ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 9

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  • #821
LC, NH and her classmates left their phones in their hotel rooms because their Nextel didn't get a signal on the island. Is this true today, and if so, is it just Nextel, or all providers?

I don't think he would need a date rape drug if he had access to her ambien. If I drank with it, you could throw me over a cliff and I would never know you picked me up. I had two glasses of wine one night before taking an ambien, four days later the ugliest coat you've ever seen arrived in the office from QVC...I totally didn't remember ordering the coat until it arrived, and then the memory was vague. If he gave her more than one, wow, dead to the world, I would imagine. I know LE probably counted the pills and inquired of her roommate or ex-boyfriend, how often she took them.

I can certainly believe this as I have taken an Ambien on a few occasions, and if I don't go to bed immediately, I do not know or remember a thing. I have total amnesia. I took one one night, and I made the mistake of not going immediately to bed. My husband told me the next day, that I came to the bedroom and was standing by the bed saying, "is this my bed", "is this my bed", "is this my bed". I woke up in bed the next morning with my day clothes on. Didn't remember a thing. I have to say I have never experienced anything else like this before.

I am apparently very sensitive to it, so I have decided I either will not take Ambien at all, or I might consider a half dose as I do have really terrible insomnia at times. But I have to think, what if there were an emergency during the night, I probably would never awake, it is quite scary. jmo
 
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I can certainly believe this as I have taken an Ambien on a few occasions, and if I don't go to bed immediately, I do not know or remember a thing. I have total amnesia. I took one one night, and I made the mistake of not going immediately to bed. My husband told me the next day, that I came to the bedroom and was standing by the bed saying, "is this my bed", "is this my bed", "is this my bed". I woke up in bed the next morning with my day clothes on. Didn't remember a thing. I have to say I have never experienced anything else like this before.

I am apparently very sensitive to it, so I have decided I either will not take Ambien at all, or I might consider a half dose as I do have really terrible insomnia at times. But I have to think, what if there were an emergency during the night, I probably would never awake, it is quite scary. jmo

I've had a few emergencies on property in the middle of the night, usually an hour or so after taking an ambien, and I was able to wake up just fine. In one case there was a fire - I had to get dressed and talk to fire personnel, lol. It was like torture, but I was coherent. I wonder if her prescription was for time release. I've taken those before and the initial effect wears off after about 30 minutes and I'd be wide awake, only to get a second wave later. They're designed to keep you asleep, rather than waking up and not going back to sleep.

Cracking up over "is this my bed"? lol
 
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I am so sorry but this definitely was funny. I can just see the look on your face when you opened the package. To think this is what happened to Robyn is sad. I don't think she would take a sleeping pill during the day while she was on vacation. It just makes no sense.

I have Verison and I can call out and receive calls. You just let Verison know you want to be able to make international calls. It is cheaper to send a text message so that is how I keep in touch with my daughter at home while I'm there. That and the computer. He could have called and if he traveled a lot I don't see him not knowing he could use his phone in Aruba. He certainly had no problems calling the insurance company and I'm sure he used his cell phone. Hotel charge big bucks to call home. Doesn't the satellite connect you to the nearest 911 operator??? He said he did not know the number. Okay. jmo
BEM...and yet he can quote an obscure Holland tourism guide on what to do if someone goes missing - which I believe he said it stated law enforcement should be called first.
 
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I've had a few emergencies on property in the middle of the night, usually an hour or so after taking an ambien, and I was able to wake up just fine. In one case there was a fire - I had to get dressed and talk to fire personnel, lol. It was like torture, but I was coherent. I wonder if her prescription was for time release. I've taken those before and the initial effect wears off after about 30 minutes and I'd be wide awake, only to get a second wave later. They're designed to keep you asleep, rather than waking up and not going back to sleep.

Cracking up over "is this my bed"? lol

BBM. Well, if I do decide to ever take it again, this is some reassurance. I would take a half dose in any case. I read that these strange side effects occur within the first 30 minutes or so after taking Ambien, if you do not go immediately to bed so I would for sure not stay up even for a few minutes. Believe me, my husband doesn't need any extra ammunition to tease me with, lol. Thanks, vl :)
 
  • #827
The thought has occurred to me, what if Robyn actually did take the sleeping pill herself, maybe she did so because she was so miserable with GG, and was just trying get through until time to return home.

