ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 4

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  • #641
One of the reasons i still lean towards murder is the blood comment
It was reported early on that blood had been found near the rental car

He then added that she stubbed her toe and was bleeding
He seems to modify his story as needed
 
  • #642
If he was planning to drown her as you claim, he would have sounded out the plan to go swimming, so there is absolutely no question whatsoever that he would have known about them if it was an issue.
After all, he had essentially the same thing and faced the same issues (whatever those might be). Now, I don't know much about hair extensions (my limited research shows that they either clip in or are bonded to the real hair, after which they can be treated like real hair - is that correct?), but it seems to me that unless she was planning on not washing her hair at all (unlikely) then she would have had some method to deal with them and water. In any case, what makes you think she had them on? Based on the word of some guy who wasn't even there and thought she was somewhere else?

This is what CJ said: "The latest People magazine quotes Gardner's roommate, a hairdresser who put in the hair extensions that she said Gardner was careful about getting wet, as saying the 35-year-old is not one to snorkel as Giordano says she did.

"Women that spend $1,000 (per treatment) on hair extensions don't go in the ocean, because it destroys them," roommate Christina Jones told the magazine."

http://travel.usatoday.com/destinat...obyn-gardner-on-aruba-comes-up-empty/416348/1

Regarding GG getting in the water, he has an EBay acct that shows he likes to scuba dive, and per reports, he brought snorkeling gear to Aruba. Whatever the situation is with his hair piece, he apparently has a solution for it. With RG, there is no indication she has such a solution.

I think it is possible that GG did not know RG had extensions, simply because she never told him and he never detected them.

Your argument about her being on land still doesnt hold water (excuse the pun). If he said she was lost at sea and she is found on land he is fried. Why on earth would anyone in their right mind take that risk?

Because he knew he would be fried if the body was found. The theory is that he strangled her, which is detectable by forensics.

But if she was lost at sea and he says so, then she will be found there (if she is found) and his story is sound.

Not if the body shows she died by strangulation and not drowning. The body had to be hidden. Putting her body in the water is a crap shoot on whether it floats back to shore or not.

And if she was lost on land then he would say that too, because if she was on land the chances are that she would be found quickly. He is not familiar enough with the island to know where to hide her so she wouldn't be found. Remember, for your theory to be correct, all of this would have to have happened in probably not more than an hour. That is kind of a tight schedule to be so unprepared and to take such a risk.

If she is on land his cover story would include that, because she would be found and his story would at least possibly be plausible.

Again, my theory rests on the idea that the cause of death was strangulation and would be detectable by forensics, thus the body needed to be hidden and a story would have to be concocted to make it appear RG was lost at sea so the body was not searched for on land. There is vast desert area in south Aruba, lots of places to put a body that no one would come across unless part of a search team.

Fit's the profile of a sexual murderer? Since when? That is wishful thinking on your part.

According to the book by the best in the business, former FBI Robert Ressler, Sexual Homicide - Patterns and Motives, on page 70 he says the critical personal traits of a sexual murderer are:
Social Isolation
Preference for autoerotic activities
Fetishes
Rebellious
Aggressive
Lying
Entitlement
On the same page, he says their actions towards others include:
Assaultive behaviors
Burglary
Abduction
Rape
There is evidence of such behavior in GG's past that has come out.

On one hand you propose that he is doing this for financial reasons, then you throw the "sexual murderer" part in, apparently because he is allegedly involved in the swinger scene (not sure how that makes him a "sexual murderer", but it's your theory, not mine). So which is it? It can't be both.

The motive to go to Aruba with RG was to murder her, make it look like an accidental death, and collect the 1.5 million. However, the job was "given" (by GG himself) to a heavy drinker boozed up and not able to control the situation to carry out the plan of drowning her in the water (mainly because RG didn't want to.) It was also given to a man who had fantasies about the victim, and who wanted a piece of her before killing her. He got to take pornographic photos of her, got to have sex with her, and he was ready to execute the kill. He got drunk to build up enough nerve to do it, and then the plan fizzled when she didn't want to go in the water. Angry and frustrated, they drove away from the beach. A heated argument ensued, he got violent, choked her and had his way with her. Now he had a problem - the body shows a cause of death that isn't drowning.

The fisherman. Well, ok, how about this then. You say that this fisherman saw both of them drive away. Why on earth would he remember details like that? Do you remember the finer points of someone you saw in passing, of no apparent interest, a couple of days later? Who does that? Was there something particularly remarkable about them? You would think that he would be paying attention to whatever fishing he was doing, not paying close attention to the activities of all the tourists who wander by. And if he just had a vague recollection of someone being there, and then later someone driving away, what he saw could have been just about anything.

The camera that shows the Hyundai probably shows GG's vehicle at other times in those 2 hours. Otherwise, why search Seroe Colorado? We don't have all the details of this investigation by a long ways. And apparently there is more than one witness who saw them drive away. One fisherman said they drove the wrong direction on the road, which would be memorable.

What is your theory? I enjoy the dialogue. This theory of mine is simply that - a theory based on what is known. I have a hard time believing RG was ever in the water. This is how I explain what may have happened. It could be wrong. The main value in this kind of speculation is that it offers the possibility that she could be on land, and that a thorough search should be done. Whether or not he knew about the extensions, or whether or not he raped her, really doesn't matter. What matters is that it appears he is responsible for her death and that the body should be located.
 
