I agree with you totally and unequivocally. No one should have been allowed to wander anywhere in the home. What if the drug/alcohol crazed enemy of John had been hiding in the hidden room, waiting to claim an additional victim. LA did nothing to contain anyone or anything happening, including cleaning away potential evidence or wandering through a 'kidnapping scene'.
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I agree with you totally and unequivocally. No one should have been allowed to wander anywhere in the home. What if the drug/alcohol crazed enemy of John had been hiding in the hidden room, waiting to claim an additional victim. LA did nothing to contain anyone or anything happening, including cleaning away potential evidence or wandering through a 'kidnapping scene'.
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Detective Arndt Arrival
~8:10 AM Arndt Arrived. Linda Arndt arrives at Ramsey house at "approximately" 8:00 AM (Byfield 1997:1); she monitored incoming phone calls to the Ramsey residence from approximately 0800-1300 hours (Byfield 1997:2). Patterson's arrival time is not mentioned in the search warrant affidavit, but Schiller (1999a:10) has him arriving with Arndt at 8:10 AM. "Detective Arndt and Patterson arrived at the Ramsey house at 8:10 a.m., and Officer Rick French gave them an updated briefing." (Thomas 2000:22).
Time Unstated Advocates Brought Food. "Early that morning, police had called in a team of victims' advocates, trained in helping families through traumatic situations, who arrived with bagels and coffee." (Glick et al. 1998).
Time Unstated Police Tapped Phones. BPD followed standard procedure by putting taps inside the house and at John Ramsey's office (Glick et al. 1998).
Time Unstated Arndt Instructed John Ramsey. "Linda Arndt told John Ramsey what to say if the ransomer called: demand to talk to JonBenét. John Ramsey took notes. "Must talk to JB," he scribbled." (Glick et al., 1998).
Time Unstated Advocates Cleaned Kitchen. "After using the kitchen, the advocates began tidying it up, a law-enforcement official told NEWSWEEK. One friend helped clean the kitchen, wiping down the counters with a spray cleaner--and possibly wiping away important evidence." (Glick et al. 1998).
8:36 AM JAR and MR Board Plane. John Andrew and Melinda Ramsey borded a Delta flight to Minneapolis (AngelFire timeline).
~9:30 AM Sergeant Whitson Arrived. BPD Sergeant Bob Whitson arrived at house, entering through rear exterior kitchen door (Byfield 1997:4).
10:00 AM-1:00 PM
~10:30 AM JBR Bedroom Sealed. "JonBenét's bedroom had been sealed off by Detectives Arndt and Fred Patterson at approximately 1030 hours (Byfield 1997:2). "Police reports also show that officers did little to protect the integrity of the crime scene. Believing the crime was a kidnapping, the cops cordoned off JonBenét's bedroom with yellow and black crime-scene tape to preserve whatever evidence her abductor may have left behind. But strangely, they didn't seal the rest of the house--also potentially part of the crime scene" (Glick et al. 1998).
Time Unstated "In the early afternoon, after the forensics team and other officers had packed up and left, Detective Arndt stayed behind to wait with the Ramseys." (Glick et al. 1998).
Before 1:00 PM Arndt Tells John Ramsey to Search House. "The mood in the house was quiet and tense. John Ramsey milled anxiously around the living room; Patsy sat virtually motionless in a chair. Arndt noted in her police report that she wanted to give John Ramsey something to do "to keep his mind occupied." She pulled Ramsey and friend Fleet White aside and told them to conduct a "top to bottom" search of the house to see if anything seemed amiss." (Glick et al. 1998).
Body Found
~1:00 PM John Ramsey & Fleet White Search Basement. "At approximately 1300 hours Detective Arndt asked John Ramsey, and his friends Fleet White and John Fernie, to check the interior of the residence for any sign of JonBenét, or anything that may have been left or taken that belonged to JonBenét...John Ramsey immediately went to the basement of the house, followed by Fleet White and John Fernie (Byfield 1997:2). Other accounts make no mention of Fernie. "Later that afternoon, Mr. Ramsey and Mr. White together returned to the basement at the suggestion of the Boulder Police. (SMF P 32; PSMF P 32; White Dep. at 212-217; J. Ramsey Dep. at 17-20.) During this joint search of the basement, the men first examined the playroom and observed the broken window. (SMF P 33; PSMF P 33.) The men next searched a shower stall located in the basement. (SMF P 34; PSMF P 34.) Mr. Ramsey then noticed a heavy fireplace grate propped in front of a closet and Mr. White moved the grate so the closet could be searched. (SMF P 35; PSMF P 35.) Upon finding nothing unusual in the closet, the men proceeded to the wine cellar room. Mr. Ramsey entered the room first, turned on the light and, upon discovery of JonBenét's dead body, he exclaimed "Oh my God, my baby." (SMF P 36, 37; PSMF P 36, 37; White Dep. at 162-63, 193-93.)Ramsey & Ramsey (2001:21) reports only that John took Fleet White to the basement.