But then, I go back to GG's history of how he exploits and abuses women. And to him going out to the car and refilling a cup, and I think it's more likely that he drugged her drink with her own prescription drug without her knowledge.

One question though, the tablet would have to be crushed up I assume, wonder how quickly it would dissolve. That means he would have to have crushed it ahead of time?

And too, it's likely that GG has had previous experience doing just that in order to take advantage of women so he could take his disgusting photos. :(

I would love to hear what GG's explanation would be if someone asked him why Robyn took a sleeping pill in the middle of the day.

Actually, I have a lot of questions for GG. I keep visualizing all of us sleuthers getting together and going to his house, walking up to his door, ringing the doorbell, and cornering him with all the questions we want answers to. Now that would really be a trip. :giggle: :websleuther: :websleuther: :websleuther:
 
  • #828
It is interesting too that GG leaves and returns to the restaurant with a cup at 4pm, RG is seen entering the ladies room at 4:07pm and they are leaving at 4:16pm. Somewhere between 4pm and 4:16 the server packed up a meal in a carryout tray (GG is holding it as they leave) and they paid their bill. Why would he have run to the car to get another drink (which he admits) when they were getting ready to leave? It seems like strange behavior for someone who is drinking moderately. With everything else considered it seems suspicious at the very least. jmo
 
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It is interesting too that GG leaves and returns to the restaurant with a cup at 4pm, RG is seen entering the ladies room at 4:07pm and they are leaving at 4:16pm. Somewhere between 4pm and 4:16 the server packed up a meal in a carryout tray (GG is holding it as they leave) and they paid their bill. Why would he have run to the car to get another drink (which he admits) when they were getting ready to leave? It seems like strange behavior for someone who is drinking moderately. With everything else considered it seems suspicious at the very least. jmo

is this the only time on the video for that afternoon that GG brings in a cup from his car? is the video from a constant surveillance? I am trying to figure if this is the only time during the full time that they were in that restaurant/bar that GG brings in a cup from his car.

Weren't they also there the day before? so I am wondering if GG brings in any cups that day.......? if there is surveillance cam footage to show that is the one and only time he brings in a cup from his car, over both days, that will further cement it in my mind that he put something in that drink.
 
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is this the only time on the video for that afternoon that GG brings in a cup from his car? is the video from a constant surveillance? I am trying to figure if this is the only time during the full time that they were in that restaurant/bar that GG brings in a cup from his car.

Weren't they also there the day before? so I am wondering if GG brings in any cups that day.......? if there is surveillance cam footage to show that is the one and only time he brings in a cup from his car, over both days, that will further cement it in my mind that he put something in that drink.

No. As they entered the restaurant they both had blue cups. GG leaves around 4 with the cup and returns with the cup and they leave at 4:16. The restaurant was closed the day before when they visited so they were only walking outside from what the video shows.

They also had the blue cups with them at the beach party the night before. jmo
 
  • #831
It is interesting, too, that as GG and RG are leaving the restaurant he carrying a food container in one hand and his other hand is down at his side and he is holding it as if it is empty. RG on the other hand is holding her cup up as if not to spill what is left in her cup. So it appears RG's cup may have been empty and her's appears to still have something in it. Since he was just out to the car minutes before to get a refill it appears it may have been for RG only.

Another thing that is puzzling. GG appears sober in the videos around 6:15 as he is walking up the steps. How did he get so drunk by the time police questioned him while he was sitting on the rock? It must have been around 7:30 or later because it is completely dark out. Was he really drunk or was LE catching him already in some inconsistencies and he was trying to sound drunk? Funny he showed up 12 hours later with an attorney for them to resume the search. jmo
 
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Gary-- If you are reading here, on the chance you are, PLEASE tell police if there's more to Robyn's disappearance that you're not telling. Let her family and friends find peace. It's a new year-- Use it! A time for renewal and change. Do it for your sons-- so this is not hanging over your family like a dark angry storm cloud. We've read so much negative press about you and the events in your history that are less than exemplary. The time is now to reverse the bad direction your life has taken. It's time to be brave and make the correct decision. Don't fathers desire to be a good role-model for their sons? Model them compassion and strength and integrity. It's not too late. The choice is yours. Please.
 
