ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 9

[Dushi]

The side of Jads

 

[Dushi]

Looking towards rogers beach from behind Rum reef

 

[TheWNP]

Thanks for sharing the pictures from your recent trip to Aruba. Since you didn't provide a comment for these two, should I assume that they are a continuation of the post just prior to it, i.e. taken from the jetty/peninsula? Did you happen to take any from the location where GG claimed they entered the water, or was that even identifiable?

 

[Dushi]

Thanks for sharing the pictures from your recent trip to Aruba. Since you didn't provide a comment for these two, should I assume that they are a continuation of the post just prior to it, i.e. taken from the jetty/peninsula? Did you happen to take any from the location where GG claimed they entered the water, or was that even identifiable?

The Nanki area covers quite a bit of space
I can't determine where he says they went in the water.
If you look at the reenactment, it appears there is a lot of vegetation at the spot where the actors/police went in the water


The above pics were taken on the peninsula, looking out over Baby beach, where the cove meets the open water

 

[LambChop]

From LE reports GG claims to have gone into the water approximately 100 yards past the restaurant. That is a little less than the length of a football field. Looking at these pictures there is no way I'd be walking on this rocks in my barefeet. jmo

 

[Dushi]

From LE reports GG claims to have gone into the water approximately 100 yards past the restaurant. That is a little less than the length of a football field. Looking at these pictures there is no way I'd be walking on this rocks in my barefeet. jmo

In which direction?
Past the restaurant on the left or the right?
These rocks in the above pics are on the sides of the peninsula
The whole area is not like that.
Some areas are very rocky, like the area where the reporters were standing
Other areas are not

 

[Dushi]

I do wonder why any of this is important because if we are to believe the Fisherman, they left the area without ever going into the water

So it seems the condition of the shore or water is not important

If the fisherman is telling the truth, Garys lie isn't where they went in the water, its that they DID go into the water

 

[katydid23]

I do wonder why any of this is important because if we are to believe the Fisherman, they left the area without ever going into the water

So it seems the condition of the shore or water is not important

If the fisherman is telling the truth, Garys lie isn't where they went in the water, its that they DID go into the water

Now there is something I am totally in agreement with.

 

[LambChop]

I do wonder why any of this is important because if we are to believe the Fisherman, they left the area without ever going into the water

So it seems the condition of the shore or water is not important

If the fisherman is telling the truth, Garys lie isn't where they went in the water, its that they DID go into the water

Along with all the other apparent lies he has told this one seemed to have been a big red flag for LE.

Reports seem to indicate it was the peninsula, in answer to your previous question. jmo

 

[Dushi]

Along with all the other apparent lies he has told this one seemed to have been a big red flag for LE.

Reports seem to indicate it was the peninsula, in answer to your previous question. jmo

I don't recall reading anything about the peninsula
In fact, the only thing I do recall is Nanki beach

Can you recall where you read this? TIA

 

[LambChop]

I don't recall reading anything about the peninsula
In fact, the only thing I do recall is Nanki beach

Can you recall where you read this? TIA

I think it was in the earlier videos. And there was the underwater video that described the area they went into as "rocky point" which is the peninsula area. The piers are on Rodger's Beach and isn't Nanki the name of the area more so that the beach. Although in post #717 posted by Otto it shows the peninsula listed as Nanki Beach. Not that it matters because I think the issue was them going into the water with all the rocks and that has been well documented in most of the videos. Looking at the area it is just so hard to believe she would have gone into the water in her barefeet much less gotten in without falling after having consumed sleeping pills and vodka within a short period of time. No wonder ALE investigators were scratching their heads.

Also if you look at the videos from shows such as NG they all point out this area as where they went into the water. jmo

 

[Saracen]

I think it was in the earlier videos. And there was the underwater video that described the area they went into as "rocky point" which is the peninsula area. The piers are on Rodger's Beach and isn't Nanki the name of the area more so that the beach. Although in post #717 posted by Otto it shows the peninsula listed as Nanki Beach. Not that it matters because I think the issue was them going into the water with all the rocks and that has been well documented in most of the videos. Looking at the area it is just so hard to believe she would have gone into the water in her barefeet much less gotten in without falling after having consumed sleeping pills and vodka within a short period of time. No wonder ALE investigators were scratching their heads.

