ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 5

[HatesSociopaths]

In Aruba, Baez can serve in an advisory role and provide other assistance but he cannot argue in court, Lopez said. “If my client wants me to share all information with Baez, I will do so, even though his role will be that of a consultant,” he said.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...tourist-case/2011/09/13/gIQApyPZQK_story.html

GG first chooses Aruba (JVS got away with murder) then JB (who helped FCA to get away with murder). Could it be that GG wants to get away with murder too? :snake:

 

[HatesSociopaths]

JB can only do so much. GG thought he was clever in choosing Aruba. Now he faces interrogations with no attorney present, and confinement with no bail or charges filed yet. Plus the trial has these ground rules:

TRIAL

Suspects have right to trial within a reasonable period of time.

Public hearing

No trial by jury, but by a professional judge

No plea-bargaining

No death penalty

No permission required by the prosecutor from the court to go to trial

Indictment presented, at the prerogative of the prosecutor, after investigations have taken place

Defense will have chance to cross-examine witnesses before an examining judge.

Maximum sentences: (i) Life imprisonment; or (ii) limited time. Section 11 Criminal Code

Maximum sentence of limited time sentence is 20 years i.e. 15 plus 5.

Life sentencing has been issued in the past by the Courts.

Death sentence abolished since late 1800's and since then no serious attempts to re-instate same.

Role of the examining judge: (i) during pre-trial to independently examine the legality of procedural aspects and well-being of suspects; (ii) upon instruction of the trialing judge to examine or cross-examine witnesses at request of defense; cannot take the role of a trial judge.

Examining judge as a rule not the same individual as trialing judge, to ensure objectivity and impartiality.

http://www.aruba.com/explorearuba/islandfacts/law.aspx

 

[Magdalyn]

Not if you were panicking you wouldn't. You would swim like crazy for shore, as would 99% of everyone else.

Please don't speak for me, I can assure you, even when panicking, I'd take 1/10th of a second to glance over my shoulder to see if you were dead, alive, or ahead of me so that maybe you could go for help for me.

Do you have link that shows how 99% of how people react in a riptide when in the ocean with a partner?

Second, can anyone show me a link where GG stated to LE that they were caught in a riptide, swimming in a panic, swimming for their lives? :waitasec: Articles I've seen indicate GG stated that the water started to get rough, he tapped on her leg, signaled they should head in, swam to shore... oops! She's gone.

Never once have I read that he stated he/they were swimming for their lives trying to break out of a riptide.

Last, I'm never going to buy "99% react this way in blah blah blah situation...." I've just watched a video making the media rounds of at least a dozen people run TOWARD a completely engulfed in flames motorcycle and partially engulfed car. Is it smart to run TOWARD flames approaching a car's gas tank? Is it logical for them to believe they could lift the car? Run away from the flames, call for help, everyone says so. No, they ran towards, to lift the car off a STRANGER. Every single one of those people were not in the '99% people'. People all react differently in panic, and emergencies, and some actually become numb, then calm and focused, some do panic and become self focused, some ignore all the rules they know and will break rules to look out for a stranger.

 

[Dushi]

Jose Baez confirmed in a text message to the AP that he has been hired to defend Gary Giordano., who was detained in Aruba Aug. 5 after his traveling companion, 35-year-old Robyn Gardner, went missing. Giordano told police Gardner disappeared while snorkeling. Giordano is the only suspect in her presumed death.



According to Giordano’s Aruban lawyer, Michael Lopez, Baez was retained by Giordano’s father. Lopez said Baez will serve as a “consultant.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...onys-attorney/2011/09/14/gIQAHwEmRK_blog.html


So, JB will work with GGs Aruban attorney

 

[neesaki]

Articles I've seen indicate GG stated that the water started to get rough, he tapped on her leg, signaled they should head in, swam to shore... oops! She's gone.

If they actually were in the water, which I've had my doubts from the beginning, could it be that GG is alluding to a grain of truth in his "tapped on her leg" statement? Only, instead of tapping on her leg he grabbed her leg and pulled her under?

 

[Isabelle]

The AMEX statement shown in post #152, appears to say that the accident has to involve a passenger who disappeared while on an airplane. I don't read it to say that the policy would cover any other accident outside of an airplane, such as drowning while snorkeling or any other accident that may take a life that occurs outside of an airplane. I could be wrong, but that's how I read it.

 

[Kamille]

The AMEX statement shown in post #152, appears to say that the accident has to involve a passenger who disappeared while on an airplane. I don't read it to say that the policy would cover any other accident outside of an airplane, such as drowning while snorkeling or any other accident that may take a life that occurs outside of an airplane. I could be wrong, but that's how I read it.

I see it that way too. Has it ever been determined if GG travelled with any of his ex's or anyone for that matter where he took out a life insurance policy with him as the beneficiary and they returned unharmed?

 

[CarolinaWoman]

Greta Van Susteren was able to keep the Natalie Holloway case in the media for months ... Geraldo will probably do the same for Jose and Giordano. Geraldo will announce soon how poor Gary Giordano is being railroaded in Aruba. :twocents:

 

[Dushi]

I see it that way too. Has it ever been determined if GG travelled with any of his ex's or anyone for that matter where he took out a life insurance policy with him as the beneficiary and they returned unharmed?

