ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 8

[otto]

Not to mention, why woukld he take her to that god forsaken, ugly, remote and rocky, deserted beach for 2 days in a row?

I'm wondering why she went to that location two days in a row. It's not like she was a child being ordered around, she was a capable woman with a mind of her own.

 

[neesaki]

And it is possible to love someone but not want to live with them. Some men are way too restrictive and do not allow their partner any freedom. She may have felt their relationship was too restrictive. Many women do not like to be told what to do, how to dress, where they can go, how much they can drink, etc. This may not have been the type of relationship she wanted to commit to. I can understand that.

In one of the articles it was reported that RF stated he knew RG was "promiscuous". So he knew she was seeing other men. jmo

I agree that she very possibly wanted a relationship with more freedom and pretty much no committment, maybe the opposite of what RF wanted. And it's possible she just wasn't sure that RF was the right guy for her as far as a long term committment. Who knows?

BBM. Really? I don't remember hearing or reading that. I knew that GG said that in the GR interview, which I thought was extremely laughable. Like he's not promiscuous? LOL ! But I don't remember that from RF. Do you know what article this was? TIA :seeya:

 

[otto]

But why would he lie on the insurance application that she was his partner. He knew enough to put partner down or they would not have accepted it. jmo

I've taken someone traveling before that was not a partner ... a tutor for a child. I took travel insurance on that person - not because I wanted to get rich, but as a safety measure in case problems (accident, cancellation, weather related delay) arose during the trip. I did not declare the tutor as a partner, but I did make myself the beneficiary. I was paying for the insurance, I would have to cover costs in case of emergency, so I made myself the recipient of insurance claims.

 

[katydid23]

I'm wondering why she went to that location two days in a row. It's not like she was a child being ordered around, she was a capable woman with a mind of her own.

The first day they went , as far as I know, they spent most of their time at the little bar/cantina and ate and drank. So maybe she had no problem going back there again. And he was the host, and the driver, and the older male, so I think she went with the flow. Especially if she did take a few swigs of vodka beforehand. When someone invites you on a vacation, as their guest, you tend to follow their lead.

I think the real question remains, WHY did he choose this as their destination. imoo

 

[LambChop]

Not to mention, why woukld he take her to that god forsaken, ugly, remote and rocky, deserted beach for 2 days in a row?

And so late in the day. The hotel beach where they were staying is really a lovely beach and as I said no driving would be involved. If you were only there a few days and wanted to "sort things out" I would think that would be a good place to do it and at no cost to you.

The ride out to Baby Beach is nothing to brag about, no views of beautiful beaches, etc. Meaning no disrespect, they are just the homes of locals and not on any scenic route. And it's not that deserted because the draw is the shallow cove where children can easily be seen in the water should they decide to go under.

At that hour of the day though I would think most of the families would have started to head back to where they were staying so that may have had something to do with why he picked so late in the day, two days in a row. It's just not a place you would pick to take adult pictures and from what the locals are saying not a place to dive either, certainly not where he claims she went in. jmo

 

[katydid23]

I've taken someone traveling before that was not a partner ... a tutor for a child. I took travel insurance on that person - not because I wanted to get rich, but as a safety measure in case problems (accident, cancellation, weather related delay) arose during the trip. I did not declare the tutor as a partner, but I did make myself the beneficiary. I was paying for the insurance, I would have to cover costs in case of emergency, so I made myself the recipient of insurance claims.

Did you also take out a million and a half life insurance policy, with yourself as the beneficiary?

 

[otto]

The first day they went , as far as I know, they spent most of their time at the little bar/cantina and ate and drank. So maybe she had no problem going back there again. And he was the host, and the driver, and the older male, so I think she went with the flow. Especially if she did take a few swigs of vodka beforehand. When someone invites you on a vacation, as their guest, you tend to follow their lead.

I think the real question remains, WHY did he choose this as their destination. imoo

It's hard to guess why they decided to go to that location. Maybe it was away from the touristy areas and they preferred that. Maybe they enjoyed being at the tip of the Island where the ocean was more interesting. It's a known snorkeling and scuba diving area, so maybe that was the draw. Maybe they connected with the staff at the cafe and enjoyed the atmosphere. Perhaps they liked the fact that they could bring their own drinks and keep the costs down.

I have difficulties viewing Robyn as having no say in the decisions they made.

 

[LambChop]

The first day they went , as far as I know, they spent most of their time at the little bar/cantina and ate and drank. So maybe she had no problem going back there again. And he was the host, and the driver, and the older male, so I think she went with the flow. Especially if she did take a few swigs of vodka beforehand. When someone invites you on a vacation, as their guest, you tend to follow their lead.

I think the real question remains, WHY did he choose this as their destination. imoo

The bar was closed on Monday. They have videos of him pulling up but the bar was closed. They returned on the second day. Surely he knew the first day that it was not a good place to snorkel and not a great place to take the type of pictures he wanted. There are more secluded beaches up on the eastern coastline. Very private and he could have taken all the pictures he wanted. They could not have snorkeled there. If he had gone in the water at that location chances are he would not have come back either. jmo

 

[otto]

Did you also take out a million and a half life insurance policy, with yourself as the beneficiary?

I don't remember, but it was definitely up there ... million or so ... with me as the beneficiary. I took insurance on everyone that was traveling and was the beneficiary for reasons that seemed obvious to me: I was paying for the insurance and I would have to deal with up front costs in the event of a serious incident.

