ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 9

[believe09]

Thank you for the "anything" qualification.

But it does not stop at this qualification alone, "anything" does not qualify in the wider, more broad sense either.

Explain please. I would appreciate an example-I am having difficulty following here.

 

[SyraKelly]

Lollipop,have you been to Aruba?

 

[LolliPop]

Yep. My husband investigated them for 20 years.

"Every state has a civil "wrongful death statute," or set of statutes, which establish the procedures for bringing wrongful death actions. Actions for personal injury, conscious pain and suffering, or expenses incurred prior to the decedent's death are also brought by the personal representative." jmo

This would fall under the Aruban Judicial System not The US system.

I am not following you here.

 

[LambChop]

This would fall under the Aruban Judicial System not The US system.

I am not following you here.

It's just a "generic" description to show that personal injury and wrongful death can be for the same case. Your insurance, personal injury attorney, whatever you choose to call him, can handle both of those cases. If someone is bringing a wrongful death suit against you or it's a personal injury matter this attorney could handle both. It has nothing to do with the US specifically, I just happened to find that description so we can understand why JB said ML was hired as a personal injury attorney when GG was not injuried. This all centers around the insurance policy, collecting on the insurance policy and GG may have had concerns about a wrongful death suit.

Just trying to explain the connection between personal injury attorneys and wrongful death suits. jmo

 

[LolliPop]

It's just a "generic" description to show that personal injury and wrongful death can be for the same case. Your insurance, personal injury attorney, whatever you choose to call him, can handle both of those cases. If someone is bringing a wrongful death suit against you or it's a personal injury matter this attorney could handle both. It has nothing to do with the US specifically, I just happened to find that description so we can understand why JB said ML was hired as a personal injury attorney when GG was not injuried. This all centers around the insurance policy, collecting on the insurance policy and GG may have had concerns about a wrongful death suit.

Just trying to explain the connection between personal injury attorneys and wrongful death suits. jmo

Thank you for taking the time to explain this.

I fully understand now.

 

[LolliPop]

Explain please. I would appreciate an example-I am having difficulty following here.

I am sorry, it would appear that I am very confused and I apologise.

Thank you for your neutrality and fair handedness in what had become much ado about nothing.

 

[Micheline]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/aruba-murd...ano-calmly-told-authorities/story?id=14403446

I have not seen this report before but it is very interesting. The second video follows and shows the hotel room where GG stayed and the sign outside I believe is downtown so now I am really confused.

Lambchop, below the first pic is a still from the room of Robyn and Giordano, followed by a room of the Marriott (from their website) and then the last pic a room of the Renaissance (from their website) :

All rooms of both hotels are decorated the same way, you can see how the Marriott uses darker wood, light carpet and a reddish bottom spread, where the Renaissance uses lighter wood, blue carpet and a yellow bottom spread.
The room showed in the video belongs to the Marriott.

 

[LambChop]

Lambchop, below the first pic is a still from the room of Robyn and Giordano, followed by a room of the Marriott (from their website) and then the last pic a room of the Renaissance (from their website) :

All rooms of both hotels are decorated the same way, you can see how the Marriott uses darker wood, light carpet and a reddish bottom spread, where the Renaissance uses lighter wood, blue carpet and a yellow bottom spread.
The room showed in the video belongs to the Marriott.

No, I believe you. I just remember seeing the fountain downtown and when I looked the Surf Club up on line it looks as if they have one also. So, I believe what you are saying. I initially had the impression that is where they were staying and then the media reported they were downtown so I went with that. Thanks

 

[LambChop]

Thank you for taking the time to explain this.

I fully understand now.

Well, sometimes I feel as if I'm talking in circles, lol. It is hard to explain and I'm sure an attorney could have given us a better explanation but what I was discussing was that ML said himself he could not discuss any conversations he had with GG only that GG knew what they had talked about.

It was JB that brought up the personal injury issue and that raises a big red flag and may have been instrumental in why LE started looking closely at GG's inconsistencies. I mean, why would he need a personal injury lawyer??? Certainly not for that scratch he had on his neck. jmo

 

[Micheline]

No, I believe you. I just remember seeing the fountain downtown and when I looked the Surf Club up on line it looks as if they have one also. So, I believe what you are saying. I initially had the impression that is where they were staying and then the media reported they were downtown so I went with that. Thanks

YW. I agree with what you said about it not making much sense if they were there for just 5 days to go to the area they went to twice.