Also if you look at the videos from shows such as NG they all point out this area as where they went into the water. jmo

But has it been proven that they ever went into the water Lambchop?.. just asking..

 

[LambChop]

But has it been proven that they ever went into the water Lambchop?.. just asking..

No one saw them go in and, in fact, witnesses claim they saw them leave in their white rental car around 4:30pm. I think if it were just people claiming they never saw them go into the water it would be weak. The fact that more than one witness claims they left in the car when GG said they went right into the water, snorkeled, came out, laid out in the sun, tried to enter a second time when RG cut her toe on a rock and then after stopping the bleeding with her towel they went back in again. At the point she cut her foot it was probably way after 5:30pm and anyone with 1/2 a brain cell would have said, "Hey, it's getting late. Let's go back to the hotel and put something on that cut." GG managed to run his own business so I don't think a lack of common sense is an issue with him therefore his story comes under suspect. People who are innocent, and probably having done something very stupid that ended up being dangerous, their stories still make sense. Way too much wrong with what GG claims has happened.

Sound travels over water and I know it is windy down there but T. Stein did say it was calm and waves are generated by the wind so if it were calm there may have been very little wind. If GG were calling her or calling for help you would think someone would have heard him. He claims there was no one there yet a fishman has come forward as a witness to say they did leave and did not go into the water. jmo

 

[Dushi]

No one saw them go in and, in fact, witnesses claim they saw them leave in their white rental car around 4:30pm. I think if it were just people claiming they never saw them go into the water it would be weak. The fact that more than one witness claims they left in the car when GG said they went right into the water, snorkeled, came out, laid out in the sun, tried to enter a second time when RG cut her toe on a rock and then after stopping the bleeding with her towel they went back in again. At the point she cut her foot it was probably way after 5:30pm and anyone with 1/2 a brain cell would have said, "Hey, it's getting late. Let's go back to the hotel and put something on that cut." GG managed to run his own business so I don't think a lack of common sense is an issue with him therefore his story comes under suspect. People who are innocent, and probably having done something very stupid that ended up being dangerous, their stories still make sense. Way too much wrong with what GG claims has happened.

Sound travels over water and I know it is windy down there but T. Stein did say it was calm and waves are generated by the wind so if it were calm there may have been very little wind. If GG were calling her or calling for help you would think someone would have heard him. He claims there was no one there yet a fishman has come forward as a witness to say they did leave and did not go into the water. jmo

I disagree
Having been on the peninsula and behind the rumreef, I can say that you would not be heard unless someone was very close by.

I was there on a calm day, a bit of rain falling
All you hear is wind and sea


However, the fisherman who states he saw them leave says it all
No one has come forward and said the fisherman was lying, therefor, I don't think the weather and wind conditions are an issue.
It seems to me, they never went in the water
JMO

 

[vlpate]

But has it been proven that they ever went into the water Lambchop?.. just asking..

How would they prove or disprove they went into the water? Just asking.

 

[Saracen]

Also if you look at the videos from shows such as NG they all point out this area as where they went into the water. jmo

I was referring to the above statement vlpate, and it has not been proved conclusively that they did go into the water..JMO

 

[Saracen]

how they prove it is the investigaters problem, and without video evidence its will be virtually impossible..

 

[Dushi]

How would they prove or disprove they went into the water? Just asking.

A witness

A witness has come forward and said he saw them in the area and they left without going into the water and he says he never saw them again that day

I expect the only way to prove they did go in the water would be another witness who could dispute the fishermans story

 

[Saracen]

The fundamental question in any missing persons investigation is where were they last seen.And in this case the person was last seen getting into a car. Not going into the water.

 

[LambChop]

The fundamental question in any missing persons investigation is where were they last seen.And in this case the person was last seen getting into a car. Not going into the water.

GG claims they went right into the water while numerous witnesses say they did not. One fishman was on land, the other was in a boat and both agree GG and RG left without going into the water. LE reports there were a few witnesses who all claim the same thing. That means GG was not telling the truth and whatever he stated happened is suspect. jmo