Giordano's sneakers were wet, his shorts were not. When Giordano reported Gardner missing, he seemed extremely drunk, a local fisherman, Sergio Silva, told ABC News, although Giordano told police that the two never purchased alcohol at the restaurant.

6.23 pm - 911 received notification of a possible drowning of a woman. The traveling companion of this woman, a man G.V.G. stated that they were going snorkeling behind Nanki Country Club. At 6:23 p.m. on the day of her disappearance, police were called, and 20 minutes later began to search the area. Then, Giordano left the search to return to his hotel and take a nap, according to police. Disclaimer: This claim, at 6.40 GG went for a nap, not true, there are various pics of GG helping the police in the dark, pics where it is completely dark, it takes till 7:30 for it to get dark, so GG was not taking a nap at 6:40, he still was working with the police at least at 7:30.

Wednesday, August 4th - Robin’s mother arrives.

Wednesday, August 4th – original date to fly back

Friday, August 5th - Three days after the search for Gardner began, Giordano got within feet of leaving the country before he was stopped at Aruba's airport where he told U.S. Customs he had to change flights because of weather, and told officials that his travel companion was "taking another flight." He was trying to board a flight one hour earlier than his scheduled departure. When arrested, authorities say Giordano was drenched in sweat. Mug shot after being arrested trying to get on a plane off the island.

Wednesday, August 31st – GG detained in jail for another 60 days
 
  • #485
My bolding

A leak is a leak.

Even though TS stated they wouldn't release any more information about the photos, a local reporter who had specific details must have been told by investigators but that isn't an unauthorized leak?

Personally viewed or not viewed the information could only have come from police, or the original source was inside police and made its way thru other sources to her. It doesn't change the fact that it was leaked.

I don't see the analogy. Making a general announcement about RG's disappearance and getting specific details that were never officially released isn't the same.

And then by the same token, ABC has reporters there as well, so we can make the same assertion that info was coming from inside the pd, whether it was accurate or not is another issue.

TS never said that there was no investigator or no one inside the PD that told an ABC reporter, he said that the info wasn't in the inverstigation. Big difference between the two.

How is information about the photos a leak when Taco Stein spoke on camera about the photos?
 
  • #486
I going to go outside the box some will not agree. I thought do I want to post my theory... and I say Why Not it just theory.

This case has seem fishy (not meant has a punt) from the beginning. IMO

Things just don't set right for me. In my theory this was insurance scheme that went wrong. I am not sure why it went so wrong but I think they thought the plan was going to be lot easier.

Get Robyn on the boat to another vacation spot wait around for authorities to call her death accidental.
Collect insurance money, split with Robyn and she got a new life.

I hope I right and this was scheme.
Who get Insurance for a travel week trip for 1.5 millions?

IMO
 
  • #487
Just reading thru the timeline--

Sun- July 31- after checking in buy 1 liter Ciroq Vodka}
Mon- Aug 1-buy Another bottle of Vodka }that is a lot of liquor!

Mon-Aug 1-5:02 pm-"the 16. I can communicate here"
(have we figured out what this message meant?)}text

Tues-Aug2-2:05 am-"this sucks" (perhaps this is after "the Photos" }text

Tues-Aug-2 7:57 am--RF to RG-(??In box me) }text
3:06 pm--RG to Rf- (we will work things out text) }text


Tues Aug-2 4:13 pm--1st sighting-behind bar-parked near rocks
( fisherman wonders why snorkel there?)
4:22 pm--2nd sighting--(fisherman never sees them in water

6:03pm--GG taps on shutters in back of bar
6:20pm---GG also in back of restaurant (kitchen) Asks tourists
to call Police.

So GG has perhaps 1hour to 1 1/2 hours to make RG disappear?
Has it been stated GG had visited Aruba before? because if not how would he know where to take her to dispose of her. Had he not known the island, where could one drive, kill,dispose of a body, clean up, and be back at 6:03 to begin knocking on shutters and asking for help. That is a very minimal amount of time , especially if never in Aruba before.

If nothing of what Robyn wore in the last photos were found, perhaps as someone mentioned she was handed off for human trafficking. Wonder if there were any boats in that area during that time?

......and what does "the 16. I can communicate there" mean:waitasec:
 
  • #488
really like to know if boat was in that area.
 
  • #489
really like to know if boat was in that area.

Maybe not in that area, BUT, at their hotel - YEP! The Ren is on a Marina. Anyone could get on a boat there and it would not look "weird".
 
  • #490
Maybe not in that area, BUT, at their hotel - YEP! The Ren is on a Marina. Anyone could get on a boat there and it would not look "weird".

It seems they were not staying at the Renaissance but at the Marriott on Palmbeach.
 
  • #491
I have a question.

Does anyone here knows how much Giordano paid (if he was the one paying for it) for this alleged travel insurance (plus additonal accidental death insurance) on Robyn Gardner?
 
