ARUBA - Robyn Gardner, 35, Maryland woman missing in Aruba, 2 Aug 2011 - # 9

[vlpate]

Why isn't he arrested?

The wife of James Hogan was, while the crime happened in Curacao, Gabe Watson was while the crime happened in Austrialia.

You say for the US there would be enough solid evidence, why is Giordano not arrested?

There is the Passive Personality Principle of International Law (jurisdiction based on the nationality of the victim not the location of the crime)

Maybe there was no crime, maybe the media took a run with this case, planting all sorts of seeds of doubt, false "facts" false reports and lies, for the sake of sensationalism and ratings.
Maybe that is why some people believe Giordano is a murderer while if he was he would not be walking in freedom right now. IMO

By the way, Watson was convicted in Australia, after which, a Grand Jury indicted him in the US....no idea whether it has gone to trial yet,

 

[LambChop]

By the way, Watson was convicted in Australia, after which, a Grand Jury indicted him in the US....no idea whether it has gone to trial yet,

Didn't he also by a hefty life insurance policy on her before they left for their honeymoon???

 

[Micheline]

By the way, Watson was convicted in Australia, after which, a Grand Jury indicted him in the US....no idea whether it has gone to trial yet,

BIRMINGHAM, AL (WBRC) - The trial of Gabe Watson will start on Feb. 13. The lawyers expect it could take three weeks, but the judge is setting aside a full month just in case.

http://www.myfoxal.com/story/16453653/gabe-watson-hearing-full-tension-scheduling-challenges

 

[vlpate]

Didn't he also by a hefty life insurance policy on her before they left for their honeymoon???

Yes, he did, and tried to cash in on it AND charge back for their bummer trip.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Tina_Watson#Trial_and_sentence_in_Australia
"Tina's father claimed Watson had asked his daughter to increase her life insurance and make him the sole beneficiary shortly before their wedding. The insurance company confirmed Watson had twice emailed questions about its dive insurance policies before the honeymoon and had asked about her insurance shortly after Tina's death. Watson also claimed hundreds of thousands of dollars from a travel insurance policy."

"In March 2005, Watson launched legal action in Alabama's Jefferson County Circuit Court to recoup the cost of their trip after the travel insurance company refused a payout. He was seeking $45,000 for the accidental death plus compensation for trip interruption, medical expenses, phone calls, taxi fares, fees for extra credit card statements and unspecified punitive damages for mental and emotional anguish."

Real piece of work. I think he was the text book case for GG - he must have missed the US indictment. The big difference here, no body.

 

[LambChop]

Yes, he did, and tried to cash in on it AND charge back for their bummer trip.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Tina_Watson#Trial_and_sentence_in_Australia
"Tina's father claimed Watson had asked his daughter to increase her life insurance and make him the sole beneficiary shortly before their wedding. The insurance company confirmed Watson had twice emailed questions about its dive insurance policies before the honeymoon and had asked about her insurance shortly after Tina's death. Watson also claimed hundreds of thousands of dollars from a travel insurance policy."

"In March 2005, Watson launched legal action in Alabama's Jefferson County Circuit Court to recoup the cost of their trip after the travel insurance company refused a payout. He was seeking $45,000 for the accidental death plus compensation for trip interruption, medical expenses, phone calls, taxi fares, fees for extra credit card statements and unspecified punitive damages for mental and emotional anguish."

Real piece of work. I think he was the text book case for GG - he must have missed the US indictment. The big difference here, no body.

Yep. Another sweetheart.

 

[katydid23]

Why isn't he arrested?

The wife of James Hogan was, while the crime happened in Curacao, Gabe Watson was while the crime happened in Austrialia.

You say for the US there would be enough solid evidence, why is Giordano not arrested?

There is the Passive Personality Principle of International Law (jurisdiction based on the nationality of the victim not the location of the crime)

Maybe there was no crime, maybe the media took a run with this case, planting all sorts of seeds of doubt, false "facts" false reports and lies, for the sake of sensationalism and ratings.
Maybe that is why some people believe Giordano is a murderer while if he was he would not be walking in freedom right now. IMO

BBM

There was a crime. Robyn is missing and presumed dead at this point. He was the last person to be with her before she went missing. His story has so many inconsistencies that it is obviously incorrect. So a crime HAS been committed. imo

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

BBM

There was a crime. Robyn is missing and presumed dead at this point. He was the last person to be with her before she went missing. His story has so many inconsistencies that it is obviously incorrect. So a crime HAS been committed. imo

I know. That is what I thought you were getting at. That just about sums up this thread, unfortunately I have heard Aruba doesn't care. They just don't like the guy and have gifted him to the U.S.....Go figure, huh??