There was a woman on HelpFindRobyn when the case was first in the media, who had met Giordano and Robyn at the beach near the Marriott, I think she said Robyn and Giordano asked her what places to visit (not sure but from what I recall she said that), I can look her post up if you want, am I allowed to post it here with a link to the FB page if I find it?

 

[LambChop]

YW. I agree with what you said about it not making much sense if they were there for just 5 days to go to the area they went to twice.

There was a woman on HelpFindRobyn when the case was first in the media, who had met Giordano and Robyn at the beach near the Marriott, I think she said Robyn and Giordano asked her what places to visit (not sure but from what I recall she said that), I can look her post up if you want, am I allowed to post it here with a link to the FB page if I find it?

I know many repeat visitors to Aruba often recommend Baby Beach to newcomers but the only times I've heard it mentioned was that it was a great place to take the children because it's similar to pool water. If they go under you can see them. And I know a lot of parents who are concerned about that. I have a grandson who fell into the pool at 18 months so I know how concerned parents are with the ocean. And usually people go down there for most of the day. It just seemed odd to go at the end of the day, two days in a row. If you were really interested the first day why didn't they go in then, you were right there. To show up the next day, at the same time and just as the sun is getting ready to set sends the hinky meter way off the charts.

Robyn did not look as if she were ready to snorkel. She looked as if she were ready for meal and and evening out on the town, just as she did the night before. Something just does not sit right. jmo

 

[vlpate]

Kelly doesn't know, he surmises that is the case, he also surmised much about another case you mentioned and much of that remains just that.

He didn't claim to "know".

“ I’d like to think it was by design,’’ Kelly said.

BE&I mine

 

[redheadedgal]

I wasn't saying it was, lol. JB said it on GMA,... " Any attorney can represent you in the capacity of a personal injury, it does not have to be a specialty for them. Most personal injury cases are fall down and any attorney can do that.

oh i know JB said this... it just surprised me when i looked up his website and saw that it didn't mention that type of law (and it made me wonder if JB was telling lies again frankly)...

i did not know any attorney could handle p-i law... so thanks for the 411 :seeya:

 

[vlpate]

Lambchop, below the first pic is a still from the room of Robyn and Giordano, followed by a room of the Marriott (from their website) and then the last pic a room of the Renaissance (from their website) :

All rooms of both hotels are decorated the same way, you can see how the Marriott uses darker wood, light carpet and a reddish bottom spread, where the Renaissance uses lighter wood, blue carpet and a yellow bottom spread.
The room showed in the video belongs to the Marriott.

So, apparently Giordano stayed at the RM when he was let out of jail...t

 

[LambChop]

So, apparently Giordano stayed at the RM when he was let out of jail...t

Yes. Closer to the airport...lol

 

[LambChop]

oh i know JB said this... it just surprised me when i looked up his website and saw that it didn't mention that type of law (and it made me wonder if JB was telling lies again frankly)...

i did not know any attorney could handle p-i law... so thanks for the 411 :seeya:

He does do personal injury. He has it listed under "insurance". That would be the personal injury such as injuries due to a traffic accident. So it is listed, just not as "personal injury". jmo

 

[LambChop]

oh i know JB said this... it just surprised me when i looked up his website and saw that it didn't mention that type of law (and it made me wonder if JB was telling lies again frankly)...

i did not know any attorney could handle p-i law... so thanks for the 411 :seeya:

I think the part that bothers me the most, and again it's another inconsistency, is GG claiming on GMA that his attorney was the one who told him to call the insurance company and report her missing. So he would lead us to believe he contacted the attorney to get advice about the insurance company which would have cost him a couple of dollars. JB then interrupts GG and claims that ML wanted GG to sign an agreement for 1/3 of the insurance money. The fee for a personal injury lawsuit is 1/3 of monies you receive as a settlement. So who was suing GG, or was it who GG feared might be suing him for that money. GG was clearly the beneficiary in the policy and certainly didn't have to ask an attorney for advice on whether or not to call the insurance company. He could call the insurance company and get that advice for free. Also, GG claims he has always purchased insurance when traveling and it appears he has traveled quite a bit so I would think he had read his policy and would already know that detail.