  • #833
We have seen RF on a number of interview shows but I have not seen anyone from RG's family doing any interviews. I wonder if the FBI has asked them not to do them?

As far as GG being a father who wants to be a good role-model for his sons I think that ship has sailed. We know he included his sons in the interviews to keep from being asked about those pictures he took of RG that were found in his camera. I'm sure he does love his sons but not more than he loves himself. jmo
 
  • #834
We have seen RF on a number of interview shows but I have not seen anyone from RG's family doing any interviews. I wonder if the FBI has asked them not to do them?

As far as GG being a father who wants to be a good role-model for his sons I think that ship has sailed. We know he included his sons in the interviews to keep from being asked about those pictures he took of RG that were found in his camera. I'm sure he does love his sons but not more than he loves himself. jmo

You got that right LambChop. Who in their right mind would put their children on TV knowing that most people can't stand you? That is the most selfish thing I have ever heard. Exposing their faces to the public so that when they go to school all the other children can poke fun of them. This is all a smoke screen for his plan that hasn't panned out as well as he thought. Hopefully he will never get the life insurance money. I wonder if we will ever find Robyn? or Natalie?
 
  • #835
The thought has occurred to me, what if Robyn actually did take the sleeping pill herself, maybe she did so because she was so miserable with GG, and was just trying get through until time to return home.

But then, I go back to GG's history of how he exploits and abuses women. And to him going out to the car and refilling a cup, and I think it's more likely that he drugged her drink with her own prescription drug without her knowledge.

One question though, the tablet would have to be crushed up I assume, wonder how quickly it would dissolve. That means he would have to have crushed it ahead of time?

And too, it's likely that GG has had previous experience doing just that in order to take advantage of women so he could take his disgusting photos. :(

I would love to hear what GG's explanation would be if someone asked him why Robyn took a sleeping pill in the middle of the day.

Actually, I have a lot of questions for GG. I keep visualizing all of us sleuthers getting together and going to his house, walking up to his door, ringing the doorbell, and cornering him with all the questions we want answers to. Now that would really be a trip. :giggle: :websleuther: :websleuther: :websleuther:

good idea! We can call ourselves the Websleuth Vigilantes. LOL...
 
  • #836
One question though, the tablet would have to be crushed up I assume, wonder how quickly it would dissolve. That means he would have to have crushed it ahead of time?

From my recollection, I believe that Ambien is a somewhat small, oblong, white pill which could probably be crushed very easily, although I have no idea of how soluble it might be in any liquid.

Perhaps some of you who legitmately use Ambien might be willing to see if it is easily crushed, readily dissolved (in water, juice, or whatever), and possibly tasteless (probably more so in juice, I'd imagine), all in the spirit of helping us figure out if RG could have been duped into drinking a "mickey"? Of course, if such a suggestion is outside the rules of this forum, then by all means, please disregard and accept my apology.
 
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TheWNP--

i googled ambien the other day...

it's easily crushed and mixes well with liquid. both crushing the drug and mixing it with alcohol can quicken the onset of any effects. it's also tasteless when combined with liquid.

hope this helps!
 
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A 25 year old discusses his experience with Ambien (Zolpidem.)



Psychedelic Sleeping Pill?
Zolpidem
by benzo


<snip>

I normally used Ambien while being on no other medications or drugs and this report is about zolpidem effects alone. The typical experience with 10 mg taken late evening goes as follows:

T+00: 10 mg taken, always on an empty stomach, works poorly if not. After this I am really supposed to go to bed but the whole trick is to stay up and see what happens...

