ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 5

[HatesSociopaths]

Not all cell phones work on Aruba
Surely you remember that from the NH case

In 2011 I would expect that situation to have improved. Have we heard that his phone was not working? RG appears to have had a working phone - she messaged RF at 3 pm - why not use hers? I also see the shape of a cell phone in his right pocket before heading into the restaurant with RG. Why bring a phone if it doesn't work?

 

[neesaki]

No idea. I have the same info as everyone else, which isn't much. My guess is money. Either that or they have credible evidence she is not on land. I tend to think the former, though....

Since this post, I did read (on another forum, I think it was) that Aruba doesn't have search dogs, only drug dogs, though I have nothing else to back this up.

 

[HatesSociopaths]

The key words for me are "considering" and "possible"

And the key words from my post should be "my opinion only."

 

[Dushi]

In 2011 I would expect that situation to have improved. Have we heard that his phone was not working? RG appears to have had a working phone - she messaged RF at 3 pm - why not use hers? I also see the shape of a cell phone in his right pocket before heading into the restaurant with RG. Why bring a phone if it doesn't work?

Why borrow one if it works?
Of course, that could be another rumor reported as fact

 

[Dushi]

And the key words from my post should be "my opinion only."

Yes.

Its clear to me that LE has listed any possible charges that could be considered
, imo

 

[annalia]

In 2011 I would expect that situation to have improved. Have we heard that his phone was not working? RG appears to have had a working phone - she messaged RF at 3 pm - why not use hers? I also see the shape of a cell phone in his right pocket before heading into the restaurant with RG. Why bring a phone if it doesn't work?

my bolding

True, and didn't the woman who gave the interview in support of GG say that they were texting when he was in Aruba? If so it looks like both of their phones were working. If he traveled out of the country a lot he would probably know to set up his phone for international calling.

JMHO

 

[Dushi]

my bolding

True, and didn't the woman who gave the interview in support of GG say that they were texting when he was in Aruba? If so it looks like both of their phones were working. If he traveled out of the country a lot he would probably know to set up his phone for international calling.

JMHO

And yet it has been written that he borrowed one
More attention to himself?

 

[neesaki]

Not all cell phones work on Aruba
Surely you remember that from the NH case

I thought I read he borrowed a cell phone from someone on the beach?
So far, there is a great deal of circumstantial evidence
I have yet to read whether the signature is a forgery
Have you read that somewhere?
Do you have a link?

I do remember Richard Forester saying in an interview that he talked to Robyn on her cell phone and he thought it sounded like an international call. So her phone worked on the island. Maybe GG didn't want to use his cell because he knew he didn't want to be tracked and needed anonymity to commit his crime.

 

[kljohnson0458]

Is there anyone else here who thinks this truly could have been an accident and not murder. I just don't see this guy plotting to kill RG. Better yet, maybe I'd better just read and not post. LOL!

 

[Dushi]

Is there anyone else here who thinks this truly could have been an accident and not murder. I just don't see this guy plotting to kill RG. Better yet, maybe I'd better just read and not post. LOL!

Anything is possible
I know so little and what i do know may be rumor
Its very difficult to form an opinion

 

[HatesSociopaths]

Yes.

Its clear to me that LE has listed any possible charges that could be considered
, imo

Considering the major differences in the 2 RG signatures, insurance fraud is evident. This is the major element which points to premeditated murder. TS IMO is considering it because they have evidence of fraud - he would have dropped the idea by now if there was not proof of fraud. The judge sees it too. They know what a monster this guy is. MOO.

 

[Dushi]

Considering the major differences in the 2 RG signatures, insurance fraud is evident. This is the major element which points to premeditated murder. TS IMO is considering it because they have evidence of fraud - he would have dropped the idea by now if there was not proof of fraud. The judge sees it too. They know what a monster this guy is. MOO.

You may be correct
But, if you look at the list of charges , accidental is in there too
They seem to be covering all bases, nothing is provable at this point
Charges would be pressed if they had proof, imo

You see two different signatures,they look different to me too
But I don't think anything is evident until charges are laid

If GG purchased that policy in the US, wouldn't it be the FBI who charged him?
And I agree, if and when it can be proven that he forged her signature, it does point to premeditated if and when they can prove murder.