There is mention of GG travelling with an ex with a policy in post #840
I can't find the link but maybe the poster can find it for you

 

[HatesSociopaths]

I see it that way too. Has it ever been determined if GG travelled with any of his ex's or anyone for that matter where he took out a life insurance policy with him as the beneficiary and they returned unharmed?

The second part of the text regarding "no remains found" is including other types of accidental deaths. Accidental drowning would be covered.

Read the full document here:

https://www295.americanexpress.com/travel-insurance/home.do?aetiSource=G&extlink=pa-aeti-G#99

 

[mrsu]

Hmmm...

Let's see...Jose concocts the ridiculous notion that Caylee had drown. Casey goes free.

Gary takes Robyn on vacation.
Says she allegedly drowns.
Now hires Baez to consult.
How convenient.
Boy, Baez must be experiencing deja vu.

 

[Mendara]

It still spooks me the way GG was witnessed to be staring at his watch and made the statement "she might be dead now", as though he knew wherever he left her, there was an element of time involved before she would die.

I can't stop thinking that maybe she was a part of this and got away before the searches and police got involved.

I mean she had every reason to want a payout and change her life.

Maybe I am wrong. Maybe they were willing to wait for the money.

mo

 

[Mendara]

Hmmm...

Let's see...Jose concocts the ridiculous notion that Caylee had drown. Casey goes free.

Gary takes Robyn on vacation.
Says she allegedly drowns.
Now hires Baez to consult.
How convenient.
Boy, Baez must be experiencing deja vu.

He is an expert in the drowning theory. But also, seems to have pulled off a miracle in getting KC aquitted.

 

[Dushi]

I can't stop thinking that maybe she was a part of this and got away before the searches and police got involved.

I mean she had every reason to want a payout and change her life.

Maybe I am wrong. Maybe they were willing to wait for the money.

mo

That thought has crossed my mind as well
With her tattoos and face all over the news, where would she go?

 

[HatesSociopaths]

I can't stop thinking that maybe she was a part of this and got away before the searches and police got involved.

I mean she had every reason to want a payout and change her life.

Maybe I am wrong. Maybe they were willing to wait for the money.

mo

"Change her life" is one thing - disappearing off the face of the Earth, hoping for a share of the pay-out from a guy she reportedly had misgivings about prior to this, putting your friends and family through hell, breaking the law, risking a prison sentence and going into hiding into a lonely seclusion are another.

MOO.

 

[Dushi]

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlin...rney-jose-baez-to-rep-gary-giordano-in-aruba/


Source says Federal Grand Jury in Maryland is investigating

A re-enactment is being planned in Aruba

 

[HatesSociopaths]

With that last video I now can compare initials on the two Beneficiary Forms:

July 27, 2011 RG initials:

May 10, 2011 RG initials:

Also of note: the printed handwriting on the May 10 form is Giordano's - you can tell by comparing it with his own form. The July 27 form is a completely different style, and appears to be someone else's. Possibly Robyn or Gary of course, but possibly an accomplice? Perhaps the same person who has gone on Nancy Grace, ABC, etc. to say she signed these for GG as well and would do so again?

 

[HatesSociopaths]

I wish I had something in Robyn's handwriting, both printed and her signature.

It is the second beneficiary form, July 27, that could lead to a huge breakthrough. The interesting thing to note, is basically the following:
1. If that is not Robyn's signature or printed handwriting on the July 27 form, it is very likely also not Giordano's. His printed handwriting looks much different. It is quite sloppy, and can be viewed on his own form. He could have taken careful measures to write with a completely different style, but maybe not, considering he didn't do that on the May 10 form. The million dollar question is, who is it then that filled out that form? The simplest answer is Robyn herself filled the thing out. I would need to see her handwriting and signature samples to know. But that is easily done by authorities.
2. If it wasn't Robyn, the person running to his side and appearing on the talk shows is the number one suspect, IMO. She is setting up to be the Cindy Anthony of this trial, the opposite of an Amber Frey. What does her handwriting look like? This is easy for the authorities to look into.
3. If it is her, this could lead to a huge breakthrough in the case. The biggest reason is because she is not likely a hardened criminal like Giordano, and could be broken in an interrogation, full confession, bam, full murder conviction for Giordano and a heavy sentence.

MOO.

ETA: Having a girlfriend as an accomplice in a multi-million dollar fraud scam is not new with Giordano. This is from about a year and a half ago:

Court records also indicate Mr. Giordano, who runs the temporary staffing business Leverage LLC out of his home, filed a multimillion-dollar lawsuit on behalf of his company in January 2010 against another staffing company, claiming he was owed money for placing an employee at federal home mortgage lender Freddie Mac in 2007.

But the defendant company in the case contended that Mr. Giordano forged a signature to fraudulently produce the contract that he later sued the company over.

An executive with the defendant company said in court papers that Mr. Giordano’s girlfriend at the time — who was also a friend of the executive’s wife — had told him that “Gary asked her if she could get a copy of my signature.”

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/23/suspect-in-aruba-claimed-money-woes/

 

[HatesSociopaths]

March 30 form by mystery person:

July 3 form by mystery person:

July 27 RG Beneficiary form:

I would say they look different - the 7-27 form has a greater slant on the 7, the 11 tilts to the right, and all numbers are raised from the line to place the date on, unlike the other 2. So someone other than the mystery woman (who filled out the forms on March 30 and July 3) filled out the July 27 form. MOO.

Need to see Robyn's handwriting samples to know if it was her.

 

[Lera213]

So will JB get hints for his client via WS again?