ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 8

[LambChop]

I wasn't asking if a witness saw the dress, I asked if the dress had been found. Apparently it has not been. Thanks.

They have the dress. It was lying a distance from the towels. In the reenactment someone said the woman who played RG was wearing the dress. It appears to be the same dress but I was hoping it was a duplicate. jmo

 

[vlpate]

Amanda's murder conviction was overturned and she was found not guilty on appeal - she was arrested within four days of the murder and sat in jail until her trial.
Mexico tried not to allow their "prime suspect" leave the country - look at Bruce Beresford-Redman, the Survivor Producer. He left anyway

Hahaha, I think I fell asleep writing this! Anyway, I know you are right Otto, it just seems bizarre nonetheless to allow a prime suspect to leave the country.

 

[vlpate]

They have the dress. It was lying a distance from the towels. In the reenactment someone said the woman who played RG was wearing the dress. It appears to be the same dress but I was hoping it was a duplicate. jmo

She was likiely wearing a dress like it - surely they would not let her wear evidence. I would just love a link stating they actually have the dress. All the video says is that a witness saw it lying a few feet away from some towels, but not that it was collected or that they moved to another area and the dress was gone.

 

[vlpate]

Are you talking about the the rum Reef or whateverit its called?
The first day they went there, (caught on video) the bars and restaurant was closed

I watched the video last night, half asleep - did they just drive by the restaurant (video shows this), and then walk on the beach around 4, or did they go in the next two days - they have her in the dress on two different videos, two days in a row.

GG had a different shirt on from the party to the next day. So he could have changed in the car, or they did go back to the room.

 

[vlpate]

Maybe he asked her to wear it again to create confusion among witnesses that might have seen her on either of those two days. Same places, same dress, similar times... It does sound like a practice run.

Yes, I thought that too.

 

[LambChop]

She was likiely wearing a dress like it - surely they would not let her wear evidence. I would just love a link stating they actually have the dress. All the video says is that a witness saw it lying a few feet away from some towels, but not that it was collected or that they moved to another area and the dress was gone.

I don't think LE would not have taken it into evidence. There is no mention of her shoes and I would think LE would be accounting for them. They collected the towels because they tested for her blood. No one would just leave the dress lying on the beach. The beaches and area surrounding are very clean considering how windy it is. Trash is easily moved around by the wind and they do a good job of keeping the trash to a minimum.

But I do find it hard to believe they would use her dress in the reenactment. jmo

 

[LambChop]

I find it interesting, looking at the area GG claims they went into the water, that LE responding to that call and when GG told LE they went into the water "here" the look on the officer's face must have caused GG to panic because that officer would have known there is no way they went into the water at that spot. This could have thrown GG off in terms of the story he had planned to tell and everything went downhill from there. I also think his original plans to get her into the water at that location did not work because she planned on dining out that night and was not planning on going into the water.

GG also claimed to have gone to the car to get himself something to drink but there is no proof that the refill was for him. Maybe she was not woosie enough for him and he could have refreshed her drink with straight vodka. We never heard what was in the car that he was drinking either unless he threw the bottle away before LE got there. Afterall they bought a lot of vodka for three days. jmo

 

[Dushi]

They have the dress. It was lying a distance from the towels. In the reenactment someone said the woman who played RG was wearing the dress. It appears to be the same dress but I was hoping it was a duplicate. jmo

As Mary Bubala reports, police used cops dressed like the couple to re-create what might have happened that day on the beach.

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2011/09/20/defense-blasts-one-sided-re-enactment-in-aruba/

 

[NavySubMom]

I'm just saying I have seen people do it with carryons. And I don't know how they do it because I could not do it myself. But the one dress could lead you to believe she saved money by not checking luggage. You are talking about $50 plus dollars extra to check a bag for three full days. It's like a long weekend and I usually just take an overnight bag for a long weekend. So I could see her doing that. It did not appear they were spending a lot of money. Buying their own vodka and juice, going to a beach party and bringing their own drinks, etc. She was unemployed so I don't think she planned on spending a lot of money and that would be quite a savings. And as I said she may have figured so I wear the same dress a couple of days in a row, I'll never see these people again.