1:05 PM JBR Body Found. "Mr. Ramsey entered the room first, turned on the light and, upon discovery of JonBenét's dead body, he exclaimed "Oh my God, my baby." (SMF P 36, 37; PSMF P 36, 37; White Dep. at 162-63, 193-93.)" (Carnes 2003:14). The time is listed as 1:05 in the Ramsey's account (Ramsey & Ramsey 2001:22). Newsweek reports John Ramsey as later stating ""All I could do was scream, to try to attract attention." he says." (Glick et al. 1998).
After 1:05 PM Duct Tape Removed. "JonBenét had black duct tape covering her mouth, a cord around her neck that was attached to a wooden garrote, and her hands were bound over her head in front of her; she was covered by a light-colored blanket. (SMF P 38; PSMF P 38.) ....Mr. Ramsey ripped the duct tape off JonBenét's mouth and attempted to untie her hands. (SMF P 39; PSMF P 39.)" (Carnes 2003:16-17).
~1:05 PM Fleet White Calls for Ambulance. "Within a few minutes" of going into basement, Fleet White came running upstairs, grabbed the telephone in the back office located on the first floor, and yelled for someone to call an ambulance (Byfield 1997:2). "Fleet White bounded up the stairs yelling for someone to "call 911."" (Glick et al. 1998).
1:05 PM Byfield Notified. BPD officer Jim Byfield is notified that JBR body had been found (Byfield 1997:1)
After 1:05 PM JBR Carried Upstairs "He then carried her body upstairs. (SMF P 39; PSMF P 39.)" (Carnes 2003:17). "Ramsey ripped the duct tape off JonBenét's mouth and carried her up the stairs, setting her down on the floor. Though it's unclear why, Arndt then picked up the body again and moved it to the living room near the Christmas tree where Ramsey knelt beside her, repeating "My little angel," over and over. Friends carried Patsy, too stunned to walk, over to the body. Police reports describe her throwing herself over JonBenét." (Glick et al. 1998).
After 1:05 PM Arndt Requested Backup. "Arndt quickly called for backup, declaring a "Code Black"--police lingo for murder--over the radio. The forensic team return to the house." (Glick et al. 1998).
After 1:05 PM Officers Weiss and Everett Arrive. Between 1:05 pm and 1:30 pm BPD officer Barry Weiss and Det. Michael Everett arrive at Ramseys (Schiller 1999a:21).
After 1:05 PM Everett Searched Basement. "After the discovery of the girl's body" Everett "walked through the basement area of the house to attempt to determine if any person were present in the basement" (Byfield 1997:2). This search includes the wine cellar (Schiller 1999a:21).
1:30 PM Walker and Mason Searched Basement. BPD officers Ron Walker and Larry Mason saw JonBenét's body in the living room and then searched the basement and the wine cellar; Mason decides to secure the house (Schiller 1999a:21).
1:30 PM Priscilla White Calls Niece. Priscilla White calls her niece at the White home, to report the murder (Schiller 1999a:46).
~1:30 PM John Calls Pilot. "Twenty minutes later after Arndt moves body, John is overheard placing a phone call to his pilot to ready the plane to head for Atlanta. Police instruct them not to leave town, so they stay at a friend's home in Boulder" (Crime Library timeline).
1:45 PM Ramseys Leave for Fernie's. The Ramseys left their home to stay with the Fernie's. Attorney friend Mike Bynum advised them to get lawyers (AngelFire timeline).
1:50 PM House Secured "It was only upon the discovery of JonBenét's body that the Boulder police began to secure properly the home as the crime scene. (SMF P 53; PSMF P 53.)" (Carnes 2003:17). Schiller lists the time this happened as 1:50 PM(1999a:23).
