ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 9

[vlpate]

I checked the Marriott Surf Club entrance and they also have the same type of sign. So that may be why it was so confusing to when reporting where they were staying. jmo

I still don't see an entrance to the hotel....where on the video do I look? Time. Where did Giordano stay the night he was released, or did he go straight home?

 

[vlpate]

This explanation makes perfect sense to me:


http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44187125/ns/today-today_people/t/images-woman-missing-aruba-found-camera/#.Tvse_zXOWuI
(Kelly is the lawyer for Beth Holloway Twitty)
"Giordano went through customs and was ready to board a plane back to the United States before he was detained. Lauer asked Kelly how the suspect managed to get that far.
“I’d like to think it was by design,’’ Kelly said. “I think [Aruban authorities] wanted to see what he had with him when he was trying to leave there and what he tried to discard.’’

 

[LambChop]

This explanation makes perfect sense to me:


http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44187125/ns/today-today_people/t/images-woman-missing-aruba-found-camera/#.Tvse_zXOWuI
(Kelly is the lawyer for Beth Holloway Twitty)
"Giordano went through customs and was ready to board a plane back to the United States before he was detained. Lauer asked Kelly how the suspect managed to get that far.
“I’d like to think it was by design,’’ Kelly said. “I think [Aruban authorities] wanted to see what he had with him when he was trying to leave there and what he tried to discard.’’

Thanks for that link. I had not seen this one before. Interesting how GG threatened to fire his then attorney ML for speaking to the press but did not have a problem with JB doing so. What is it that ML knows that GG was afraid he might reveal? If he told the truth why would GG be afraid of what his lawyer would talk about to the media.

JB claims that ML representing GG in the criminal case was a "conflict of interest". What does that mean? Was ML contacted by GG about a matter concerning personal injury/wrongful death??? JB claimed ML was a personal injury attorney, or at least representing GG as one. jmo

 

[LolliPop]

This explanation makes perfect sense to me:


http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/44187125/ns/today-today_people/t/images-woman-missing-aruba-found-camera/#.Tvse_zXOWuI
(Kelly is the lawyer for Beth Holloway Twitty)
"Giordano went through customs and was ready to board a plane back to the United States before he was detained. Lauer asked Kelly how the suspect managed to get that far.
“I’d like to think it was by design,’’ Kelly said. “I think [Aruban authorities] wanted to see what he had with him when he was trying to leave there and what he tried to discard.’’

Kelly doesn't know, he surmises that is the case, he also surmised much about another case you mentioned and much of that remains just that.

 

[LolliPop]

Thanks for that link. I had not seen this one before. Interesting how GG threatened to fire his then attorney ML for speaking to the press but did not have a problem with JB doing so. What is it that ML knows that GG was afraid he might reveal? If he told the truth why would GG be afraid of what his lawyer would talk about to the media.

JB claims that ML representing GG in the criminal case was a "conflict of interest". What does that mean? Was ML contacted by GG about a matter concerning personal injury/wrongful death??? JB claimed ML was a personal injury attorney, or at least representing GG as one. jmo

I would imagine if this previous lawyer did have something on Giordano, he would have spoken about that by now taking into account what has been in the media.

 

[redheadedgal]

JB claimed ML was a personal injury attorney, or at least representing GG as one. jmo

according to the attorney's website, personal injury is not listed as one of his areas of expertise/practice... ???


http://translate.google.com/transla...a:en-US:official&biw=1600&bih=1030&prmd=imvns

 

[redheadedgal]

I would imagine if this previous lawyer did have something on Giordano, he would have spoken about that by now taking into account what has been in the media.

attorney-client privilege ??

 

[LolliPop]

All depends on circumstances.

 

[neesaki]

American Tourist Drowns At Infamous Aruba Beach

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/28/american-tourist-drowns-a_n_1172433.html

Now the Huffington Post is calling the area Robyn disappeared Baby Beach.:waitasec:

 

[LambChop]

I would imagine if this previous lawyer did have something on Giordano, he would have spoken about that by now taking into account what has been in the media.

Anything you say in private to your attorney is considered attorney/client privilege if the information is considered confidential. The only one who can give ML permission to speak about what they talked about "in private" is GG. If they discussed matters in front of others it's no longer considered privilege. jmo

 

[LambChop]

according to the attorney's website, personal injury is not listed as one of his areas of expertise/practice... ???


http://translate.google.com/transla...a:en-US:official&biw=1600&bih=1030&prmd=imvns

I wasn't saying it was, lol. JB said it on GMA, "......there's a significant conflict of interest here (referring to ML representing him for personal injury and also GG's criminal case, IMO)......Not only was he (ML) seeing dollars signs, he is a personal injury lawyer where he would be getting 1/3 of the insurance and that is how that whole claim thing got started."