Plus we see her in the same dress in pictures but she could have been in a bathing suit most of the day and GG said let's get something to eat so she threw the dress on. Same thing the following day as she may have believed they were just going out to get something to eat. It certainly looks that way, she is dressed up to me and not getting ready to snorkel. At that time of the day she appears to be ready to go out for dinner, shoes, makeup on and dressed. jmo

just thinking here, what about U.S. Airport Security cameras or video to see what she was wearing on the flight, or how many carry ons they checked in? or camera surveillance at whatever airport they left from at the ticket gate or curb side baggage check-in? with all of the security at the U.S. airports these days, they may have been captured coming or going or somewhere in the airport with their bags before and then after checking them, if they did. I am sorry if this has been discussed as I haven't read all of the posts from the very beginning.

I also find it very odd that a woman who seemed to be about appearances and having her photo taken, wearing the same dress 2 days in a row on a vacation. especially light weight summer clothes, and a dress like that, which doesn't take up much room in a travel bag, she could easily have taken another summer dress along even in one carry on, those kind of things do not take up much room at all. Just an odd detail to me.

IMO, MOO. etc.

 

[Dushi]

Footage showed actors arriving at the beach in the vehicle the pair had rented while in Aruba. The actress playing Miss Gardner was wearing a dress just like the one Miss Gardner was last seen in.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ents-suspect-Gary-Giordano-enacted-Aruba.html

 

[vlpate]

I find it interesting, looking at the area GG claims they went into the water, that LE responding to that call and when GG told LE they went into the water "here" the look on the officer's face must have caused GG to panic because that officer would have known there is no way they went into the water at that spot. This could have thrown GG off in terms of the story he had planned to tell and everything went downhill from there. I also think his original plans to get her into the water at that location did not work because she planned on dining out that night and was not planning on going into the water.

GG also claimed to have gone to the car to get himself something to drink but there is no proof that the refill was for him. Maybe she was not woosie enough for him and he could have refreshed her drink with straight vodka. We never heard what was in the car that he was drinking either unless he threw the bottle away before LE got there. Afterall they bought a lot of vodka for three days. jmo

Right, those rocks looked impossible to traverse. Giordano is going to get away with murder if Robyn's body is not found. I swear LC, it seems lately that you have to have a video tape, with sound and a time/date stamp, of a murder before an arrest can be made. I don't know that he murdered her, but I know that he is absolutely lying about what happened to her and he needs to sit his arrogant patootie in jail until he tells the truth - a truth that makes sense.

Where's her dress
Where are her shoes
Where is her snorkeling gear
How far out did they go, how deep was the water?
What did she have on in the water?
WHERE WERE THE CELL PHONES and why weren't they used to call for help?
What time did they go into the water and how long did he wait to go knocking on the doors to the restaurant.
Why did he allow her to go into the water drunk and sedated?
Why did he fax and send a hard copy of the insurance to Amex and then call to make sure they got it before this trip?
He told LE that Robyn filled out her own insurance papers, court documents show otherwise, he filled them out in his handwriting, she (allegedly), signed them. GG indicated on GMA he completed these on the computer.

You know, it doesn't even matter that his lies are obvious, doesn't make a bit of difference because .... doesn't prove a thing ... so sick of hearing that. Apparently, he could have stood there in front of the restaurant cameras, giving us a big old Cheney Mason with a sign that read "KMA, she's probably already dead", and what would it prove??? NOTHING. If they find her body in the ocean and the autopsy shows she drowned, NOTHING! He will have to kill again, hopefully on camera, before he is stopped.

Where's baby Lisa? Where's Kyron? Where's Haleigh? Why does Casey Anthony walk free? Where's a frigging justice system with some backbone. :maddening:

 

[vlpate]

Footage showed actors arriving at the beach in the vehicle the pair had rented while in Aruba. The actress playing Miss Gardner was wearing a dress just like the one Miss Gardner was last seen in.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ents-suspect-Gary-Giordano-enacted-Aruba.html

Yes, and there was also the footage of GG's rental driving past the restaurant and GG & RG walking past the front of the restaurant the day before. I don't know if that was the day the restaurant was closed - but it was almost the same time of day they went the next day when she disappeared.

 

[katydid23]

I'm wondering how easy it would be for her to throw off her snorkelling gear in the water with all her hair extensions .. wouldn't it get caught in her hair and increase the panic reaction?

Not at all. Extensions are no different than having long hair. And I am sure she would have had it in a pony tail or in a bun and pulled away from her face. [ that is IF she even went snorkeling, which I doubt.]

 

[katydid23]

If Robyn did not drown, then GG did some careful planning and staging ... who would think to keep the dress after a spontaneous or accidental murder and then leave it on the beach to back up the snorkelling story?

