ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 8

[Dushi]

I always told my daughters you can never find Mr. Right if you are in a relationship with Mr. Wrong. lol So it's possible Robyn was looking for the right person for her but in the meantime wanted to spend some time with whomever was willing to take her away. Not many men would be willing to just take off on vacation at the drop of a hat, which it appears GG was trying to get her away for a long time and now she agreed.

She was not living with RF so I would not consider them as partners, just someone she had been seeing and considered a boyfriend but not one who paid her rent. She was more involved with RF than she was with GG. Her relationship to GG seemed to be more casual from appearances. jmo

We’d talked about marriage and about the future," Richard Forester, who had been dating 35-year-old Gardner for 2 1/2 years told RadarOnline.com on Thursday in an exclusive interview.

"We were looking for a place together," explained Forester, adding that they already spent nearly every night side by side. "She had her own apartment in Frederick but she lived with me six days a week, and she had her cats here."
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...yfriend-richard-forester-talked-marriage-kids


He sounds very serious about her
I wonder how she felt about the relationship

 

[LambChop]

Robyn was no Natalee Holloway ... that much is obvious, yet NG perpetuates the misconception that the 33 year old divorced woman with some questionable history was a naive victim. We know that isn't true. By all accounts, she seems to have been rather fiesty, moreso when she was drinking (alcohol indulgence is definitely a factor here). She was also moving in "high risk" circles by participating in virtual pick-up joints, dating two men at the same time and advertising herself as available for any type of photography. In discussions about how and why Robyn is missing, her true nature is relevant. White washing Robyn doesn't help figure out what may have happened, but at the same time it isn't pleasant to view a victim as having done extremely stupid things prior to disappearing.

I don't think anyone is trying to whitewash RG. Everything you say is true but the fact is she did not return home and something happened to her regardless of who she was traveling with and that is what we are trying to figure out. Whoever and whatever she did prior to this trip with anyone other than GG really is not an issue from what we can see. The issue is what happened, is GG's story believable and what are the facts in this sad case?

From outward appearances she just joined a friend on a trip. She clearly did not find what he was into offensive so that was her choice. Many choose that type of lifestyle....men and women. We know she did not chose to end her vacation getaway dead so our attention is immediately drawn to GG and his credibility. He has none, period. jmo

 

[Dushi]

I don't think anyone is trying to whitewash RG. Everything you say is true but the fact is she did not return home and something happened to her regardless of who she was traveling with and that is what we are trying to figure out. Whoever and whatever she did prior to this trip with anyone other than GG really is not an issue from what we can see. The issue is what happened, is GG's story believable and what are the facts in this sad case?

From outward appearances she just joined a friend on a trip. She clearly did not find what he was into offensive so that was her choice. Many choose that type of lifestyle....men and women. We know she did not chose to end her vacation getaway dead so our attention is immediately drawn to GG and his credibility. He has none, period. jmo

I agree, but yet people do pick and choose
If it fits a theory, he must be telling the truth, otherwise he ia a liar

 

[LambChop]

We’d talked about marriage and about the future," Richard Forester, who had been dating 35-year-old Gardner for 2 1/2 years told RadarOnline.com on Thursday in an exclusive interview.

"We were looking for a place together," explained Forester, adding that they already spent nearly every night side by side. "She had her own apartment in Frederick but she lived with me six days a week, and she had her cats here."
http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...yfriend-richard-forester-talked-marriage-kids


He sounds very serious about her
I wonder how she felt about the relationship

I would say he sounds as if he was interested in getting married. Robyn not so much. Didn't her roommate claim RG was looking for that knight in shining armor? It is easy to make those claims now she can't dispute them and I think the only person who might be able to tell us if he is telling the truth would be her roommate. Then again, Robyn could have been seeing someone else, too, who we are not aware of and who has chosen not to come forward.

As for the cats, she may not have been able to keep them there in her apartment with the roommate. She certainly was not faithful to RF and it appears had no intentions of ever doing so, so why would she want to get married. jmo

 

[LambChop]

I agree, but yet people do pick and choose
If it fits a theory, he must be telling the truth, otherwise he ia a liar

Wasn't it Taco Stein who claimed GG story had "major inconsistencies"??? That would make him a bona fide candidate. No pun intended. jmo

 

[otto]

I would say he sounds as if he was interested in getting married. Robyn not so much. Didn't her roommate claim RG was looking for that knight in shining armor? It is easy to make those claims now she can't dispute them and I think the only person who might be able to tell us if he is telling the truth would be her roommate. Then again, Robyn could have been seeing someone else, too, who we are not aware of and who has chosen not to come forward.

As for the cats, she may not have been able to keep them there in her apartment with the roommate. She certainly was not faithful to RF and it appears had no intentions of ever doing so, so why would she want to get married. jmo

I think RF has enjoyed how this case has propelled him into the spotlight. Even though investigators asked him to stay out of the news so as to protect the integrity of the investigation, he ignored them and continued to appear with talking heads that primarily aim to sensationalize current events. He chose his 15 minutes of fame over the requests from investigators that are trying to solve the case.

