ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 9

[neesaki]

If we believe the fishermans story that they left the beach and he never saw them again that day, when would he plant the towel?

If at that time they were leaving the beach, he wouldn't know when it would be discovered. Could have been the moment they walked off the beach.

The fisherman says he never saw him on the beach again that day so its doubtful to me to think he returned carrying a towel and dress to plant when he had no idea if someone would see him

JMO

Well, GG must have returned to the beach for the towels and dress to be there. Perhaps he returned right before he went up to the restaurant and started nonchalantly banging on the shutters. It would only take a minute or two to lay two towels on the ground and throw a dress on the rocks.

Perhaps all of this happened after the fishermen left the area. JMO

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

If you say to your girlfriend, "he's obviously not the one for you", is that an opinion? Yes, obviously.

OTOH, if you said, "he told me he's not the one for you", then it would, obviously, be a fact.

OK. the statement "he's obviously not the one for you" Has not been confirmed by the boyfriend, to You, therefore it is Your opinion. Yes obviously

The statement : Aruba, obviously wants this story to go away" Has not been confirmed to You, not even MM, therefore , is that an opinion?, Yes obviously.

I think that makes sense?

I 'm sorry, maybe I missed your point completely, that is certainly possible.LOL!:crazy:

 

[Dushi]

Well, GG must have returned to the beach for the towels and dress to be there. Perhaps he returned right before he went up to the restaurant and started nonchalantly banging on the shutters. It would only take a minute or two to lay two towels on the ground and throw a dress on the rocks.

Perhaps all of this happened after the fishermen left the area. JMO

LOL, and this is where the confusion comes in for me

One fisherman or two?

Because one was still there when police arrived

Oh dear, confusing

 

[neesaki]

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LOL, and this is where the confusion comes in for me

One fisherman or two?

Because one was still there when police arrived

Oh dear, confusing

BBM. I so agree, just makes me want to :banghead:

 

[Dushi]

This one just says on the beach so who knows...


Lejuez said that during the hearing prosecutors disclosed that a DNA test confirmed that blood found on a towel came from Gardner. But the attorney said that Giordano has maintained that she cut her toe on a rock while they were on a beach and used the towel to stop the bleeding.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/29/robyn-gardner-blood-towel_n_1065041.html

 

[Dushi]

The couple allegedly walked behind the restaurant to a jetty over a rocky beach, where Giordano claimed Robyn had cut her bare foot on the rocks.

http://www.examiner.com/news-analys...to-recreate-final-hours-life-of-robyn-gardner

 

[Dushi]

Robyn Gardner was groggy from sleeping pills, vodka and a meal when she went into the water in Aruba where she quickly cut her toe, forcing her out of the water, a source told ABC News

http://abcnews.go.com/International...s-clash-hours/comments?type=story&id=14370011


Her meal consisted of a salad which she did not eat

 

[otto]

Here's the video Islandsurfer friend posted about Nanki beach showing the rocks and water video.

http://bentpage.wordpress.com/2011/09/14/snorkeling-at-rocky-point-aruba/

Thank you for posting this. I have the same question I had about another video that was posted by media: is that the correct location? I understand that Nanki beach is along an arc running from behind the JADS dive shop to the tip of the peninsula. There was a NG program quite some time ago where two reporters claimed that they were following the same route and parking location as GG and Robyn. In that footage, they drove to the end of the peninsula. The water at the end of the peninsula does not appear to be rocky like it is directly behind, or next to, the JADS dive shop. Instead, the water at the end of the peninsula appears to be mostly sand, but very close to the dangerous tides.

Baby Beach is manmade. It has a small opening to the more dangerous waters and people have been known to either drown, or get into serious trouble, when they were near the opening to Baby Beach. Because of this, it would not surprise me if Robyn and GG got into trouble in the water if they were closer to the end of the peninsula.

I've become a little curious about whether there is a focus on the rough part of the beach in order to sway opinions against GG, or whether that is indeed the exact spot where they went into the water. The footage of GG with investigators appears to be a different location.

 

[rossva]

what beating?

If it was GG who said she cut her toe on a rock how do we know that's even true. It could be blood from the beating he gave her. They only found blood on the hotel room towel, not at the beach!!

 

[Sapphire]

The pictures had a time stamp in the upper left corner and the word "paused" on the upper right corner, so it appears to be a video still from a security camera (consumer video cameras don't put a time counter in the frame). Also, there is video of him banging on the windows afterwards trying to atttract attention.

So apparently there were security cameras there, and the report you linked is mistaken.

If you watched the first 10 seconds of the video at the link I provided, there is no time stamps on any of the pictures taken by the tourist. Can you please provide a link to these pictures in question with a time stamp?


Also, IIRC, the Rum Reef Restaurant and JADS share the same building. Are we sure Giordano was knocking on the doors of the restaurant or was he knocking on the doors of the dive center, which has security cameras.

 

[MaryAnn]

what beating?

jmo The one that killed her

 

[Dushi]

Everything I have read states Gary was back at the restaurant
No mention of the dive shop


Video footage from a few hours later shows Giordano back at the restaurant, without Gardner, knocking on windows and doors, though the restaurant is closed.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlin...-30-more-days-in-robyn-gardner-disappearance/

Searches in Aruba have proved fruitless in turning up any sign of Ms. Gardner, though the last known photos taken of her show her leaving a restaurant in the company of Mr. Giordano just hours before he returned to the same restaurant to report her missing.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...iding-whether-keep-giordano-detaine/?page=all

 

[LambChop]

Thread number 4, Post 468 give you a picture of the exact spot where GG claims he and RG went into the water. I was unable to link to it so if someone else can bring it over we can see it on this thread. Thanks

Posted at the location list above is a picture of where GG claims to have gone into the water and it's very rocky. He admits she cut her toe on the rocks to account for the blood.

