ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 9

[vlpate]

OK

And would a prosecutor have brought it to trail without solid evidence?

You know, sometimes its as simple as that... no solid evidence

And in this case, no matter what you may think, there isn"t any

We see what we have been shown
You do not know what LE knows, and in my opinion, they know they have nothing to base charges on

This isn't based on politics
this isn't based on powerful people
This is based on no solid evidence to bring charges

Most convictions won in the US are based on circumstantial evidence. Take the Scott Peterson case. There was no direct or "hard" evidence - there was not even a cause of death established.

In virtually every jurisdiction in the US, the law is clear, both direct evidence and circumstantial evidence are accepted as a means of proof. Neither carries more weight than the other.

What, by the way, is "based on solid evidence" - you lost me there...

GG is the main, and for that matter, the only suspect in the disappearance of Robyn Gardner.
This isn't based on politics
this isn't based on powerful people
This is based on circumstantial evidence which would probably bring charges in the US

As has been witnessed in the Joran Van Der Sloot case, Aruba needs to lighten up on their "hard" evidence policy and try a little more common sense. Their law enforcement reputation has been forever tainted by the JVS case, IMO.

 

[Dushi]

Most convictions won in the US are based on circumstantial evidence. Take the Scott Peterson case. There was no direct or "hard" evidence - there was not even a cause of death established.

In virtually every jurisdiction in the US, the law is clear, both direct evidence and circumstantial evidence are accepted as a means of proof. Neither carries more weight than the other.

What, by the way, is "based on solid evidence" - you lost me there...

GG is the main, and for that matter, the only suspect in the disappearance of Robyn Gardner.
This isn't based on politics
this isn't based on powerful people
This is based on circumstantial evidence which would probably bring charges in the US

As has been witnessed in the Joran Van Der Sloot case, Aruba needs to lighten up on their "hard" evidence policy and try a little more common sense. Their law enforcement reputation has been forever tainted by the JVS case, IMO.

Well it may bring charges but it may not bring a conviction

 

[Dushi]

I'm sorry but you know that is not what I was saying. The inconsistencies I was referring to were GG's not LE's.

GG is still a suspect and can be brought back at any time. I never said they were corrupt, ever. If you do not understand my post then ask me about it.

OK I don't understand your post
You said it may have been political
You said they probably wanted to get rid of him

No, i don't understand at all

And as far as bringing him back, yes they could

But what will change
They had him and they couldn't keep him

 

[Dushi]

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I don't see them letting GG go home as a wrong move. I think it is brillant. They can still bring him back if once the appeal is heard but in the meantime a group of women are able to sleep tonight not having to worry if this man is standing outside their bedroom window stalking them (which he has been accused of in the past).


I don't understand this at all, sorry , no disrepect but I am not sure what you are saying

 

[Dushi]

No, that is not what I'm saying. If this were any determining factor it was a educated decision on the judge's part. T. Stein feels there is enough evidence to try him and has appealed. GG is still a suspect. The judge did not say GG will NEVER be charged only that they are not charging him at this time. In the meantime the FBI is conducting an investigation here in the US. We have no idea, none, nada, zip what was discussed between the FBI and the Aruban authorities.

I don't see them letting GG go home as a wrong move. I think it is brillant. They can still bring him back if once the appeal is heard but in the meantime a group of women are able to sleep tonight not having to worry if this man is standing outside their bedroom window stalking them (which he has been accused of in the past).

GG is not Aruba's problem, he's ours. With all the complaints about him and his abuse he should have been arrested a long time ago and maybe we might not be having this discussion right now.

Let me say this. While I was in Aruba I was a victum of a crime. My condo was broken into and they stole my cell phone and some of my friends jewelry. I was very impressed with LE because they dusted for fingerprints. At home they would have never bothered to do that for a few items. With such a small island I'll bet those fingerprints were on file. jmo

Crime, if there was one, happened in Aruba

And obviously , he was not held on charges in the US, therefor was free to travel

 

[LambChop]

Well it may bring charges but it may not bring a conviction

Exactly, so he was sent home. In the meantime the FBI is still doing their investigation and if they can link him to planning the crime before he left the US he can be charged here. And the US may not need the solid evidence that this judge from Aruba feels is needed. That is the difference between the two countries. jmo

 

[LambChop]

Crime, if there was one, happened in Aruba

And obviously , he was not held on charges in the US, therefor was free to travel

Murder in US has no statute of limitations.