As for the talk of marriage, I think that is complete fantasy. He had never met her family, they were not living together, they were well on their way towards domestic problems (with police having been contacted about their conflict), there was no honesty in their relationship, their relationship was not exclusive and he didn't even know that she was in Aruba when she disapeared. From where I'm sitting, RF appears to be just another guy that Robyn hooked up with.

 

[Dushi]

I think RF has enjoyed how this case has propelled him into the spotlight. Even though investigators asked him to stay out of the news so as to protect the integrity of the investigation, he ignored them and continued to appear with talking heads that primarily aim to sensationalize current events. He chose his 15 minutes of fame over the requests from investigators that are trying to solve the case.

As for the talk of marriage, I think that is complete fantasy. He had never met her family, they were not living together, they were well on their way towards domestic problems (with police having been contacted about their conflict), there was no honesty in their relationship, their relationship was not exclusive and he didn't even know that she was in Aruba when she disapeared. From where I'm sitting, RF appears to be just another guy that Robyn hooked up with.

couldn't have been an important relationship in the eyes of the family
no one informed him Robyn was missing until he called her brother when she didn't come home when scheduled

 

[LambChop]

I have a friend who went with my husband and I to Aruba years ago. She was not a drinker but wanted to go on one of those "booze cruises". We don't drink either but we went along with her for company. She had been dancing and having a great time and we were just socializing with other friends. When we were ready to leave I noticed she was a bit tipsy. I asked her how much she had to drink and she said not much but when my husband tasted her drink it was full of rum. lol Anyway the point of my story is when we got back to the condo she wanted to go down the the beach (she said just to sit) and we told her no, she needed to go to bed. She started to insist and we told her she may not think she had too much to drink but her last drink was obviously overpoured and she needed to sleep it off. She went to bed. Friends do not let friends who have been drinking get into the water. It's just common sense and a responsible thing to do morally and ethically when you care about someone's well being. I do not see that with GG. I see a very irresponsible, selfish person if what he claims happened is true. jmo

 

[otto]

I have a friend who went with my husband and I to Aruba years ago. She was not a drinker but wanted to go on one of those "booze cruises". We don't drink either but we went along with her for company. She had been dancing and having a great time and we were just socializing with other friends. When we were ready to leave I noticed she was a bit tipsy. I asked her how much she had to drink and she said not much but when my husband tasted her drink it was full of rum. lol Anyway the point of my story is when we got back to the condo she wanted to go down the the beach (she said just to sit) and we told her no, she needed to go to bed. She started to insist and we told her she may not think she had too much to drink but her last drink was obviously overpoured and she needed to sleep it off. She went to bed. Friends do not let friends who have been drinking get into the water. It's just common sense and a responsible thing to do morally and ethically when you care about someone's well being. I do not see that with GG. I see a very irresponsible, selfish person if what he claims happened is true. jmo

Maybe he wasn't being a good friend and maybe they'd both had a couple of drinks. If they both had couple of drinks (which is more likely), then neither was capable of sound judgment. If Robyn got into the water and drowned, she alone is responsible for her choice.

 

[otto]

couldn't have been an important relationship in the eyes of the family
no one informed him Robyn was missing until he called her brother when she didn't come home when scheduled

I agree. RF had no idea where Robyn was, what she was doing, or who she was with. She lied to him about her relationship with GG. From all appearances, some might think she was using both RF and GG. They were two guys she met online and she was seeing both of them, but she was living with a friend. For all we know, she was dating other guys at the same time.

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Wasn't it Taco Stein who claimed GG story had "major inconsistencies"??? That would make him a bona fide candidate. No pun intended. jmo

Perfect! Here is a start. If Taco Stein said GG had major inconsistancies, let's start with " What were they"? That would help me understand all the "loss of ALL credibility " comments.:help:

The only one I heard quoted as "major inconsistencies" by TS were:
The weather as it related to the tides.....and since He was not in the ocean with GG, then it would seem that was not even an inconsistency, just a matter of opinion.

 

[LambChop]

Maybe he wasn't being a good friend and maybe they'd both had a couple of drinks. If they both had couple of drinks (which is more likely), then neither was capable of sound judgment. If Robyn got into the water and drowned, she alone is responsible for her choice.

But isn't it GG who claims he drinking "moderately" and it was RG who was drinking and took sleeping pills. He knew enough he could not enter to water without his sneakers on without falling. jmo

 

[LambChop]

Perfect! Here is a start. If Taco Stein said GG had major inconsistancies, let's start with " What were they"? That would help me understand all the "loss of ALL credibility " comments.:help:

The only one I heard quoted as "major inconsistencies" by TS were:
The weather as it related to the tides.....and since He was not in the ocean with GG, then it would seem that was not even an inconsistency, just a matter of opinion.