  • #643
I haven't seen evidence that points to an insurance scam plotted by the two of them. It just doesn't seem plausible to me.

They would have had to be awfully sure when they were plotting it in the US that they would find someone in Aruba with a boat and that person would keep their secret. She would have had to have known that they wouldn't have gotten the money right away, where did she think she would be hiding out until then?

How did she get off of the island and where would a boat take her? She couldn't have snuck on a cruise ship, the security would be too tight. They would have had to make reservations under their names in wherever the ship's origin was in the US. We've seen that GG was financially strapped, he used Marriott points and we don't know if he used frequent flier miles for their flights or paid with cash or cc, how would he have paid enough to guarantee that a random third person in Aruba would stay quiet?

If she was in on it, she didn't think anything of it when he made his mother the beneficiary on his policy and not her? But he was the beneficiary on hers?

JMHO
 
  • #644
Or, maybe meeting up w/ his human trafficking contact in the desert or in one of those deserted shacks.

IMO, agree. I've posted throughout here that I think GVG had multiple plans for his use of RG.

And, as HatesSociopaths posted, I think that if the teenage girl had gone to Aruba, she would have been a victim.

Again, back to: Why hasn't a body been found?
 
  • #645
I don't think insurance scam is any more far fetched than human trafficing
Still need a third party, a way off the island
 
  • #646
I don't think insurance scam is any more far fetched than human trafficing
Still need a third party, a way off the island

I do believe that you are correct. IMO, GVG had what would be considered multiple plans that could be interpreted as being farfetched.

As we discussed earlier, Joran Vandersloot also had what some people would consider "farfetched" plans.
 
  • #647
I don't think insurance scam is any more far fetched than human trafficing
Still need a third party, a way off the island

How did they plot the scam then?

I don't believe that it was human trafficking.
 
  • #648
How did they plot the scam then?

I don't believe that it was human trafficking.

IMO - Online. The computer forensics may be able to tell the tale of his diversity of interests.
 
  • #649
How did they plot the scam then?

I don't believe that it was human trafficking.



I don't know if they did, or how
As I stated above, I am still leaning towards murder

And I don't believe human trafficing

But I think all things need to be considered
As HS said earlier, we know very little about this case
 
  • #650
IMO - Online. The computer forensics may be able to tell the tale of his diversity of interests.

Do you mean plotted it out online with RG being involved in the scam?
 
  • #651
ABC is showing in today's video that a Change of Beneficiary Form was filled out again allegedly by RG on 7-27-11. So there are two forms: one in May, one in July.

Here are the two signatures for those Beneficiary Forms:

rgsig727.jpg


signaturerg.jpg
 
  • #652
actually, he would dry quickly after leaving the water, his suit etc
And yes, he would be sweaty whether "doing away with her OR looking for her

That's another thing that bothers me, how could he have been looking for her on land, when he claimed she had gotten swept out to sea? He would have to be looking in the water. Plus, the climate in Aruba is very arid and not that hot (just come to Texas). I just don't see him sweating that much if he had just been in the beach area.
 
  • #653
From what I have read, his suit was dry, his shoes were wet

How far is it from the spot he says they entered the water to the bar?

Don't know, but he had a car, why would he walk from the beach to the bar to get help if he could drive?
 
  • #654
ABC is showing in today's video that a Change of Beneficiary Form was filled out again allegedly by RG on 7-27-11. So there are two forms: one in May, one in July.

Here are the two signatures for those Beneficiary Forms:

rgsig727.jpg


signaturerg.jpg

Those two signatures look very different.

JMHO
 
  • #655
I didn't go back to check so I'm just going by my recollection, didn't the reports state that he was dripping with sweat at the airport, not at the beach?

I believe it was both. Maybe he's more than just a very bad man, maybe he's a very, very sweaty bad man.
 
  • #656
That's another thing that bothers me, how could he have been looking for her on land, when he claimed she had gotten swept out to sea? He would have to be looking in the water. Plus, the climate in Aruba is very arid and not that hot (just come to Texas). I just don't see him sweating that much if he had just been in the beach area.

The way I read it, he wasn't looking for her on land, he was looking for help or said he was.

And, I am sorry, I disagree about Arubas climate, it is very hot, very close to equator

The temperatures don't get up to in the hundreds, but the sun and heat is intense
 
  • #657
ABC is showing in today's video that a Change of Beneficiary Form was filled out again allegedly by RG on 7-27-11. So there are two forms: one in May, one in July.

Here are the two signatures for those Beneficiary Forms:

rgsig727.jpg


signaturerg.jpg

Here is a better look at the full beneficiary form for May:

bform511.jpg
 
  • #658
Has it been reported anywhere whether or not a hand writing analysis has been or is being performed to see if there was any forgery?

HS, since you are in contact with RF, that may be a question to ask him. He would probably have something with her signature on it somewhere.
 
  • #659
IMO, agree. I've posted throughout here that I think GVG had multiple plans for his use of RG.

And, as HatesSociopaths posted, I think that if the teenage girl had gone to Aruba, she would have been a victim.

Again, back to: Why hasn't a body been found?

Right, and why does GG seem so certain it won't be found?
 
  • #660
Two completely different signatures. This is pretty bush league.
 
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