T+10-30 mins: At a sudden point, virtually from one minute to another, the effects begin. It always begins with a strange light feeling in the head, sometimes a pounding sensation in the front and back of the head. Then mouth and throat become somewhat dry. Something odd happens to the light in the room, it seems to fade slightly. There is a sense of movement in the peripheral vision. Relaxation and sudden joy build up, almost makes me want to laugh.

As the effects keep coming up over the next 10 mins or so, relaxation becomes more pronounced. There is a feeling of beeing light and free and worries/anxieties are swept away. Skin feels different, almost fuzzy. Movement in the peripheral vision increases and spreads to entire field of vision. As long as I constantly look around the room nothing is unusual but as soon as I keep still and stare at the same point strange things happen: Patterns on floor, wallpaper, furniture etc. start to breathe and move in wave-like motions. Curtains seem to move in a light breeze of wind. Objects in the room are moving, but without going anywhere. Entire surfaces like floors or walls can become completely liquified and it looks so real I sometimes touch the wall/floor, almost expecting my fingers to melt into it. Strong light looks odd and fuzzy. Every strong source of light leaves afterimages and tracers normally not seen. If all light is turned off for a long while and then suddenly turned on, it is not unpleasant, but seem to fade in slowly without hurting the eyes.

Not usually, but sometimes I have experienced disturbances in sound perception too: sound is altered, seems to come from from a remote place. If I keep my eyes shut for a while in a darkened room, there is actually some visual activity. There is a sense of a geometric pattern, it's so faint it's almost not there, but yet I always see it on Ambien while I have never been able see it in a 'sober' condition without Ambien. It's as if the pattern lies deep down in a hole or tunnel, a hole that I can travel into, into the pattern. Very bizarre, but magical. I have seen geometric patterns on mushrooms too, but they were very different in nature, brighter but fast moving and short-lived. But I am surprised that Ambien actually does this to me.

Apart from all this, there are a some physical effects. Motor skills are slightly impaired, muscles seem to weaken and loose precision, and walking is slightly odd in a way different from staggering on alcohol. Speech is slurred. Dryness in throat/mouth which can sometimes develop into a bad cough.

T+1 hour: At this time the effects are usually peaking. After this point nothing new happens, and the visual effects starts fading away now. Relaxation and deep mental effects persist for a couple of hours more though. These mental effects are quite strong actually. Worries, anxieties, all sorts of complex mind-noise disappear and thoughts seem to clear and simplify and concentrate about basic things like breathing and being alive. Sometimes there is joy, sometimes mellowness. Feelings of sudden affection are common. I easily get very philosophical too on Ambien. There is also another interesting effect, you could call it 'mind-drifting'. As soon as I don't concentrate on specific thoughts, my mind seem to drift off and produce chains of sudden random thoughts, which are difficult to control or explain. Very similar to what happens during the seconds just before falling asleep. But on Ambien it tends to happen when you are still fully awake.

T+1.5-2 hours: At this point effects are generally wearing off and I go to bed, falling asleep almost at once.

T+8-10 hours: No after-effects felt beyond this point. After-effects before this point include drowsiness and a 'hangover' feeling not unlike one from alcohol.

<snip>

Conclusion: Zolpidem/Ambien is in my view a quite interesting drug, with some effects that are almost psychedelic in nature. Big time visual distortions and a deep mental impact. Not just another sleeping drug like so many others. A substance called zopiclone is said to be quite similar to zolpidem but longer-lasting. I have tried it and it produced relaxation and tiredness, but nothing interesting. I hope I can someday try the new, also related zaleplon/Sonata and see how that behaves. Ambien is quite harmless if taken alone in smaller quantities, but it definitely produces dependency and withdrawal signs in long-term use, so take care.


Exp Year: 2002 ID: 14039
Gender: Male
Added: Dec 22, 2004

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=14039
 
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A 25 year old discusses his experience with Ambien (Zolpidem.)



Psychedelic Sleeping Pill?
Zolpidem
by benzo


<snip>

I normally used Ambien while being on no other medications or drugs and this report is about zolpidem effects alone. The typical experience with 10 mg taken late evening goes as follows:

T+00: 10 mg taken, always on an empty stomach, works poorly if not. After this I am really supposed to go to bed but the whole trick is to stay up and see what happens...