Approximately 2:00 PM John and Melinda Arrived. As the Ramseys are leaving their home, John Andrew Ramsey, Melinda Ramsey and Stewart Long (Melinda's fiancé) arrived in front of the house ([ame="http://www.crimeshots.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33"]timeline[/ame]). The AngelFire timeline does not have them arriving until 7:55 PM.
2:30 PM Det. Arndt visits the Ramseys at the Fernie's house (Schiller 1999a:23).
~2:30 PM Burke Interviewed by BPD. "At approximately the same time" Det. Patterson talked to Burke Ramsey at the White's house; Burke reportedly had "slept through the events of the previous night" (Schiller 1999a:23).
Time Unspecifiedj John Ramsey Hired Attorney Mike Bynum. "Michael Bynum, John Ramsey's close friend and corpprate attorney, who had been away snowshoing, now arrived at the Fernie's house. As he walked in, the family was kneeling in the living room praying with Rev. Hoverstock. [There is then a description of John's going for a walk with John Fernie in the hills] "When they returned a half hour later, Ramsey asked Bynum to represent him." (Schiller 1999a:27).
Evening
~8:00 PM Pathologist Arrived. Dr. John Meyer, MD, pathologist, arrived at "approximately" 8:00 PM to examine body.
~8:20 PM Meyer Entered House. Dr. Meyer entered the Ramsey residence at "approximately" 8:20 PM.
8:20 PM First Search Warrant Executed. Police obtain search warrant for Ramsey premises and vehicles in Boulder; search conducted 8:20 PM (Byfield 1997:3).
~8:20-8:30 Meyer Examined Body. [Meyer "initially viewed the body in the living room of the house. The decedent was laying on her back on the floor, covered by a blanket and a Colorado Avalanche sweatshirt. On removing these two items from the top of the body the decedent was found to be lying on her back with her arms extended up over her head. The head was turned to the right. A brief examination of the body disclosed a ligature around the neck and a ligature around the right wrist. Also noted was a small area of abrasion or contusion below the right ear on the lateral aspect of the right cheek. A prominent dried abrasion was present on the lower left neck."
~8:30 PM Meyer Left. After examining the body, Dr. Meyer left the residence at approximately 8:30 p.m.
10:45 PM Body Removed. JBR body removed from house.
11:44 PM Detective Arndt Left. Detective Linda Arndt was last to leave the house.
Detective Arndt Arrival
~8:10 AM Arndt Arrived. Linda Arndt arrives at Ramsey house at "approximately" 8:00 AM (Byfield 1997:1); she monitored incoming phone calls to the Ramsey residence from approximately 0800-1300 hours (Byfield 1997:2). Patterson's arrival time is not mentioned in the search warrant affidavit, but Schiller (1999a:10) has him arriving with Arndt at 8:10 AM. "Detective Arndt and Patterson arrived at the Ramsey house at 8:10 a.m., and Officer Rick French gave them an updated briefing." (Thomas 2000:22).
Time Unstated Advocates Brought Food. "Early that morning, police had called in a team of victims' advocates, trained in helping families through traumatic situations, who arrived with bagels and coffee." (Glick et al. 1998).
Time Unstated Police Tapped Phones. BPD followed standard procedure by putting taps inside the house and at John Ramsey's office (Glick et al. 1998).
Time Unstated Arndt Instructed John Ramsey. "Linda Arndt told John Ramsey what to say if the ransomer called: demand to talk to JonBenét. John Ramsey took notes. "Must talk to JB," he scribbled." (Glick et al., 1998).
Time Unstated Advocates Cleaned Kitchen. "After using the kitchen, the advocates began tidying it up, a law-enforcement official told NEWSWEEK. One friend helped clean the kitchen, wiping down the counters with a spray cleaner--and possibly wiping away important evidence." (Glick et al. 1998).
8:36 AM JAR and MR Board Plane. John Andrew and Melinda Ramsey borded a Delta flight to Minneapolis (AngelFire timeline).
~9:30 AM Sergeant Whitson Arrived. BPD Sergeant Bob Whitson arrived at house, entering through rear exterior kitchen door (Byfield 1997:4).