 

[vlpate]

LOL I just find this hilarious

Pointing out that Arubas justice system may be corrupt, IYO , rather than admit we have no information

You know, that worked before...............
JMO

We have NO information? Let me give it a shot:

• GG was the last person to see Robyn
• GG said she was drugged and drinking
• GG said they were a perfectly sober couple
• GG said they went snorkeling, yet there is not one iota of evidence that they did so
• GG said he was desperately trying to find help - we can all see on the video that he was so calm "tapping" on the closed restaurant doors, he may as well have been looking for a beer
• GG claimed the weather was inclement - weather reports and Stine state otherwise
• GG tried to cash in on Robyn's insurance almost immediately
• GG is a forger, which means he would have no qualms about forging Robyn's signature
• GG is an abuser, which means he would have no qualms about losing his temper and strangling or beating Robyn to death
• GG is a theif, and therefore would have no qualms about stealing Robyn's life insurance money
• GG was having financial difficulties
• There was blood on a towel at the scene, it belonged to Robyn - there is no evidence that this blood was from a cut on Robyn's toe
• GG tried to leave the island as quickly as possible, not staying to help look for his friend
• GG would not have gone snorkeling wearing his rug, IMO
• Robyn would not have gone snorkeling with her extensions, IMO and the opinion of anyone who wears the type she had.

There are many circumstantial issues but Aruba wanted him out off their Island. Van Ser Sloot cost them thousands of visitors, they were just recovering - not just IMO, this can easily be verified.

It will take another woman losing her life, but eventually, GG will offend again because he is a violent criminal - that's just how they roll.

 

[Dushi]

Most convictions won in the US are based on circumstantial evidence. Take the Scott Peterson case. There was no direct or "hard" evidence - there was not even a cause of death established.

In virtually every jurisdiction in the US, the law is clear, both direct evidence and circumstantial evidence are accepted as a means of proof. Neither carries more weight than the other.

What, by the way, is "based on solid evidence" - you lost me there...
GG is the main, and for that matter, the only suspect in the disappearance of Robyn Gardner.
This isn't based on politics
this isn't based on powerful people
This is based on circumstantial evidence which would probably bring charges in the US

As has been witnessed in the Joran Van Der Sloot case, Aruba needs to lighten up on their "hard" evidence policy and try a little more common sense. Their law enforcement reputation has been forever tainted by the JVS case, IMO.

I have lost you?

You know, we sit here and discuss opinions
We have no idea what was discussed in a closed court room
But certainly, you must agree, that whatever was discussed, it was not enough to hold or charge this man

This crime happened in Aruba, subject to their laws
It really doesn't matter what the US would do

IMO, if this man is as evil as id suggested, why wasn't he is a US jail instead of free to travel as he wished?

 

[vlpate]

Well it may bring charges but it may not bring a conviction

Read my post again. Most convictions, not arrests, are based on circumstantial evidence. One can try to argue this until the jellyfish come home, it won't change the fact.

 

[Dushi]

Murder in US has no statute of limitations.

Has he been charged with murder in the US?
Will he be?

 

[Dushi]

Read my post again. Most convictions, not arrests, are based on circumstantial evidence. One can try to argue this until the jellyfish come home, it won't change the fact.

Ahh, we agree
it won't change the facts

 

[LambChop]

I have lost you?

You know, we sit here and discuss opinions
We have no idea what was discussed in a closed court room
But certainly, you must agree, that whatever was discussed, it was not enough to hold or charge this man

This crime happened in Aruba, subject to their laws
It really doesn't matter what the US would do

IMO, if this man is as evil as id suggested, why wasn't he is a US jail instead of free to travel as he wished?

