ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 7

[rossva]

Perhaps she misunderstood the "reason" for the invite for the trip, and wasn't happy when it turned out different than she expected?

Perhaps she thought GG had a lot more money than he did, and was going to be her "sugar daddy" for the rest of her life, and decided to teach him a lesson when that turned out to not be true?

Perhaps she is partnered up with one of his allegeded other victims, and they conspired to ruin his life?

Perhaps they both conspired to disappear, and he backed out last minute, and she did infact get caught in a current and drown?

To what end?

 

[Peliman]

Just something I keep turning over in my head, what if the witnesses actually did see and report a couple fighting in a car, then drove off as they said without getting any identifying information, such as license plate number, didn't even see their faces. When they went back to do so, the car was gone.

So with no positive ID, the LE had nothing to go on and had no way to verify the report. Though we haven't heard LE verify any part of the report, I don't think the part he is referring to that "is ludicrous" is the reported fight but the report of them witnessing her being buried in a dog grave. :twocents:

I don't recall in first reports of her being buried in a dog grave, I think that came up in speculation about where she might be, possibly found. I don't think the part about her being buried was reported by the couple in the story.

 

[LambChop]

Perhaps she misunderstood the "reason" for the invite for the trip, and wasn't happy when it turned out different than she expected?

Perhaps she thought GG had a lot more money than he did, and was going to be her "sugar daddy" for the rest of her life, and decided to teach him a lesson when that turned out to not be true?

Perhaps she is partnered up with one of his allegeded other victims, and they conspired to ruin his life?

Perhaps they both conspired to disappear, and he backed out last minute, and she did infact get caught in a current and drown?

Based on what facts?? The facts that we do know about RG and have been reported do not lend to that type of behavior. As a victum she paid the ultimate price, did she not?? jmo

 

[FLmom777]

When your name is Jose Baez having just beaten the living daylights outta Linda Drane Burdick, Jeff Ashton and the majority of the media, every interview is an exclusive.

I disagree completely. He didn't beat anybody. He used the cameras before trial to totally deplete any potential jury to the point that all that was left were people that did not care about the world around them. I wish I would see him someday so that I could tell him to his face what a disgrace he is to my state. I only hope that the current charges against him result in his being disbarred.

Sorry if you think he is a good attorney. In my mind an attorney must have ethics first and foremost.

 

[neesaki]

I don't recall in first reports of her being buried in a dog grave, I think that came up in speculation about where she might be, possibly found. I don't think the part about her being buried was reported by the couple in the story.

That's right, the initial reports by the couple who allegedly witnessed the man beating the woman in the car, did not include the being buried in a dog grave report. Although, the initial report did state, if I remember correctly, that the location of the car where the fight was taking place was parked in the pet cemetery. The being buried portion was added later, by NE I think, though no one really knows where it came from. Possibly one of NE's creations?

 

[NavySubMom]

Perhaps she misunderstood the "reason" for the invite for the trip, and wasn't happy when it turned out different than she expected?

Perhaps she thought GG had a lot more money than he did, and was going to be her "sugar daddy" for the rest of her life, and decided to teach him a lesson when that turned out to not be true?

Perhaps she is partnered up with one of his allegeded other victims, and they conspired to ruin his life?

Perhaps they both conspired to disappear, and he backed out last minute, and she did infact get caught in a current and drown?

I find mentions of all of this "lesson teaching" very odd lately in connection with these recent crimes.

so Robyn is missing for months now because she may have wanted "to teach GG a lesson".

and Casey Anthony said Zenaida Gonzalez pushed her down and took Caylee from her causing Caylee to never be seen alive again because Zenaida wanted "to teach Casey a lesson".

these "lessons" are very ominous, and quite odd, quite odd indeed.

IMO, MOO, etc.

 

[redheadedgal]

Common sense. IMO

and occam's razor

 

[LolliPop]

Good attention or bad attention? LOL

Good attention, bad intention.

 

[LolliPop]

On a beach, at parties, at the grocery store?

All of those places and plenty of others as well.

As the mood takes me.

 

[LolliPop]

Perhaps she misunderstood the "reason" for the invite for the trip, and wasn't happy when it turned out different than she expected?

Perhaps she thought GG had a lot more money than he did, and was going to be her "sugar daddy" for the rest of her life, and decided to teach him a lesson when that turned out to not be true?

Perhaps she is partnered up with one of his allegeded other victims, and they conspired to ruin his life?

Perhaps they both conspired to disappear, and he backed out last minute, and she did infact get caught in a current and drown?

You make some good points taking into account all the assumptions being put forward, your assumptions carry as much weight as all the others do.