10:00 AM-1:00 PM
~10:30 AM JBR Bedroom Sealed. "JonBenét's bedroom had been sealed off by Detectives Arndt and Fred Patterson at approximately 1030 hours (Byfield 1997:2). "Police reports also show that officers did little to protect the integrity of the crime scene. Believing the crime was a kidnapping, the cops cordoned off JonBenét's bedroom with yellow and black crime-scene tape to preserve whatever evidence her abductor may have left behind. But strangely, they didn't seal the rest of the house--also potentially part of the crime scene" (Glick et al. 1998).
Time Unstated "In the early afternoon, after the forensics team and other officers had packed up and left, Detective Arndt stayed behind to wait with the Ramseys." (Glick et al. 1998).
Before 1:00 PM Arndt Tells John Ramsey to Search House. "The mood in the house was quiet and tense. John Ramsey milled anxiously around the living room; Patsy sat virtually motionless in a chair. Arndt noted in her police report that she wanted to give John Ramsey something to do "to keep his mind occupied." She pulled Ramsey and friend Fleet White aside and told them to conduct a "top to bottom" search of the house to see if anything seemed amiss." (Glick et al. 1998).
Body Found
~1:00 PM John Ramsey & Fleet White Search Basement. "At approximately 1300 hours Detective Arndt asked John Ramsey, and his friends Fleet White and John Fernie, to check the interior of the residence for any sign of JonBenét, or anything that may have been left or taken that belonged to JonBenét...John Ramsey immediately went to the basement of the house, followed by Fleet White and John Fernie (Byfield 1997:2). Other accounts make no mention of Fernie. "Later that afternoon, Mr. Ramsey and Mr. White together returned to the basement at the suggestion of the Boulder Police. (SMF P 32; PSMF P 32; White Dep. at 212-217; J. Ramsey Dep. at 17-20.) During this joint search of the basement, the men first examined the playroom and observed the broken window. (SMF P 33; PSMF P 33.) The men next searched a shower stall located in the basement. (SMF P 34; PSMF P 34.) Mr. Ramsey then noticed a heavy fireplace grate propped in front of a closet and Mr. White moved the grate so the closet could be searched. (SMF P 35; PSMF P 35.) Upon finding nothing unusual in the closet, the men proceeded to the wine cellar room. Mr. Ramsey entered the room first, turned on the light and, upon discovery of JonBenét's dead body, he exclaimed "Oh my God, my baby." (SMF P 36, 37; PSMF P 36, 37; White Dep. at 162-63, 193-93.)Ramsey & Ramsey (2001:21) reports only that John took Fleet White to the basement.
1:05 PM JBR Body Found. "Mr. Ramsey entered the room first, turned on the light and, upon discovery of JonBenét's dead body, he exclaimed "Oh my God, my baby." (SMF P 36, 37; PSMF P 36, 37; White Dep. at 162-63, 193-93.)" (Carnes 2003:14). The time is listed as 1:05 in the Ramsey's account (Ramsey & Ramsey 2001:22). Newsweek reports John Ramsey as later stating ""All I could do was scream, to try to attract attention." he says." (Glick et al. 1998).
After 1:05 PM Duct Tape Removed. "JonBenét had black duct tape covering her mouth, a cord around her neck that was attached to a wooden garrote, and her hands were bound over her head in front of her; she was covered by a light-colored blanket. (SMF P 38; PSMF P 38.) ....Mr. Ramsey ripped the duct tape off JonBenét's mouth and attempted to untie her hands. (SMF P 39; PSMF P 39.)" (Carnes 2003:16-17).
~1:05 PM Fleet White Calls for Ambulance. "Within a few minutes" of going into basement, Fleet White came running upstairs, grabbed the telephone in the back office located on the first floor, and yelled for someone to call an ambulance (Byfield 1997:2). "Fleet White bounded up the stairs yelling for someone to "call 911."" (Glick et al. 1998).
1:05 PM Byfield Notified. BPD officer Jim Byfield is notified that JBR body had been found (Byfield 1997:1)
After 1:05 PM JBR Carried Upstairs "He then carried her body upstairs. (SMF P 39; PSMF P 39.)" (Carnes 2003:17). "Ramsey ripped the duct tape off JonBenét's mouth and carried her up the stairs, setting her down on the floor. Though it's unclear why, Arndt then picked up the body again and moved it to the living room near the Christmas tree where Ramsey knelt beside her, repeating "My little angel," over and over. Friends carried Patsy, too stunned to walk, over to the body. Police reports describe her throwing herself over JonBenét." (Glick et al. 1998).
