ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 5

[Tugela]

I take out travel insurance, the full deluxe package, when I travel and to my knowledge it does not include 1.5 million for accidental death. I have never had to name a beneficiary on my travel insurance.

MOO

ETA: I just checked my last policy and it is for $50,000 accidental death.

Most likely the policy was taken out for the two of them together. You don't get the option to select parts of it for one person and not the other. If he took the AD&D option for himself, she would be covered as well.

 

[powayparent]

Recreational or not, why would he take her snorkeling in that condition? If he did do that, it is beyond stupid, careless, or irresponsible, it is criminal IMO. People in the states can get convicted for manslaughter if they negligently cause a car accident that causes someone's death. This is at least that bad.

I don't disagree. If either was impaired by alcohol or drugs they should not have been in the water. However, if the circumstance was that they had both indulged I would not put the blame any more on him than her.

All that said, I don't believe they were snorkeling at all.

 

[Tugela]

I would think if GG were telling the truth he would have no problem going back out to the scene and doing a reenactment of what happened. This is not the USA we are talking about it's a foreign country and they do things differently there. Joran had no problem doing the reenactment and they let him go. GG not being there might lead the investigators to come to a different conclusion than what he originally intended. jmo

Joran wasn't being held in prison. The sole purpose of this re-enactment is to gather evidence to convict him (to see how they need to spin their story to do that).

GG would be an idiot to participate.

 

[HatesSociopaths]

Most likely the policy was taken out for the two of them together. You don't get the option to select parts of it for one person and not the other. If he took the AD&D option for himself, she would be covered as well.

This is correct, though he took extra steps to name himself as the beneficiary in the event of her "accidental death." It required a separate form filled out with her signature and mailed in separately to AMEX. Otherwise, the money would be paid out to her estate.

Another woman states that he did this for her as well. My speculation at this time is that it will be found he had not done this as a routine prior to 2011.

 

[annalia]

I would think if GG were telling the truth he would have no problem going back out to the scene and doing a reenactment of what happened. This is not the USA we are talking about it's a foreign country and they do things differently there. Joran had no problem doing the reenactment and they let him go. GG not being there might lead the investigators to come to a different conclusion than what he originally intended. jmo

My bolding

Do you think JVDS was telling the truth in the re enactment, that he had just left Natalee there on the beach where he pointed out? Do you think that's what helped set him free, that he agreed to a re enactment?

I can't really see how GG's participation or non participation could lead investigators to reach any real conclusion.
JMHO

 

[annalia]

Just saw JB on The View giving his spin on the insurance policy. He said that it is a standard travel insurance policy that GG started taking out after he had been on a cruise and suffered "losses" due to an anchor or some such nonsense.

He spoke about the other woman whom he travelled with on a cruise where he took out the same insurance and nothing happened.

I take out travel insurance, the full deluxe package, when I travel and to my knowledge it does not include 1.5 million for accidental death. I have never had to name a beneficiary on my travel insurance.

MOO

ETA: I just checked my last policy and it is for $50,000 accidental death.

My bolding

The thought has crossed my mind that his going on other trips, and taking out an insurance policy with other women, will be part of his defense.

 

[HatesSociopaths]

After establishing with certainty that the final photos of RG were indeed NOT surveillance cameras, but someone taking at least two photos of them as they were leaving, my suspicion is that person was taking them for a purpose not yet revealed by investigators. They say it was to photo her tattoos, yet her tattoos are not visible in the photos. From the angle, it appears it may have been the bartender. There is also a report that GG was acting suspiciously at the restaurant.

There appears to be more to the story on why those two photos were taken.

 

[neesaki]

My bolding

The thought has crossed my mind that his going on other trips, and taking out an insurance policy with other women, will be part of his defense.

And maybe this was part of his premeditated plan all along, so he could claim it was just "routine" for him to do this, jmo.

 

[Dushi]

How did you establish for certainty HS?
I may have missed that... sorry

 

[neesaki]

How did you establish for certainty HS?
I may have missed that... sorry

It was reported in the ABC video from yesterday that a server snapped the photos because he thought GG's behavior was suspicious.

 

[LambChop]

My bolding

Do you think JVDS was telling the truth in the re enactment, that he had just left Natalee there on the beach where he pointed out? Do you think that's what helped set him free, that he agreed to a re enactment?

I can't really see how GG's participation or non participation could lead investigators to reach any real conclusion.
JMHO

JVDS was released because they had no hard evidence on him that he committed a crime. That is their law. You have to have something concrete as evidence. There just was not enough. He was held in prison and they held him up to the maximum time that is allowed.