 

[LolliPop]

Just something I keep turning over in my head, what if the witnesses actually did see and report a couple fighting in a car, then drove off as they said without getting any identifying information, such as license plate number, didn't even see their faces. When they went back to do so, the car was gone.

So with no positive ID, the LE had nothing to go on and had no way to verify the report. Though we haven't heard LE verify any part of the report, I don't think the part he is referring to that "is ludicrous" is the reported fight but the report of them witnessing her being buried in a dog grave. :twocents:

Where are these witnesses ?

 

[CanManEh]

Do we know where GG took the pornographic photos of him and RG . Why i ask is because he made it a point to get across that they werent off where no one could see them but they were only 100 yards away from people . But if thats true like he says your not gonna be commiting those sexuall acts if your that close to people like he wants us to believe...So if they were takin outside that really goes agains't what he said about being so close to people..

 

[LolliPop]

THis article from the Aruba Daily sounds somewhat similar to a previous one posted, but I don't have time right now to go back and check if it may have some differences, so here's the link.

Jose Baez lashes out in Geraldo Rivera interview
Posted by Aruba Daily on December 7th, 2011

http://aruba-daily.com/newspaper/?p=9069

I don't see any lashing out by Mr Baez, what I do see is a calm and collected attorney demonstrating professional skills.

I guess its all in the eyes of the beholder and which side of the fence they sit.

IMO ( I love these abbreviations, I have a few of my own, LOL ) the truth is what counts and hopefully, like in the Casey Anthony case, it will prevail.

 

[LambChop]

I don't see any lashing out by Mr Baez, what I do see is a calm and collected attorney demonstrating professional skills.

I guess its all in the eyes of the beholder and which side of the fence they sit.

IMO ( I love these abbreviations, I have a few of my own, LOL ) the truth is what counts and hopefully, like in the Casey Anthony case, it will prevail.

I don't believe this attached video shows the part where he was lashing out. The lashing came out during the interview with RF. When you call in an threaten someone I think that is considered "lashing out". At least that was my understanding. jmo

 

[Dushi]

Officers have released the security camera image of the small white car driving away from where the missing 35-year-old was last seen in the hopes of finding more witnesses.
Prosecutors said the driver or passengers in the Hyundai Getz may have seen the missing woman or the suspect in her presumed death.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...o-taking-Robyn-beach-disappear-day-later.html



All this report says to me is police were hoping the driver could come forward with information, hoping they had seem something

This story has been widely reported all over the world and all over the island within hours

There would be no reason, imo, for anyone whether Aruban or tourist not to come forward if they had seem something
No news media has ever found these people, no further reports were ever made about them

It is my opinion that if the police interviewed the, they saw nothing



This car was last seen driving away from where Robyn was last seen

That is the beach and bar area

 

[Dushi]

Do we know where GG took the pornographic photos of him and RG . Why i ask is because he made it a point to get across that they werent off where no one could see them but they were only 100 yards away from people . But if thats true like he says your not gonna be commiting those sexuall acts if your that close to people like he wants us to believe...So if they were takin outside that really goes agains't what he said about being so close to people..

I can't find this and therefor i could be wrong
But in an interview , I believe Taco stein said that the hotel room was recognizable

I will look again but for now its just a recollection to me

 

[LambChop]

I can't find this and therefor i could be wrong
But in an interview , I believe Taco stein said that the hotel room was recognizable

I will look again but for now its just a recollection to me

That is what I remember, too. jmo

 

[LambChop]

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The same is true with GG and his statements. JB says he's giving too much details. It is just ironic that when professionals describe how to recognize someone who is lying the experts will tell you they give too much detail. A good attorney would not have let GG speak so freely but merely issued a statement and never, never would a good attorney put their client out on the circuit. jmo

 

[Dushi]

It's funny you use the word "beat" because I think the majority of people do not see JB beating anyone. What we see and what we understand is that the jury was looking for more information from SA to prove guilt and JB did not provide enough to convince them she was innocent. They admitted later she was guilty of something but were unsure how to charge her.

The same is true with GG and his statements. JB says he's giving too much details. It is just ironic that when professionals describe how to recognize someone who is lying the experts will tell you they give too much detail. A good attorney would not have let GG speak so freely but merely issued a statement and never, never would a good attorney put their client out on the circuit. jmo

I think other than putting a muzzle on gary, there is no way to shut him up

 

[Dushi]

Where are these witnesses ?

AFAIK there is no proof they ever existed
There was a car in the beach/bar area and a photo was sent out

There may have been people in the general area, but they may have witnessed nothing


(Other than the fisherman, who did see them leave the beach)