 

[LambChop]

I know. That is what I thought you were getting at. That just about sums up this thread, unfortunately I have heard Aruba doesn't care. They just don't like the guy and have gifted him to the U.S.....Go figure, huh??

Hey....he could have talked RG into a cruise and aren't the cruise lines in enough trouble as it is now. Remember a cruise was his first choice. GG was a big problem long before he ever set foot on Aruban soil. He's an aburser and RG appears to have been the perfect target. And if Aruba doesn't care, you can't blame them. He's big trouble. jmo

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

Hey....he could have talked RG into a cruise and aren't the cruise lines in enough trouble as it is now. Remember a cruise was his first choice. GG was a big problem long before he ever set foot on Aruban soil. He's an aburser and RG appears to have been the perfect target. And if Aruba doesn't care, you can't blame them. He's big trouble. jmo

What I do not understand , so help me out here. For months now the "inconsistencies" and "red flags" were all that mattered when it came to GG's statement to ALE. Whenever someone had a "possible" explanation, it was met with disgust that he would LIE like he did to ALE. ALE was all that was talked about, and of course how wonderful and fair ARUBA was.

Now we find out "in your opinion" Aruba may not even care what happened to Robyn, and GG's "inconsistent red flags" really mean nothing, since it isn't Aruba's problem anymore, rather ours in the U.S.

....and by the way that is also my belief, but I never defended the "integrity" of that beautiful, sleepy little island, that just wants all "BAD THINGS" to go away so they can get back to their idyllic daily lives.

Forgive me if this sounds like a rant, but perhaps we should be discussing what charges, if any, the U.S. will be able to arrest GG on....since he will not be welcomed back in Aruba any time soon.

I sincerely hope this is not the case, because yet again Aruba has lost a U.S. citizen and will "again" leave a family without answers...:sigh::twocents:

 

[LambChop]

What I do not understand , so help me out here. For months now the "inconsistencies" and "red flags" were all that mattered when it came to GG's statement to ALE. Whenever someone had a "possible" explanation, it was met with disgust that he would LIE like he did to ALE. ALE was all that was talked about, and of course how wonderful and fair ARUBA was.

Now we find out "in your opinion" Aruba may not even care what happened to Robyn, and GG's "inconsistent red flags" really mean nothing, since it isn't Aruba's problem anymore, rather ours in the U.S..

...and by the way that is also my belief, but I never defended the "integrity" of that beautiful, sleepy little island, that just wants all "BAD THINGS" to go away so they can get back to their idyllic daily lives.

Forgive me if this sounds like a rant, but perhaps we should be discussing what charges, if any, the U.S. will be able to arrest GG on....since he will not be welcomed back in Aruba any time soon.

I sincerely hope this is not the case, because yet again Aruba has lost a U.S. citizen and will "again" leave a family without answers...:sigh::twocents:

I think what some of us are injecting our own feelings into this matter instead of being objective. The red flags seems to have set off some aggravation amongst some of our posters. It is what it is. It is what we know. It's hard to believe that there is confusion when it pretty clear he has lied. If you can understand laws in other countries the US is not that difficult to understand.

Also, the FBI has been working along side of the Aruban authorities. GG IS STILL A SUSPECT. Did they want him off the island, obviously. Did they do something they shouldn't have? No. They did what they felt they needed to do and let him go. If T. Stein wins his appeal GG will be brought back. In the meantime the FBI is still looking into it. It's not instant pudding you have to let the legal system work. jmo

 

[Elley Mae]

Has he been charged with murder in the US?
Will he be?

What murder pray tell?

There is no evidence of a murder so he will (jmo)not(jmo) be charged with one.

jmo

 

[Saracen]

What murder pray tell?

There is no evidence of a murder so he will (jmo)not(jmo) be charged with one.

jmo

Maybe at the moment its a missing person presumed dead?..

 

[neesaki]

What murder pray tell?

There is no evidence of a murder so he will (jmo)not(jmo) be charged with one.

jmo

What do you base your statement on, that "there is no evidence of a murder"?

There is also no evidence that Gary Giordano is innocent.

If you go back and read the Timeline, and the list of Inconsistencies that Niner has so graciously provided us and posted here, and the list of Red Flags by Lambchop, maybe this will help clarify the situation for you. This is all the information that is known in this case.