"Van der Sloot (then age 17) and brothers Deepak Kalpoe (then age 21) and Satish Kalpoe (then age 18), were arrested on June 9, 2005, as suspects in the May 30, 2005 disappearance of an 18-year-old American woman, Natalee Holloway. The Kalpoes were released from custody on July 4,[22] but were re-arrested on August 26 on suspicion of rape and murder, while Van der Sloot remained in custody. Van der Sloot and the Kalpoes were released on September 3 because of a lack of evidence". jmo

 

[Dushi]

It was reported in the ABC video from yesterday that a server snapped the photos because he thought GG's behavior was suspicious.

I did not see it
Did this server explain what he/she meant by suspicious?
Was it the server speaking or a source?

 

[LambChop]

After establishing with certainty that the final photos of RG were indeed NOT surveillance cameras, but someone taking at least two photos of them as they were leaving, my suspicion is that person was taking them for a purpose not yet revealed by investigators. They say it was to photo her tattoos, yet her tattoos are not visible in the photos. From the angle, it appears it may have been the bartender. There is also a report that GG was acting suspiciously at the restaurant.

There appears to be more to the story on why those two photos were taken.

My guess is they appeared to have had too much to drink and the bartender wanted proof that they brought their drinks in with them. They appear to be headed for their car. jmo

 

[LambChop]

I did not see it
Did this server explain what he/she meant by suspicious?
Was it the server speaking or a source?

I have never seen anyone, in all the time I have ever been in Aruba, bring their own drinks into a bar???? You would never get away with that in the states. jmo

 

[Dushi]

I have never seen anyone, in all the time I have ever been in Aruba, bring their own drinks into a bar???? You would never get away with that in the states. jmo

hmmm
Well, I have carried one in a bar

 

[HatesSociopaths]

How did you establish for certainty HS?
I may have missed that... sorry

I compared the position of the camera in this photo with the one of them entering the same spot. The other shot has a date and time stamp, and is horrible quality compared to these images. It is also from a location further in, not from this spot, which is where the bar is.

 

[annalia]

JVDS was released because they had no hard evidence on him that he committed a crime. That is their law. You have to have something concrete as evidence. There just was not enough. He was held in prison and they held him up to the maximum time that is allowed.

"Van der Sloot (then age 17) and brothers Deepak Kalpoe (then age 21) and Satish Kalpoe (then age 18), were arrested on June 9, 2005, as suspects in the May 30, 2005 disappearance of an 18-year-old American woman, Natalee Holloway. The Kalpoes were released from custody on July 4,[22] but were re-arrested on August 26 on suspicion of rape and murder, while Van der Sloot remained in custody. Van der Sloot and the Kalpoes were released on September 3 because of a lack of evidence". jmo

I'm very familiar with the case.

But that wasn't what I had asked though. You stated that if GG was telling the truth then he would do the re enactment like JVDS did, JVDS did it and he was released, and that investigators could come to an unfavorable conclusion if he didn't do it. That's why I asked if you believed JVDS was telling the truth in that re enactment. No matter though, it wasn't all that important.

 

[neesaki]

I did not see it
Did this server explain what he/she meant by suspicious?
Was it the server speaking or a source?

The video states it was reported by a server. Did not say what they meant by suspicious in this video, but I remember reports from earlier in the case that a restaurant employee, waitress I think, had stated GG had jumped up and introduced him and Robyn to the server by name. Also, maybe that Robyn was so "woozy" and GG went out and refilled his glass w/ more vodka instead of buying it at the bar. Enough out of the ordinary behaviors to bring attention to themselves that's for sure, jmo. Didn't you post that link, Dushi?

 

[Dushi]

The video states it was reported by a server. Did not say what they meant by suspicious in this video, but I remember reports from earlier in the case that a restaurant employee, waitress I think, had stated GG had jumped up and introduced him and Robyn to the server by name. Also, maybe that Robyn was so "woozy" and GG went out and refilled his glass w/ more vodka instead of buying it at the bar. Enough out of the ordinary behaviors to bring attention to themselves that's for sure, jmo. Didn't you post that link, Dushi?

The link about her being woozy?
Yes and to be honest, she did not look woozy to me at all

I have trouble believing everything in the videos now
Seems a lot is reported one day and pulled back the next

I asked because HS said with certainty
I thought I missed a report somewhere

 

[neesaki]

I compared the position of the camera in this photo with the one of them entering the same spot. The other shot has a date and time stamp, and is horrible quality compared to these images. It is also from a location further in, not from this spot, which is where the bar is.

Hey HS, which photo are you referring to where they are entering the bar and is of bad quality? Are you saying it was taking from the outdoor surveillance camera? Thx