When there is a storm out at sea the currents do get rough in this area but Mr. Stein has reported that was not the case on the day RG disappeared. Low wind and the currents were not strong at all. Investigators also find it odd her body did not surface because of the water temperature and the fact that there were no strong currents to pull her out.....at least not in that location. jmo

 

[LambChop]

If you watched the first 10 seconds of the video at the link I provided, there is no time stamps on any of the pictures taken by the tourist. Can you please provide a link to these pictures in question with a time stamp?


Also, IIRC, the Rum Reef Restaurant and JADS share the same building. Are we sure Giordano was knocking on the doors of the restaurant or was he knocking on the doors of the dive center, which has security cameras.

The security camera are at the restaurant. I've never heard that a tourist took pictures of them.

 

[Sapphire]

Everything I have read states Gary was back at the restaurant
No mention of the dive shop


Video footage from a few hours later shows Giordano back at the restaurant, without Gardner, knocking on windows and doors, though the restaurant is closed.

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlin...-30-more-days-in-robyn-gardner-disappearance/

Searches in Aruba have proved fruitless in turning up any sign of Ms. Gardner, though the last known photos taken of her show her leaving a restaurant in the company of Mr. Giordano just hours before he returned to the same restaurant to report her missing.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...iding-whether-keep-giordano-detaine/?page=all

Okay...so he was at the restaurant.

IMO, any video shots that were taken of Robyn and Giordano came from the surveillance cameras of the dive shop, not the restaurant. One of the cameras could have been pointed in the direction of the restaurant. I believe the media spokesperson was speaking the truth when she said there were no security cameras at the restaurant.

 

[otto]

Posted at the location list above is a picture of where GG claims to have gone into the water and it's very rocky. He admits she cut her toe on the rocks to account for the blood.

When there is a storm out at sea the currents do get rough in this area but Mr. Stein has reported that was not the case on the day RG disappeared. Low wind and the currents were not strong at all. Investigators also find it odd her body did not surface because of the water temperature and the fact that there were no strong currents to pull her out.....at least not in that location. jmo

Let's see if this works:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18523&d=1315172796

 

[Sapphire]

The security camera are at the restaurant. I've never heard that a tourist took pictures of them.

Regarding the tourist who took the "photos":



<snip>


COOPER: Yes. It raises a whole heck of a lot of questions. These photos that have been released, where are they from? I mean, do we know who took them? How'd they come to be?

SAVIDGE: These are pretty interesting photos. These are, of course, photos that are taken at the Rum Reef Bar and Grill. This is where they were having their meal. And you are watching as Gary and Robyn walk away. And this, by the way, is the last time we will see Robyn Gardner.

And I asked the authorities -- first of all they're releasing them because they hope that people on the island will see these, see them in the clothes they were wearing and that this will have more eyewitnesses come forward and tell them how they may have seen this couple later.

But I said, well, who took these pictures. I mean, who takes pictures of people walking away? The authorities said, actually, it was a worker at the bar whose daughter has tattoos. Noticed the tattoos that Robyn Gardner has, which are quite prolific, and decided to take photos as she walked away. It sounds a bit bizarre, but those are the photographs, and they're out there now. And that is, as I say, we watch Robyn walk away to a fate as yet unknown.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1108/24/acd.02.html

 

[LambChop]

Thank you for posting this. I have the same question I had about another video that was posted by media: is that the correct location? I understand that Nanki beach is along an arc running from behind the JADS dive shop to the tip of the peninsula. There was a NG program quite some time ago where two reporters claimed that they were following the same route and parking location as GG and Robyn. In that footage, they drove to the end of the peninsula. The water at the end of the peninsula does not appear to be rocky like it is directly behind, or next to, the JADS dive shop. Instead, the water at the end of the peninsula appears to be mostly sand, but very close to the dangerous tides.

Baby Beach is manmade. It has a small opening to the more dangerous waters and people have been known to either drown, or get into serious trouble, when they were near the opening to Baby Beach. Because of this, it would not surprise me if Robyn and GG got into trouble in the water if they were closer to the end of the peninsula.

I've become a little curious about whether there is a focus on the rough part of the beach in order to sway opinions against GG, or whether that is indeed the exact spot where they went into the water. The footage of GG with investigators appears to be a different location.

At the end of the peninsula and directly across from that opening there is a channel that runs along side that part of the island. It's not too wide and just deep enough for snorkeler's to use and safe because it is protected from the open ocean. GG went no where near that area. There could still have been people on the beach and coming out of the water at that point so if he wanted to snorkel that would have been the place to do it but he was on the wrong side. This could also be where some of the witnesses came from.

Also GG claims to have run approximately about 100 yards (length of a football field) to get to the restaurant. His car was parked there so they know where he went in. This would not have put him at the very end of the peninsula. jmo

 

[Dushi]

Just throwing this out there.....

Could he have exited the water in a different place than he went in?

 

[LambChop]

Let's see if this works:

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18523&d=1315172796

Perfect. Thanks