We have no idea what has been put before the judge, closed session

 

[HatesSociopaths]

You may be correct
But, if you look at the list of charges , accidental is in there too
They seem to be covering all bases, nothing is provable at this point
Charges would be pressed if they had proof, imo

You see two different signatures,they look different to me too
But I don't think anything is evident until charges are laid

If GG purchased that policy in the US, wouldn't it be the FBI who charged him?
And I agree, if and when it can be proven that he forged her signature, it does point to premeditated if and when they can prove murder.

We have no idea what has been put before the judge, closed session

Charges have not been pressed because evidence is still being collected. I see what you see with the signatures, I don't need Aruba to tell me that fraud is visible. If GG come back to the US I am sure that he would be charged, yes.

 

[Dushi]

Charges have not been pressed because evidence is still being collected. I see what you see with the signatures, I don't need Aruba to tell me that fraud is visible. If GG come back to the US I am sure that he would be charged, yes.

So are you saying that they need evidence to charge him?
That they don't have evidence yet?
I think they have circumstantial evidence, but it may not be strong enough for a conviction

As far as the signature, I believe an expert woud make that determination
Several posters here have commented on how different their signature is each time they write it so I think I will wait to see what happens with that before I make my mind up completely

 

[neesaki]

I find it really disturbing that so many people seem to be getting away with murder because they are able to dispose of the body and it's never found (such as in Natalee Holloway case, if she was murdered and not sold) or when the body is discovered, it has deteriorated to the point of no forensic evidence, DNA, etc., such as in the Caylee Anthony case. Unfortunately, it's starting to look like this case is going to end up like this as well, either the former or the latter. The question I have is, and I'm sure there's a really good answer which is why I'm asking it: In cases where there's considerable circumstantial evidence that there is foul play by the alleged perpetrator (such as in the NH case and perhaps in this case) and the body is just "missing", if murder charges can not be brought then why is it that kidnapping charges are never a consideration? If someone could help me w/ this? Thx

 

[AngelFish]

A FB poster just posted a Geraldo exclusive stating that Giordano's family has hired Jose Baez and state that Baez in in Aruba now interviewing witnesses.

 

[neesaki]

A FB poster just posted a Geraldo exclusive stating that Giordano's family has hired Jose Baez and state that Baez in in Aruba now interviewing witnesses.

:sick: Can Baez practice in Aruba?

 

[concernedmother]

Let the circus begin. I feel sorry for Robyn's family and friends.He will probably use R like he used GA.

 

[HatesSociopaths]

So are you saying that they need evidence to charge him?
That they don't have evidence yet?
I think they have circumstantial evidence, but it may not be strong enough for a conviction

As far as the signature, I believe an expert woud make that determination
Several posters here have commented on how different their signature is each time they write it so I think I will wait to see what happens with that before I make my mind up completely

I am saying they are still in the evidence collection stage. A body would help get a conviction and a longer sentence. They are also hoping to get a confession. I don't mind the wait, it makes GG agonize over his fate - the wait is torture for his heavy heart. Let him suffer.

This will have a good outcome. It takes time.

Regarding the signatures, I got that sometimes we sign things with slight variance at times. The character of the signatures are markedly different and an expert will weigh in on that publicly soon. MOO. I don't have to wait to make up my mind, you can of course. If TS had not said insurance fraud was a charge they were considering, if GG did not have this in his recent history, I would be less sure. As it stands, I am confident that insurance fraud is the heart of this case.

MOO.

 

[annalia]

Considering the major differences in the 2 RG signatures, insurance fraud is evident. This is the major element which points to premeditated murder. TS IMO is considering it because they have evidence of fraud - he would have dropped the idea by now if there was not proof of fraud. The judge sees it too. They know what a monster this guy is. MOO.

my bolding

Not necessarily. In Aruba a person can be held on just suspicion, detaining him without charging him while they continue to investigate.

At the end of this 60 days he may still get released. Look at van der Sloot.

JMHO