ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 5

[Niner]

Just wondering if anyone watched the re-enactment - and if they gave any kind of "timeline" for events?? Just wanted to make sure "our" timeline is accurate!

TIA! :seeya:

 

[parker38]

I don't think the free trip was in her mind. I'm just thinking this way but
I think the acceptance had more to do with her relationship with RF
than it did traveling with GG.
We really don't know what was on the mind of these 3 people.
Did Richard seem sincere on the tv talk shows. Or is he good at holding
back anger. We know nothing about his personality or what his reactions
are to events. The only thing I see in my opinion is someone who isn't
showing much reaction when his 'girl' is missing and has gone away
with another man.

As far as RG goes, no clue as to what makes her tick. Is she unsure
of what she wants in life? Was she getting back at RF for some reason?
Was he as important in her life as he claimed she was in his?
And GG? Is he just crazy like a fox OR just 'stuck on stupid' when it
came to this plan?
lol Now I've confused even myself!!
I guess my point is there is NO information except the fact that two
of those people went to Aruba and one of them is missing!!

As far as the photos go, I believe that is open to anyone's interpretation.
Now, to me, RG looks caught off guard and reacting to the camera flash.
GG looks like he saw this photo coming and decided to be a goof ball.

There is just to many unknowns with these three people and I
believe WHAT their last interaction was with one another was a
deciding factor in what happened jmo

RG is not around to tell us. GG is a liar and I don't think we know
enough about the few people that have come forward regarding
them.

Of course this is just my opinion and another thought that hit me!
Sorry if this came up earlier here on the board.

 

[Dushi]

I don't think the free trip was in her mind. I'm just thinking this way but
I think the acceptance had more to do with her relationship with RF
than it did traveling with GG.
We really don't know what was on the mind of these 3 people.
Did Richard seem sincere on the tv talk shows. Or is he good at holding
back anger. We know nothing about his personality or what his reactions
are to events. The only thing I see in my opinion is someone who isn't
showing much reaction when his 'girl' is missing and has gone away
with another man.

As far as RG goes, no clue as to what makes her tick. Is she unsure
of what she wants in life? Was she getting back at RF for some reason?
Was he as important in her life as he claimed she was in his?
And GG? Is he just crazy like a fox OR just 'stuck on stupid' when it
came to this plan?
lol Now I've confused even myself!!
I guess my point is there is NO information except the fact that two
of those people went to Aruba and one of them is missing!!

As far as the photos go, I believe that is open to anyone's interpretation.
Now, to me, RG looks caught off guard and reacting to the camera flash.
GG looks like he saw this photo coming and decided to be a goof ball.

There is just to many unknowns with these three people and I
believe WHAT their last interaction was with one another was a
deciding factor in what happened jmo

RG is not around to tell us. GG is a liar and I don't think we know
enough about the few people that have come forward regarding
them.

Of course this is just my opinion and another thought that hit me!
Sorry if this came up earlier here on the board.

IMO, a very good post

I agree with your thoughts

 

[Micheline]

Strange, but it looks like the tattoo on Robyn's lower arm is different as in previous pictures:

 

[Just-a-Guy]

Strange, but it looks like the tattoo on Robyn's lower arm is different as in previous pictures:

Ya know, it does kinda. I hadn't thought of this before, but is it possible these tattoos were temporary tattoos? If that were the case, she could easily elude identification by simply removing them and making a few other changes.

... Nah, too farfetched.

But ... they do look different, and the odd thing is, the older pic seems to show a bigger, more complete tattoo. You can easily go from small to big, and people do it all the time (adding to existing tatts). But going from more to less ain't so easy.

 

[parker38]

Strange, but it looks like the tattoo on Robyn's lower arm is different as in previous pictures:

I think it may be the angle of the camera capturing a different
side of the arm. If I recall, there was more of the tattoo on the
inside of the arm.

Also some people keep adding on to an existing tattoo. Not sure.
I need to go look at more pics.

 

[parker38]

Ya know, it does kinda. I hadn't thought of this before, but is it possible these tattoos were temporary tattoos? If that were the case, she could easily elude identification by simply removing them and making a few other changes.