After 1:05 PM Arndt Requested Backup. "Arndt quickly called for backup, declaring a "Code Black"--police lingo for murder--over the radio. The forensic team return to the house." (Glick et al. 1998).
After 1:05 PM Officers Weiss and Everett Arrive. Between 1:05 pm and 1:30 pm BPD officer Barry Weiss and Det. Michael Everett arrive at Ramseys (Schiller 1999a:21).
After 1:05 PM Everett Searched Basement. "After the discovery of the girl's body" Everett "walked through the basement area of the house to attempt to determine if any person were present in the basement" (Byfield 1997:2). This search includes the wine cellar (Schiller 1999a:21).
1:30 PM Walker and Mason Searched Basement. BPD officers Ron Walker and Larry Mason saw JonBenét's body in the living room and then searched the basement and the wine cellar; Mason decides to secure the house (Schiller 1999a:21).
1:30 PM Priscilla White Calls Niece. Priscilla White calls her niece at the White home, to report the murder (Schiller 1999a:46).
~1:30 PM John Calls Pilot. "Twenty minutes later after Arndt moves body, John is overheard placing a phone call to his pilot to ready the plane to head for Atlanta. Police instruct them not to leave town, so they stay at a friend's home in Boulder" (Crime Library timeline).
1:45 PM Ramseys Leave for Fernie's. The Ramseys left their home to stay with the Fernie's. Attorney friend Mike Bynum advised them to get lawyers (AngelFire timeline).
1:50 PM House Secured "It was only upon the discovery of JonBenét's body that the Boulder police began to secure properly the home as the crime scene. (SMF P 53; PSMF P 53.)" (Carnes 2003:17). Schiller lists the time this happened as 1:50 PM(1999a:23).
Approximately 2:00 PM John and Melinda Arrived. As the Ramseys are leaving their home, John Andrew Ramsey, Melinda Ramsey and Stewart Long (Melinda's fiancé) arrived in front of the house ([ame="http://www.crimeshots.com/forums/showthread.php?t=33"]timeline[/ame]). The AngelFire timeline does not have them arriving until 7:55 PM.
2:30 PM Det. Arndt visits the Ramseys at the Fernie's house (Schiller 1999a:23).
~2:30 PM Burke Interviewed by BPD. "At approximately the same time" Det. Patterson talked to Burke Ramsey at the White's house; Burke reportedly had "slept through the events of the previous night" (Schiller 1999a:23).
Time Unspecifiedj John Ramsey Hired Attorney Mike Bynum. "Michael Bynum, John Ramsey's close friend and corpprate attorney, who had been away snowshoing, now arrived at the Fernie's house. As he walked in, the family was kneeling in the living room praying with Rev. Hoverstock. [There is then a description of John's going for a walk with John Fernie in the hills] "When they returned a half hour later, Ramsey asked Bynum to represent him." (Schiller 1999a:27).
Evening
~8:00 PM Pathologist Arrived. Dr. John Meyer, MD, pathologist, arrived at "approximately" 8:00 PM to examine body.
~8:20 PM Meyer Entered House. Dr. Meyer entered the Ramsey residence at "approximately" 8:20 PM.
8:20 PM First Search Warrant Executed. Police obtain search warrant for Ramsey premises and vehicles in Boulder; search conducted 8:20 PM (Byfield 1997:3).
~8:20-8:30 Meyer Examined Body. [Meyer "initially viewed the body in the living room of the house. The decedent was laying on her back on the floor, covered by a blanket and a Colorado Avalanche sweatshirt. On removing these two items from the top of the body the decedent was found to be lying on her back with her arms extended up over her head. The head was turned to the right. A brief examination of the body disclosed a ligature around the neck and a ligature around the right wrist. Also noted was a small area of abrasion or contusion below the right ear on the lateral aspect of the right cheek. A prominent dried abrasion was present on the lower left neck."
~8:30 PM Meyer Left. After examining the body, Dr. Meyer left the residence at approximately 8:30 p.m.
10:45 PM Body Removed. JBR body removed from house.
11:44 PM Detective Arndt Left. Detective Linda Arndt was last to leave the house.
Heyya MF.
LA was well occupied that day, mostly waiting for others to arrive at the scene.
But I wonder, if the exchange between her and JR was so intense why she didn't act upon that,and restrict JR's movements within the house?
LA was well occupied that day, mostly waiting for others to arrive at the scene.