 

[Sapphire]

Yes. They are from a beach party the night before that took place up in the high rise area near Holiday Inn and in back of the Marriett. jmo

The pictures are from the Balashi Beach Bash, held at Moomba Beach Bar on Sunday, July 31, 2011.


http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.228730657168255.54074.208457142528940

 

[LambChop]

It's hard to guess why they decided to go to that location. Maybe it was away from the touristy areas and they preferred that. Maybe they enjoyed being at the tip of the Island where the ocean was more interesting. It's a known snorkeling and scuba diving area, so maybe that was the draw. Maybe they connected with the staff at the cafe and enjoyed the atmosphere. Perhaps they liked the fact that they could bring their own drinks and keep the costs down.

I have difficulties viewing Robyn as having no say in the decisions they made.

I think the area where they go snorkeling is over more towards Rodger's Beach. There is sand and you can walk right out. GG picked a location that is almost impossible to transverse in your barefeet. She would have fallen for sure plus the light for the day was fading because the sun was setting so she would not have been able to see in the water. Add to that her woosie condition.

If they had attempted to get into the water where GG claims at 4:30 they would have know it was not a good idea and would have gone somewhere else. Witnesses say they did not attempt to go into the water at that time and got into the car and left. By 6pm the car is seen back in about the same location but still no one reported GG getting out of the water in a panic. If you yell for help someone would have heard him because it's over water. Sound travels faster and louder over water so if he yelled someone would have heard him. He did not and admits he didn't. Yet no one saw or heard him in the water. jmo

 

[LambChop]

I'm wondering why she went to that location two days in a row. It's not like she was a child being ordered around, she was a capable woman with a mind of her own.

Not saying this happened but when you are in a car you are captive for the most part and in a foreign land you are not about to get out at a stop light. I don't think she was very happy going the first day much less the second. He could have told her they were going to the store to get more vodka but she could have declined getting into the car. My guess is she never expected what was waiting for her. jmo

 

[vlpate]

It's hard to guess why they decided to go to that location. Maybe it was away from the touristy areas and they preferred that. Maybe they enjoyed being at the tip of the Island where the ocean was more interesting. It's a known snorkeling and scuba diving area, so maybe that was the draw. Maybe they connected with the staff at the cafe and enjoyed the atmosphere. Perhaps they liked the fact that they could bring their own drinks and keep the costs down.

I have difficulties viewing Robyn as having no say in the decisions they made.

...and maybe GG knew they had cameras everywhere and he wanted to document being there that day. IMO, the same reason he half heartedly knocked on locked doors (ignoring his and Robyn's cell phones), at the bar.

Does anyone know who took the pictures of RG leaving the bar? Are they video stills?

 

[vlpate]

I've taken someone traveling before that was not a partner ... a tutor for a child. I took travel insurance on that person - not because I wanted to get rich, but as a safety measure in case problems (accident, cancellation, weather related delay) arose during the trip. I did not declare the tutor as a partner, but I did make myself the beneficiary. I was paying for the insurance, I would have to cover costs in case of emergency, so I made myself the recipient of insurance claims.

Wow, what was the payoff? 1.5 million? Did the tutor have to sign anything agreeing to the insurance terms?

 

[Niner]

Just wanted to say

:welcome5:

TheWNP and Saracen :seeya:

 

[otto]

Wow, what was the payoff? 1.5 million? Did the tutor have to sign anything agreeing to the insurance terms?

The tutor didn't have to sign anything ... I simply filled out the paperwork at the travel office and that was it.

 

[redheadedgal]

completely OT: this pic makes me laugh... the old dude in the crowd of young adults. he just looks so out of place:floorlaugh:

 

[otto]

...and maybe GG knew they had cameras everywhere and he wanted to document being there that day. IMO, the same reason he half heartedly knocked on locked doors (ignoring his and Robyn's cell phones), at the bar.

Does anyone know who took the pictures of RG leaving the bar? Are they video stills?

If the dive shop had cameras, then every place had cameras. I don't think cameras at a restaurant had anything to do with Robyn's decision to go to that restaurant and dive shop. If she didn't want to be at that dive shop, or in that part of the Island, she could have taken a cab back to the hotel. Since she remained with GG at that location, it seems reasonable to assume that she was there by choice.

She went to Aruba by choice, she went to the hotel by choice, based on the picture above she went to the party by choice ... how can we say she didn't go to the dive shop by choice?

 

[redheadedgal]

Thanks! Saved me lots of work,LOL. :seeya:

you are most welcome! glad i could help :seeya:

 

[LambChop]

If the dive shop had cameras, then every place had cameras. I don't think cameras at a restaurant had anything to do with Robyn's decision to go to that restaurant and dive shop. If she didn't want to be at that dive shop, or in that part of the Island, she could have taken a cab back to the hotel. Since she remained with GG at that location, it seems reasonable to assume that she was there by choice.

She went to Aruba by choice, she went to the hotel by choice, based on the picture above she went to the party by choice ... how can we say she didn't go to the dive shop by choice?

I never heard they went to the dive shop. Didn't GG say he had his own mask and fins? The video was from the restaurant and I don't think we saw anything from the dive shop so I don't know if they even have cameras.

A trip by cab from the airport to the hotel would run about $10. To that end of the island would probably run about $50 or more. She could have taken a taxi from the restaurant if she felt she was in danger but I'm sure she had no idea what was about to happen. She definitely was not dressed for the beach much less to go snorkeling. A bathing suit and coverup and maybe a pair of flat sandals to walk on the beach is what people wear. She looks as if she was ready to go to dinner, happy hour or run to the store. And she certainly would not risk ruining her dress on those jagged rocks if that is the only dress she brought with her. jmo