... Nah, too farfetched.

But ... they do look different, and the odd thing is, the older pic seems to show a bigger, more complete tattoo. You can easily go from small to big, and people do it all the time (adding to existing tatts). But going from more to less ain't so easy.

No, Just-a-Guy, not to farfetched to me. I never gave that much
thought but you could just be right!

 

[Micheline]

I think it may be the angle of the camera capturing a different
side of the arm. If I recall, there was more of the tattoo on the
inside of the arm.

I thought that too at first, but the location looks different (close to the elbow versus further away from the elbow) and the lettertype looks different too.

Also some people keep adding on to an existing tattoo. Not sure.
I need to go look at more pics.

I agree but it does not look as if there has been added upon the tattoo. IMO

 

[Dushi]

No, Just-a-Guy, not to farfetched to me. I never gave that much
thought but you could just be right!

I have given it a lot of thought, thanks to a friend
I may have mentioned it
Seems far fetched

Who knows

 

[annalia]

Strange, but it looks like the tattoo on Robyn's lower arm is different as in previous pictures:

It looks like it is the camera angle. One is shot on the side and the top of her arm, the other is underneath, the bottom of her arm/armpit. You can see where the starfish is started on the pic on the right but you can't see the rest of the top of her arm, that part of her arm is hidden. The photo on the left, you see the starfish on the top.

Also, there's been discussion that she was wearing the same dress, those two dresses look very similar but not the same dress.

JMHO

 

[Dushi]

It looks like it is the camera angle. One is shot on the side and the top of her arm, the other is underneath, the bottom of her arm/armpit. You can see where the starfish is started on the pic on the right but you can't see the rest of the top of her arm, that part of her arm is hidden. The photo on the left, you see the starfish on the top.

Also, there's been discussion that she was wearing the same dress, those two dresses look very similar but not the same dress.

JMHO

Has it been verified that the pic was taken in Aruba?
I thought it was taken on a beach trip with RF

 

[lonetraveler]

The Dutch have a strong influence in Aruba because it was originally ruled by them. The native Arubans are very nice and friendly. I do not gamble and always said I worked too hard for my money to throw it away. I, too, never wanted to go there but my husband talked me into it. That was almost 30 years ago. He passed seven years ago and I still go. I am sometimes there by myself but feel perfectly safe. The same people return every year to the small resort condo where I stay and it is very quite and peaceful. The beach and the aqua waters are my favorite. Dining there is an experience from getting a hamburger at McDonald's to an expensive Argentine beef steak at El Gaucho which is to die for. It is safe there and if you look in your paper today and see where someone was shot and killed locally the chances of you seeing that in Aruba are slim to none.

The govenment is run differently there and follows the rules of the Dutch government. It's not that they are lazy, it's a matter of their procedures, rules regarding evidence are different than ours. The only way off the island is by boat or plane so if you are involved in an investigation and you try to leave without permission there is a good chance you will land in jail and they can keep you there until a judge decides whether or not you will be charged. My guess is they kept the rock and ipad until the judge made the decision that there was enough evidence to hold him. That is how they do it. My guess, too, is that LE does not make the decision to send the blood samples off to Holland, the judge does.

Just because their rules and procedures are different than ours does not mean they are lazy. They are anything but, as I have seen those officers standing out in the heat 90 plus with their radar guns on the back roads where the locals tend to speed.

Not so easy to prove guilt when there is no evidence which is pretty much what happened to NH.

Also I have been to many other Caribbean islands and I think Aruba is about the safest. Don't let the casinos bother you because you can avoid them and still have a good time. jmo

Lambchop, I enjoy your post and look forward to them, however I have to disagree with you post concerning NH. There was plenty of evidence there, LE did not bring it forth due to a son of a very prominent judge being involved. Totally different scenario than what we are now seeing about this case. I have lived and worked and visited islands like Aruba. You don't know the real island until you go beyond the tourist districts. It's a whole different thing. The Aruban LE totally protected Joran Vander Sloot because he was a local and his father was a judge. Totally different situation than Robyn's. There was plenty of evidence in the Natalie Holloway case, it just was overlooked because of who was involved.