  • #492
I going to go outside the box some will not agree. I thought do I want to post my theory... and I say Why Not it just theory.

This case has seem fishy (not meant has a punt) from the beginning. IMO

Things just don't set right for me. In my theory this was insurance scheme that went wrong. I am not sure why it went so wrong but I think they thought the plan was going to be lot easier.

Get Robyn on the boat to another vacation spot wait around for authorities to call her death accidental.
Collect insurance money, split with Robyn and she got a new life.

I hope I right and this was scheme.
Who get Insurance for a travel week trip for 1.5 millions?

IMO
I like this theory lots! The trouble would be with the people on the boat - how much to trust someone also involved with the crime you're trying to perpetrate? The players here might have been a bit naive as to what they were getting themselves into, if, truly, this were a scam, as neither comes across as especially savvy enough to consider the ramifications of an action. What would stop those on the boat from disposing of the one they pluck off the island, and then blackmailing their way to all of the insurance money? Not much.
 
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  • #494
I'm pretty sure they were at the Ren.

Why are you so sure of that?

The clip showed of their room was not the Renaissance.

If you have other information I would be interested since the coverage about where they were staying was not clear, untill the clip was showed. IMO
 
  • #495
I have a question.

Does anyone here knows how much Giordano paid (if he was the one paying for it) for this alleged travel insurance (plus additonal accidental death insurance) on Robyn Gardner?

https://www295.americanexpress.com/travel-insurance/home.do?aetiSource=G&extlink=pa-aeti-G

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$598 if the reports are accurate that he got the annual plan and the 1.5 million dollar premium upgrade.
 
  • #496
Why are you so sure of that?

The clip showed of their room was not the Renaissance.

If you have other information I would be interested since the coverage about where they were staying was not clear, untill the clip was showed. IMO

I've heard it reported on HLN, as well as photos that show the Ren. I have heard it reported that it was one of the PALM beach Marriott's too.

My point was about the Marina, but there is a boating warf at the Surf Club/Palm beach too.
 
  • #497
  • #498
Where is that "Shark Pit" anyway? That seems to be an easy out. Even Joran(Urin) hinted that our own Natalee insisted on going to visit. I always found that very strange that young Natalee would encourage those boahs to take her to a "shark pit".
 
  • #499
I heard on the news today that the attorney for this guy that supposedly did something to this woman has filed to get his client released immediately. Any Aruba news specialists here that can confirm this?
 
  • #500
Some questions I have if anyone has info:

1. Why doesn't the Aruba Herald website say who wrote their articles? Is Julia Renfro connected to that website in any way?

2. Why did (or would) People Magazine accept Julia Renfro as a reliable source? A cursory look into her background with a google search reveals much inaccuracy in her reporting on the NH case.

3. Why does People Magazine not name Julia in their article? This is something that would have been done, one would think, unless Julia had wanted to remain anonymous, right?

The most recent shocker was the discovery of graphic photographs on Giordano's digital camera. The images, a source tells PEOPLE are "beyond pornographic."


originally posted Wednesday August 17, 2011 07:30 PM EDT

BY NICOLE WEISENSEE EGAN AND JEFF TRUESDELL


http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20520711,00.html

4. Nicole has a 20 year background in investigative reporting, and has covered some famous stuff. Is it possible she had a better source than Renfro?

5. Why did People only use that part of Julia's statement? Or was that a different source?

REPORT: ‘Beyond Pornographic’ Photos Of Robyn Gardner Found In Suspect’s Digital Camera

Alexis Tereszcuk - Radar Senior Reporter


Police have also discovered naked photos of Robyn with Giordano on his digital camera, and the pictures are “beyond pornographic,” according to People magazine.

“You only see organs,” Julia Renfro, the editor-in-chief of Aruba Today said, explaining that it was unclear if the acts were consensual. “You don’t know if she is awake. There are other pictures where she is posing naked.”

Posted on Aug 18, 2011 @ 11:00AM


http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...-robyn-gardner-found-suspect-s-digital-camera


6. How did Radar know the source (if it was Renfro for People) when it isn't stated in the People article? How did they get those other comments she made? Did they reveal a source that had asked to remain anonymous? Or did they get their own interview with Renfro (but if so, why would she be ok with her name being used here, but not with People magazine)

7. Is it possible Renfro made it up, using what was already known from the People magazine article that the images are "beyond pornographic"? Does she really have a source in ALE? Has she ever been accurate in her reporting, in this or the NH case? Honest question.

8. Speculating that she did make it up, is it possible that ALE came down on her after this report and it is why she has been invisible ever since, except posting as Glenda on another forum? She loved the media spotlight in the NH case it appears, there are lots of interviews to find via google. Is she now just wreaking havoc with lies by way of being an anonymous "source" for ABC and others?

MOO.
 
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