ALE does not release all their evidence to the public. It has been stated on this thread countless times and a well known fact. Not even the defendant's attorney gets it all. If ALE felt GG's story was not consistent with what they found as facts we are left to trust their judgment. Even one explanation that proves he lied is one too many when it comes to investigating someone's disappearance/death. We don't need all of them to prove he is lying we just have to watch those talk shows. Even GR had questions about his story.. jmo

 

[Saracen]

In my opinion the snarkiness could be an attempt to shut down the thread and I do not want to see that happen. We have all been very productive in trying to sort things out and let's all just keep going. At some point we could get to the heart of the matter and that is what happened to RG. jmo

I agree with you LambChop, but why should the majority suffer because of the minority?, the snarky comments are both childish and mindless and have no place here.JMO

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

ALE does not release all their evidence to the public. It has been stated on this thread countless times and a well known fact. Not even the defendant's attorney gets it all. If ALE felt GG's story was not consistent with what they found as facts we are left to trust their judgment. Even one explanation that proves he lied is one too many when it comes to investigating someone's disappearance/death. We don't need all of them to prove he is lying we just have to watch those talk shows. Even GR had questions about his story.. jmo

So Taco Stien says there are major inconsistencies, but can't tell us what they are, and it's ok for us to believe "GG has No credibility" because Taco "says" there are inconsistencies,.....although not enough to continue to hold GG.......makes me crazy!!!!

 

[vlpate]

Robyn was no Natalee Holloway ... that much is obvious, yet NG perpetuates the misconception that the

33 year old divorced woman with some questionable history was a naive victim. We know that isn't true.

By all accounts, she seems to have been rather fiesty, moreso when she was drinking (alcohol indulgence is definitely a factor here). She was also moving in "high risk" circles by participating in virtual pick-up joints, dating two men at the same time and advertising herself as available for any type of photography. In discussions about how and why Robyn is missing, her true nature is relevant. White washing Robyn doesn't help figure out what may have happened, but at the same time it isn't pleasant to view a victim as having done extremely stupid things prior to disappearing.

What isn't true? That she was naive or a victim?

What does her being divorced have to do with anything, seems like someone is channeling Tammy Wynette :crazy:

What "high risk" circles was she moving in and do you have a reputable source for this comment?

Is there a "pleasant" way to view a victim - you know, one who isn't, in your opinion, stupid?

TIA

 

[LambChop]

So Taco Stien says there are major inconsistencies, but can't tell us what they are, and it's ok for us to believe "GG has No credibility" because Taco "says" there are inconsistencies,.....although not enough to continue to hold GG.......makes me crazy!!!!

Because, again, they are conducting an ongoing investigation, just as they do here in the US and we do not have a need to know at this point. It's their case and they've shared information with the FBI who have given this info to a Grand Jury. jmo

Grand jury's term
Federal grand juries are of two types--regular and special. Regular grand juries sit for a basic term of 18 months, but that term can be extended up to another 6 months, which means their total possible term is 24 months. Special grand juries sit for 18 months, but their term can be extended for up to another 18 months; a court can extend a special grand jury's term for 6 months, and can enter up to three such extensions, totaling 18 months.

 

[LambChop]

What isn't true? That she was naive or a victim?

What does her being divorced have to do with anything, seems like someone is channeling Tammy Wynette :crazy:

What "high risk" circles was she moving in and do you have a reputable source for this comment?

Is there a "pleasant" way to view a victim - you know, one who isn't, in your opinion, stupid?

TIA

If RG thought she was going to die as a result of her going to Aruba with GG I don't think she would have gone. Her roommate said she was very trusting and who would think someone would want to hurt you. She had known him for a year so if she thought he was dangerous I don't think she would have gone with him. That never enters your mind when you are friends with someone. It sounds, too, as if she confided in him sometimes, maybe about her relationship with RF.

GG is a con-artist given his history. You can tell by the way he talks, very smooth until you ruffle his feathers. I imagine he could talk people into anything. He was selling his business on the net and made money so he appears to be a good salesman or his company would never have gotten off the ground.

Robyn was a victum in every sense of the word and we need to respect the fact that she is a victum who did not deserve to die. jmo

 

[vlpate]

Then why bother to make a big deal about it? I think there was quite a lot of discussion about that. Seems some felt it was the "nail in the coffin". ....and I would think it could of at least added some credence to the insurance scam speculation, and been enough to perhaps hold GG longer in Aruba.

Forging the insurance document, if proved, would show premeditation in a murder trial.

Forging the insurance document and then cashing in on it would be insurance fraud, but I'm not sure whose jurisdiction would take the case, Aruba or US.

Not sure who is making a big deal about it, but rightfully so if he is ever charged with murder.

 

[LambChop]

Forging the insurance document, if proved, would show premeditation in a murder trial.

Forging the insurance document and then cashing in on it would be insurance fraud, but I'm not sure whose jurisdiction would take the case, Aruba or US.

Not sure who is making a big deal about it, but rightfully so if he is ever charged with murder.

It would be US because he initiated his plan in the US. This is why Aruba has included the FBI regarding the handwriting, IMO. If the Grand Jury feels there is enough information to try him, he can be tried here in Federal Court I would think because he started the crime here (applying for insurance on a person he has no presumption of loss with and possibly forging her signature) and the crime was committed in another country. So I think that falls under Federal. My guess is he will not cash in that policy. Sort of like leaving a basket with the electronics behind while you hightail it out of Target with security in hot pursuit. lol jmo