 

[annalia]

Has it been verified that the pic was taken in Aruba?
I thought it was taken on a beach trip with RF

I wasn't saying it was taken in Aruba, just that she had more than one dress that were both very similar. She certainly could have been wearing them both in Aruba.
It would make more sense than she wore the same dress.

 

[lonetraveler]

It looks like it is the camera angle. One is shot on the side and the top of her arm, the other is underneath, the bottom of her arm/armpit. You can see where the starfish is started on the pic on the right but you can't see the rest of the top of her arm, that part of her arm is hidden. The photo on the left, you see the starfish on the top.

Also, there's been discussion that she was wearing the same dress, those two dresses look very similar but not the same dress.

JMHO

These two photos clearly show that these dresses are totally different. Thanks for pointing this out to all of us.

 

[annalia]

Lambchop, I enjoy your post and look forward to them, however I have to disagree with you post concerning NH. There was plenty of evidence there, LE did not bring it forth due to a son of a very prominent judge being involved. Totally different scenario than what we are now seeing about this case. I have lived and worked and visited islands like Aruba. You don't know the real island until you go beyond the tourist districts. It's a whole different thing. The Aruban LE totally protected Joran Vander Sloot because he was a local and his father was a judge. Totally different situation than Robyn's. There was plenty of evidence in the Natalie Holloway case, it just was overlooked because of who was involved.

Yes, Exactly.

 

[Dushi]

Lambchop, I enjoy your post and look forward to them, however I have to disagree with you post concerning NH. There was plenty of evidence there, LE did not bring it forth due to a son of a very prominent judge being involved. Totally different scenario than what we are now seeing about this case. I have lived and worked and visited islands like Aruba. You don't know the real island until you go beyond the tourist districts. It's a whole different thing. The Aruban LE totally protected Joran Vander Sloot because he was a local and his father was a judge. Totally different situation than Robyn's. There was plenty of evidence in the Natalie Holloway case, it just was overlooked because of who was involved.

Ummm if you are going to make a legit argument, you may want to get your facts straight IMO

Paul Vander Sloot was not a judge

 

[Dushi]

I wasn't saying it was taken in Aruba, just that she had more than one dress that were both very similar. She certainly could have been wearing them both in Aruba.
It would make more sense than she wore the same dress.

Would it?

See , it doesn't for me
Two different trips

I don't really see why anyone would compare her clothing on two different trips

the question is.. did
she wear the same dress everyday In Aruba


But You know , again... mo

 

[Just-a-Guy]

These two photos clearly show that these dresses are totally different. Thanks for pointing this out to all of us.

Of course the dresses are different. The pic on the left is not from the Aruba trip. It was taken before the Aruba trip. She likes that style dress, obviously (can't blame her, I'm sure they're comfortable and they are flattering to her).

I can't tell if the tattoos are different. They sure look different. And the earlier one looks bigger...that's what's odd.

 

[lonetraveler]

Ummm if you are going to make a legit argument, you may want to get your facts straight IMO

Paul Vander Sloot was not a judge

Excuse me, but he was titled a "judge in training". In Aruba, this is a very powerful position. On an island such as this, any white man with position has a lot of power. My husband was considered a very powerful man. He was called "fat, round Doctorman". Very, very powerful in that location. I can only imagine what a Judge (in training) would mean to the local folk. I do have a legit argument. What is yours?

 

[annalia]

Of course the dresses are different. The pic on the left is not from the Aruba trip. It was taken before the Aruba trip. She likes that style dress, obviously (can't blame her, I'm sure they're comfortable and they are flattering to her).

I can't tell if the tattoos are different. They sure look different. And the earlier one looks bigger...that's what's odd.

I know, one I think was supposedly taken on a trip with RF.

I would have to go look at the different pics from Aruba to compare, quite possibly she was wearing them both in Aruba, they do look a lot alike.

I think her arm being stretched out in one of the pics makes it look different too. Maybe the other photos from the beach party shows more of her tattoo.