JB said it. He admitted that GG first hired ML as a personal injury (who also do wrongful death suits) regarding GG making a claim on the insurance policy. The only way an attorney would charge 1/3 is if GG expected the family would be bringing a suit against him. He wasn't worried about being arrested at the time. ML was representing him up until his arrest in the capacity of a personal injury case. GG had not suffered an injury so it had to be about a wrongful death suit. Any attorney can represent you in the capacity of a personal injury, it does not have to be a specialty for them. Most personal injury cases are fall down and any attorney can do that.

It appears to be...open mouth, insert foot. jmo

 

[LolliPop]

Anything you say in private to your attorney is considered attorney/client privilege. The only one who can give ML permission to speak about what they talked about "in private" is GG. If they discussed matters in front of others it's no longer considered privilege. jmo

That is not 100% correct.

There are many instances where this privilege may not apply and depends on the content.

"Anything" does not apply.

 

[neesaki]

Map of Rodgers Beach. Baby Beach is to the right.

 

[LolliPop]

I wasn't saying it was, lol. JB said it on GMA, "......there's a significant conflict of interest here (referring to ML representing him for personal injury and also GG's criminal case, IMO)......Not only was he (ML) seeing dollars signs, he is a personal injury lawyer where he would be getting 1/3 of the insurance and that is how that whole claim thing got started."

JB said it. He admitted that GG first hired ML as a personal injury (who also do wrongful death suits) regarding GG making a claim on the insurance policy. The only way an attorney would charge 1/3 is if GG expected the family would be bringing a suit against him. He wasn't worried about being arrested at the time. ML was representing him up until his arrest in the capacity of a personal injury case. GG had not suffered an injury so it had to be about a wrongful death suit. Any attorney can represent you in the capacity of a personal injury, it does not have to be a specialty for them. Most personal injury cases are fall down and any attorney can do that.

It appears to be...open mouth, insert foot. jmo

You sure about that ?

 

[LambChop]

That is not 100% correct.

There are many instances where this privilege may not apply and depends on the content.

"Anything" does not apply.

The attorney-client privilege encourages clients to disclose to their attorneys all pertinent information in legal matters by protecting such disclosures from discovery at trial. The privileged information, held strictly between the attorney and the client, may remain private as long as a court does not force disclosure. The privilege does not apply to communications between an attorney and a client that are made in furtherance of a Fraud or other crime. The responsibility for designating which information should remain confidential rests with the client. In its most common use, however, the attorney claims the privilege on behalf of the client in refusing to disclose to the court, or to any other party, requested information about the client's case."

ML cannot disclose confidential information unless GG agrees to it. ML made this statement to the public himself. jmo

 

[LolliPop]

The attorney-client privilege encourages clients to disclose to their attorneys all pertinent information in legal matters by protecting such disclosures from discovery at trial. The privileged information, held strictly between the attorney and the client, may remain private as long as a court does not force disclosure. The privilege does not apply to communications between an attorney and a client that are made in furtherance of a Fraud or other crime. The responsibility for designating which information should remain confidential rests with the client. In its most common use, however, the attorney claims the privilege on behalf of the client in refusing to disclose to the court, or to any other party, requested information about the client's case."

ML cannot disclose confidential information unless GG agrees to it. ML made this statement to the public himself. jmo

Anything does not apply.

I agree to disagree.

 

[LambChop]

You sure about that ?

Yep. My husband investigated them for 20 years.

"Every state has a civil "wrongful death statute," or set of statutes, which establish the procedures for bringing wrongful death actions. Actions for personal injury, conscious pain and suffering, or expenses incurred prior to the decedent's death are also brought by the personal representative." jmo

 

[LambChop]

Anything does not apply.

I agree to disagree.

Yes, that is correct in the sense that "anything" that GG has now discussed with the public is no longer confidential. jmo

 

[LolliPop]

Yes, that is correct in the sense that "anything" that GG has now discussed with the public is no longer confidential. jmo

Thank you for the "anything" qualification.

But it does not stop at this qualification alone, "anything" does not qualify in the wider, more broad sense either.

 

[LambChop]

Thank you for the "anything" qualification.

But it does not stop at this qualification alone, "anything" does not qualify in the wider, more broad sense either.

I'm not sure what you are talking about so if you could provide a link I think it would be helpful to understand how it applies to ML giving confidential information to the media? ML was interviewed by the media and he said he is bound by confidentiality not to give out any information on what he and GG discussed. The only thing ML would say was that "GG knows what we discussed." This would lead us to believe it may not have been what GG was alluding to in his GMA interview. JB made it very clear that he felt ML had a conflict of interest which is pretty specific claiming he was representing him in a personal injury case then a criminal one.

Also, on ML's site he lists, insurance, which would cover personal injury. jmo