The actual crime was committed in Aruba so he falls under their laws. If he, in fact, planned to buy insurance for the sole purpose of making sure RG never returned from their vacation then the crime started in the US and he can be charged with that here. BUT, they must find enough proof that he started the plan while still in the US. jmo

 

[Dushi]

Exactly, so he was sent home. In the meantime the FBI is still doing their investigation and if they can link him to planning the crime before he left the US he can be charged here. And the US may not need the solid evidence that this judge from Aruba feels is needed. That is the difference between the two countries. jmo

Ok
again I am not sure I am getting your point but it does not matter
I hope this all gets solved to everyones satisfaction

 

[Micheline]

In the US he would have been arrested and bonded out. Judge would post his bond, he pays it and out he goes until the trial. If there is no bail they stay in jail. jmo

Why isn't he arrested?

The wife of James Hogan was, while the crime happened in Curacao, Gabe Watson was while the crime happened in Austrialia.

You say for the US there would be enough solid evidence, why is Giordano not arrested?

There is the Passive Personality Principle of International Law (jurisdiction based on the nationality of the victim not the location of the crime)

Maybe there was no crime, maybe the media took a run with this case, planting all sorts of seeds of doubt, false "facts" false reports and lies, for the sake of sensationalism and ratings.
Maybe that is why some people believe Giordano is a murderer while if he was he would not be walking in freedom right now. IMO

 

[Dushi]

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Exactly, so he was sent home. In the meantime the FBI is still doing their investigation and if they can link him to planning the crime before he left the US he can be charged here. And the US may not need the solid evidence that this judge from Aruba feels is needed. That is the difference between the two countries. jmo

The actual crime was committed in Aruba so he falls under their laws. If he, in fact, planned to buy insurance for the sole purpose of making sure RG never returned from their vacation then the crime started in the US and he can be charged with that here. BUT, they must find enough proof that he started the plan while still in the US. jmo



Now I am really confused

 

[LambChop]

Has he been charged with murder in the US?
Will he be?

My guess is it will go before a Federal Grand Jury once the FBI have what is needed to get an indictment. If GG were not still under investigation I think JB would have had a press conference by now. So GG is being investigated by two countries. He should not consider himself to be "lucky" yet. jmo

 

[Micheline]

We have NO information? Let me give it a shot:

• GG was the last person to see Robyn
• GG said she was drugged and drinking
• GG said they were a perfectly sober couple
• GG said they went snorkeling, yet there is not one iota of evidence that they did so
• GG said he was desperately trying to find help - we can all see on the video that he was so calm "tapping" on the closed restaurant doors, he may as well have been looking for a beer
• GG claimed the weather was inclement - weather reports and Stine state otherwise
• GG tried to cash in on Robyn's insurance almost immediately
• GG is a forger, which means he would have no qualms about forging Robyn's signature
• GG is an abuser, which means he would have no qualms about losing his temper and strangling or beating Robyn to death
• GG is a theif, and therefore would have no qualms about stealing Robyn's life insurance money
• GG was having financial difficulties
• There was blood on a towel at the scene, it belonged to Robyn - there is no evidence that this blood was from a cut on Robyn's toe
• GG tried to leave the island as quickly as possible, not staying to help look for his friend
• GG would not have gone snorkeling wearing his rug, IMO
• Robyn would not have gone snorkeling with her extensions, IMO and the opinion of anyone who wears the type she had.

There are many circumstantial issues but Aruba wanted him out off their Island. Van Ser Sloot cost them thousands of visitors, they were just recovering - not just IMO, this can easily be verified.

It will take another woman losing her life, but eventually, GG will offend again because he is a violent criminal - that's just how they roll.

Why isn't Giordano arrested in the USA with all this overwhelming evidence?

 

[vlpate]

Why isn't he arrested?

The wife of James Hogan was, while the crime happened in Curacao, Gabe Watson was while the crime happened in Austrialia.

You say for the US there would be enough solid evidence, why is Giordano not arrested?

There is the Passive Personality Principle of International Law (jurisdiction based on the nationality of the victim not the location of the crime)

Maybe there was no crime, maybe the media took a run with this case, planting all sorts of seeds of doubt, false "facts" false reports and lies, for the sake of sensationalism and ratings.
Maybe that is why some people believe Giordano is a murderer while if he was he would not be walking in freedom right now. IMO

He is the prime suspect in RG's disappearance - it's not like there's nothing linking him Micheline.

I'll bite on the seeds of doubt though - what would those be?

 

[LambChop]

Why isn't Giordano arrested in the USA with all this overwhelming evidence?

My guess is you are not from the US??????