Maybe you're of the belief that Robyn was not murdered, but trafficked to Venezuela or elsewhere? Though, ijmo that it's less likely than the homicide explanation, I personally was one who believed it was a strong possibility for the longest time, and have never 100% dismissed it. But that's just my opinion.

Whatever the case, murder or kidnapping, it is just a widely held opinion that GG is responsible for whatever happened to Robyn, and this opinion is based on known facts, improbabilities, and inconsistencies in GG's story. Also, if ALE did not believe he was guilty of something, they would not have been able to hold him for four months, which is the longest they could hold him and not go to trial. The Aruban judge made the decision, one that Taco Stein did not agree with and appealed.

It's unfortunate that the Aruba legal system works to the exclusion of circumstantial evidence when it comes to their ability or willingness to secure an indictment. But that is just that, the way it works in Aruba. GG is still the prime suspect, and things are still 'not right in Denmark', and will not be until GG has to answer for what he did to Robyn. But that's jmo.

 

[Elley Mae]

I don't know what happened. But I have not seen or read one thing that indicates he murdered robyn. Something happened for sure, but what?

 

[Saracen]

What do you base your statement on, that "there is no evidence of a murder"?

There is also no evidence that Gary Giordano is innocent. GG is still the prime suspect, and things are still 'not right in Denmark', and will not be until GG has to answer for what he did to Robyn. But that's jmo.

And also there is no evidence that he is guilty, athough his previous record leaves a lot to be desired, that is a fact, otherwise he would have been charged..

 

[katydid23]

I don't know what happened. But I have not seen or read one thing that indicates he murdered robyn. Something happened for sure, but what?

Well then what happened to her? Do you think she died in a snorkeling accident? Because that is what GG swears happened. So if it is not that,then what?

 

[Dushi]

I don't know what happened. But I have not seen or read one thing that indicates he murdered robyn. Something happened for sure, but what?

You are correct
Other than the fact that Robyn is missing and circumstances are very questionable to say the least, there is no proof a murder took place

And because there is no evidence of a crime that would stand up in a court of law, Aruba set GG free

 

[LambChop]

And also there is no evidence that he is guilty, athough his previous record leaves a lot to be desired, that is a fact, otherwise he would have been charged..

He has not been charged YET.....he is still a suspect. That does not sound as if the Aruban authorities think this was an accident. When you are a suspect there is more evidence of a crime than there is of an accident or they would have closed the case. There is evidence he lied in his statement that it was an accident. We are not talking about one inconsistency, we are talking about more than two, more than three, more than ten.

Sometimes it just takes time to build a case. Aruba was forced to arrest GG because he tried to leave the country. They are limited by their law as to how long they can hold him before he is charged. In today's world many feel the need to have instant results and clearly this case may take some time to come together. In the meantime those red flags tend to irritate those who think he's getting a raw deal here.

It's possible the Aruban's are waiting for remains to wash up, or get caught up in a fishman's net so they can determine the location she went into the water. This would be significant information, IMO. We just have to wait. jmo

 

[Dushi]

He has not been charged YET.....he is still a suspect. That does not sound as if the Aruban authorities think this was an accident. When you are a suspect there is more evidence of a crime than there is of an accident or they would have closed the case. There is evidence he lied in his statement that it was an accident. We are not talking about one inconsistency, we are talking about more than two, more than three, more than ten.

Sometimes it just takes time to build a case. Aruba was forced to arrest GG because he tried to leave the country. They are limited by their law as to how long they can hold him before he is charged. In today's world many feel the need to have instant results and clearly this case may take some time to come together. In the meantime those red flags tend to irritate those who think he's getting a raw deal here.

It's possible the Aruban's are waiting for remains to wash up, or get caught up in a fishman's net so they can determine the location she went into the water. This would be significant information, IMO. We just have to wait. jmo

That is very true, it would certainly change everything

One thing though, they could have held him longer but a judge ruled they didn't have enough to do so

 

[LambChop]

In the US they would build a case, then arrest him. In Aruba they had to arrest him to keep him on the island while they did their investigation. At the point GG was leaving the island there was enough evidence to arrest him as a suspect of a crime in her death. Their investigation is still ongoing so they either had to charge him or let him go. At this point in their investigation the judge felt they are not ready to charge him, even though T. Stein's opinion differs from the judge. So essentially he is not free from being charged of a crime in the future. Until Aruba dismisses GG as a suspect and claims there was no crime GG could still be sent back for charges. jmo