T+10-30 mins: At a sudden point, virtually from one minute to another, the effects begin. It always begins with a strange light feeling in the head, sometimes a pounding sensation in the front and back of the head. Then mouth and throat become somewhat dry. Something odd happens to the light in the room, it seems to fade slightly. There is a sense of movement in the peripheral vision. Relaxation and sudden joy build up, almost makes me want to laugh.

As the effects keep coming up over the next 10 mins or so, relaxation becomes more pronounced. There is a feeling of beeing light and free and worries/anxieties are swept away. Skin feels different, almost fuzzy. Movement in the peripheral vision increases and spreads to entire field of vision. As long as I constantly look around the room nothing is unusual but as soon as I keep still and stare at the same point strange things happen: Patterns on floor, wallpaper, furniture etc. start to breathe and move in wave-like motions. Curtains seem to move in a light breeze of wind. Objects in the room are moving, but without going anywhere. Entire surfaces like floors or walls can become completely liquified and it looks so real I sometimes touch the wall/floor, almost expecting my fingers to melt into it. Strong light looks odd and fuzzy. Every strong source of light leaves afterimages and tracers normally not seen. If all light is turned off for a long while and then suddenly turned on, it is not unpleasant, but seem to fade in slowly without hurting the eyes.

Not usually, but sometimes I have experienced disturbances in sound perception too: sound is altered, seems to come from from a remote place. If I keep my eyes shut for a while in a darkened room, there is actually some visual activity. There is a sense of a geometric pattern, it's so faint it's almost not there, but yet I always see it on Ambien while I have never been able see it in a 'sober' condition without Ambien. It's as if the pattern lies deep down in a hole or tunnel, a hole that I can travel into, into the pattern. Very bizarre, but magical. I have seen geometric patterns on mushrooms too, but they were very different in nature, brighter but fast moving and short-lived. But I am surprised that Ambien actually does this to me.

Apart from all this, there are a some physical effects. Motor skills are slightly impaired, muscles seem to weaken and loose precision, and walking is slightly odd in a way different from staggering on alcohol. Speech is slurred. Dryness in throat/mouth which can sometimes develop into a bad cough.

T+1 hour: At this time the effects are usually peaking. After this point nothing new happens, and the visual effects starts fading away now. Relaxation and deep mental effects persist for a couple of hours more though. These mental effects are quite strong actually. Worries, anxieties, all sorts of complex mind-noise disappear and thoughts seem to clear and simplify and concentrate about basic things like breathing and being alive. Sometimes there is joy, sometimes mellowness. Feelings of sudden affection are common. I easily get very philosophical too on Ambien. There is also another interesting effect, you could call it 'mind-drifting'. As soon as I don't concentrate on specific thoughts, my mind seem to drift off and produce chains of sudden random thoughts, which are difficult to control or explain. Very similar to what happens during the seconds just before falling asleep. But on Ambien it tends to happen when you are still fully awake.

T+1.5-2 hours: At this point effects are generally wearing off and I go to bed, falling asleep almost at once.

T+8-10 hours: No after-effects felt beyond this point. After-effects before this point include drowsiness and a 'hangover' feeling not unlike one from alcohol.

<snip>

Conclusion: Zolpidem/Ambien is in my view a quite interesting drug, with some effects that are almost psychedelic in nature. Big time visual distortions and a deep mental impact. Not just another sleeping drug like so many others. A substance called zopiclone is said to be quite similar to zolpidem but longer-lasting. I have tried it and it produced relaxation and tiredness, but nothing interesting. I hope I can someday try the new, also related zaleplon/Sonata and see how that behaves. Ambien is quite harmless if taken alone in smaller quantities, but it definitely produces dependency and withdrawal signs in long-term use, so take care.


Exp Year: 2002 ID: 14039
Gender: Male
Added: Dec 22, 2004

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=14039

LOL!!! AAHHHHH to be 25 again! :fireworks::sigh:
 
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