Then you have the media reporting that GG told ML he was no longer permitted to speak to the media which leads us to believe ML was relaying information that may have conflicted with what he had told LE or others. ML now claims after GG's interview with GMA that he can't speak because of the attorney/client privilege other than to say that GG knows what we discussed.

This leaves a lot of questions hanging in the air. The remarks GG made to RG's mother comes to mind, that he had gotten his sneakers wet while searching for her daughter????? I guess $1.5m will buy a lot of sneakers. jmo

 

[neesaki]

Yes, so many inconsistencies. Such as JB claiming on national TV that GG didn't need 1.5 million dollars. Ha! He's so clueless he doesn't even know how ridiculous he sounds.

Suspect in Aruba claimed money woes

"A January filing says that when his child support was set in 2009, Mr. Giordano’s monthly income in 2009 was $4,827 — or about $58,000 annually. At that time, he was paying $616 per month.
“Since that order, there has been a material change in circumstances,” the court filing says.
It asks a judge to reconsider the child-support amount Mr. Giordano paid based on 2010 financial records that indicated his earnings were “significantly lower than the figure used for calculating support at the last hearing.” BBM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/23/suspect-in-aruba-claimed-money-woes/#disqus_thread6

And btw, since when is an annual income of $58,000 considered wealthy. And he claimed a significantly lower income in 2010. And he has a 1.2 million dollar home? If that's the case, I would be willing to bet he couldn't even pay his property taxes.

Also, JB, why would your "wealthy" client be stealing electronics from Target stores in broad daylight? I wouldn't be surprised if JB came out next with some sort of excuse that GG has a mental illness like cleptomania, he just can't control himself, you know.

There is one other possibility. Maybe GG does have a larger income , one he is not reporting to the IRS, hmmmm.

So which is it, JB? Is your client having financial woes and living far beyond his means with his 1.2 mill house, or is your client a criminal with a large income that he doesn't report to the IRS ? Why don't you answer that question on national television, Jose?

At the very least GG is a liar and a con man, and ijmo, he is probably a murderer as well. And with JB lying through his teeth on national television he's apparently no better than GG. JMO

 

[LolliPop]

Yes, so many inconsistencies. Such as JB claiming on national TV that GG didn't need 1.5 million dollars. Ha! He's so clueless he doesn't even know how ridiculous he sounds.

Suspect in Aruba claimed money woes

"A January filing says that when his child support was set in 2009, Mr. Giordano’s monthly income in 2009 was $4,827 — or about $58,000 annually. At that time, he was paying $616 per month.
“Since that order, there has been a material change in circumstances,” the court filing says.
It asks a judge to reconsider the child-support amount Mr. Giordano paid based on 2010 financial records that indicated his earnings were “significantly lower than the figure used for calculating support at the last hearing.” BBM
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/aug/23/suspect-in-aruba-claimed-money-woes/#disqus_thread6

And btw, since when is an annual income of $58,000 considered wealthy. And he claimed a significantly lower income in 2010. And he has a 1.2 million dollar home? If that's the case, I would be willing to bet he couldn't even pay his property taxes.

Also, JB, why would your "wealthy" client be stealing electronics from Target stores in broad daylight? I wouldn't be surprised if JB came out next with some sort of excuse that GG has a mental illness like cleptomania, he just can't control himself, you know.

There is one other possibility. Maybe GG does have a larger income , one he is not reporting to the IRS, hmmmm.

So which is it, JB? Is your client having financial woes and living far beyond his means with his 1.2 mill house, or is your client a criminal with a large income that he doesn't report to the IRS ? Why don't you answer that question on national television, Jose?

At the very least GG is a liar and a con man, and ijmo, he is probably a murderer as well. And with JB lying through his teeth on national television he's apparently no better than GG. JMO

I am still confused.

Is JB a member here because you are talking directly to him ?

 

[neesaki]

I am still confused.

Is JB a member here because you are talking directly to him ?

Sorry to confuse you, but yes, I am speaking to JB, here:

Also, JB, why would your "wealthy" client be stealing electronics from Target stores in broad daylight?

And here:

So which is it, JB? Is your client having financial woes and living far beyond his means with his 1.2 mill house, or is your client a criminal with a large income that he doesn't report to the IRS ? Why don't you answer that question on national television, Jose?

And he may well be a member here, though I couldn't say for sure.