There are quotes from some of GG's friends that claim he was quite a careful planner. He supposedly was a stickler for details. I will try and find the links to those statements now,brb.

 

[LambChop]

The dress: I think the dress could be something significant in regards to what may have happened. RG's family is saying the dress was her favorite leading us to believe there was only one. We see her wearing it out in the evening to a party and once at the Rum Reef Restaurant on Monday and again on Tuesday. On Tuesday they actually go into the restaurant to eat. Servers claim RG hardly touched her salad so was she not really hungry because she felt drugged and was not interested in eating? Or was the conversation too stressful for her and she lost her appetite. But RG would lead us to believe she is dressed for dinner with her wedge high heeled sandals and wearing makeup.

Later we hear her dress is found thrown/or placed quite a distance from the towels which are still neatly laid down on the ground no wind disturbing them. If this were RG's only dress that she brought with her, or if this were her favorite dress would it make sense that she would just throw her dress over on some rocks when the car is sitting right there? You would think she would have put the dress neatly in the car on the seat so it could easily be slipped into, not left out on those jagged rocks to get torn should the wind pick up. To me this just does not seem right.

Another thing that is bothersome. The area where the towels were placed is a beach type road. Hard rock is under a thin layer of sand. It is no place where anyone would want to put towels down to sit and watch a sunset or enjoy the view. Plus if you are coming out of the water why would you want to wipe yourself off with towels that are full of sand. The car was right there. Leave the towels in the car.

I can see why Mr. Stein is saying there are inconsistencies and they are not all in his statements. Some of what we see looks staged because there wasn't much thought put into how it would look to those who are around the beach all the time. jmo

 

[otto]

Amanda's murder conviction was overturned and she was found not guilty on appeal - she was arrested within four days of the murder and sat in jail until her trial.
Mexico tried not to allow their "prime suspect" leave the country - look at Bruce Beresford-Redman, the Survivor Producer. He left anyway

My point is that there is nothing outrageous about someone being free to return to their native country after police have determined that there is insufficient evidence to proceed with an arrest.

 

[otto]

I think GG said RG went into the water barefoot. It would be interesting to know if LE found two sets of fins??? If he was in the water at that location he had sneakers on because he could not walk in the water without them, too many rocks. Also getting in at that location means you have to walk over jagged coral type rocks. You would cut your feet to shreds. I think he originally planned to go out further and swim back in yelling so he appeared to be in a panic but was unable to walk out far enough to get the rest of himself wet.

If he disposed of her in another remote location it would be easy to tell her he was going to take pictures of her and to get her to take her shoes and dress off. LE took his camera so I wonder if he deleted pictures of her he took at another location and could they be restored?

What is left of the gold mines is a tourist attraction. They aren't shafts they are more like tunnels you can walk into so if she were there someone would have found her by now. Plus they are not out in the open you really have to know where you are going and it would take some time to drive there. He did not have enough time as the gold mine area is closer to the northeastern side of the coast. jmo

The mine in the SE part of the Island that was searched was not a tunnel, it was a shaft where police used specialty equipment to lower one of the officers into the shaft. It took a day to search the one shaft and nothing was found. The only reason it was checked was because some flip flops were left at the top.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/13/earlyshow/saturday/main20091992.shtml

We can see that the female investigator was not concerned about sharp rocks given her choice of footwear.

 

[LambChop]

The mine in the SE part of the Island that was searched was not a tunnel, it was a shaft where police used specialty equipment to lower one of the officers into the shaft. It took a day to search the one shaft and nothing was found. The only reason it was checked was because some flip flops were left at the top.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/08/13/earlyshow/saturday/main20091992.shtml

We can see that the female investigator was not concerned about sharp rocks given her choice of footwear.

What makes you think this is an officer? The officer is to the extreme right. jmo

 

[otto]

Regarding the dress, the explanation could be quite simple. Maybe she packed light to ensure that RF wouldn't realize what she was doing. Maybe she only took one dress with her. I find it unusual that she would wear the same dress 2-3 days in a row, but maybe that was normal for Robyn. On the one hand, we know she spent a lot of money of making her body look a certain way, on the other we know she wore the same dress day after day. I doubt she would wear the same clothes day after day because some guy asked her to do that ... surely she had more independence than that ... so the obvious answer seems to be that she was comfortable wearing the same dress for days in a row.

 

[otto]

What makes you think this is an officer? The officer is to the extreme right. jmo

The place was deserted other than GG, so I'm assuming that all the people that were listening to his explanation of Robyn's disappearance are connected with the investigation.