But I wonder, if the exchange between her and JR was so intense why she didn't act upon that,and restrict JR's movements within the house?
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Do you mean the 'exchange' of a look by JR that she interpreted as threatening? If so, I think that happened when he brought JBR from the cellar. That's after the time we are discussing. Yes she was waiting, but not actually doing anything as far as I can ascertain. I suspect she was with PR after reading that article.
Whatever Ardt did or didn't do correctly, it is rather insulting to describe her activities at the home as "being off with the fairies". Where she WAS was trying to secure an active crime scene alone with unauthorized people wandering all over it. You have no way of knowing where JR was or what he was doing. I doubt he left the house, but it can't be stated as fact that he did NOT move his daughter's body any more that it can be stated as fact that he DID. I for one, do not think he moved her, but I do think he was in the WC during that time. If he moved her at all, he moved her from further back in the room to closer to the door to be more easily seen. That would explain why FW didn't see her- he was also puzzled why he didn't- because where she was found should have been able to be seen when he opened the door, even without turning the lights on. Tests were done in the basement and it was determined that there was enough ambient light from the area outside the WC to see inside when the door was opened, even with the light off in the room.
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I think it would be more useful to just wonder why FW didn't see the body, than to assume because he didn't see it, it therefore wasn't there, so then to also assume that JR went missing (because LA lost sight of him) and so then you can assume that he must have moved the body closer!! FW just didn't see it, so did he lie about looking in the cellar or did he actually see it but didn't know what it was (being wrapped in a blanket) or did he see it, know it was JBR and pretended not to have seen it at all. He also acted very strangely both on that day and thenceforth. IMO it's FW who needs a closer look.
Certainly the possibilities you suggest may be the case- she was there, but he didn't see her, she was there, he saw her but wasn't sure what it was he was looking at. I don't see why he'd have lied about looking in the basement. If he had been involved, the basement is the last place he'd want to be associated with.
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Well, you seem to assume that JR lied about things, and you therefore concluded it must have been because he was involved in her murder. So if FW lied, wouldn't you conclude that he must have been involved instead??
I suppose anyone might infer that. However, I don't believe FW was lying. There is nothing that has been shown to indicate FW lied about anything. He hasn't been caught in a lie.
The R's on the other hand, have been. Don't ask for a list. You know what they are.
Heyya MF.
yep, the look, but 20 minutes later JR is "overheard" making flight plans. She allowed his freedom of movement. 20 mins after discovery of the body he's on the phone.
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Hi Tad
You said that she should have restricted his movements, due to the 'look'. But I just pointed out that the 'look' occurred after the time he was supposedly missing.
The business about the discussion with the pilot you mention above is an entirely different matter, I'm not sure why you brought that up?
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I really don't follow your reasoning.
If FW was involved, according to you, the cellar would have been the last place he would have gone.
However, you do believe JR was involved and you also believe that because it was the first place he went!!
I can't fathom why you differentiate between them in that way. According to you, a guillty FW would behave in the exact opposite way to the way you say a guilty JR behaved.
Heyya MF.
oh well, then, I guess I'm off topic aaaaa
.....gain.
As for the discussion of JR movements within the house, as LA recounts events, it is noteworthy that even after she felt the need to be able to
draw her gun, she continues to allow JR that freedom of movement.
Her failure to control the scene, creates a sort of guilt by association to JR's actions.
oh well, then, I guess I'm off topic aaaaa
.....gain.
As for the discussion of JR movements within the house, as LA recounts events, it is noteworthy that even after she felt the need to be able to
draw her gun, she continues to allow JR that freedom of movement.
Her failure to control the scene, creates a sort of guilt by association to JR's actions.
Q for SD.
I've been wondering ...
with respect to CW's analysis of the rn and SD's inquiries to CW....
how the limitations of the analysis, the limitations and modifacations and alterations of the format of the analysis, (catagories within the analysis format had to be omited because the rn was written in marker.)
I wonder how a modified format
affects the general results.
Can the results be scewed as a result?
DID CW include catagories of analysis that others did not?
I've been wondering ...
with respect to CW's analysis of the rn and SD's inquiries to CW....
how the limitations of the analysis, the limitations and modifacations and alterations of the format of the analysis, (catagories within the analysis format had to be omited because the rn was written in marker.)
I wonder how a modified format
affects the general results.
Can the results be scewed as a result?
DID CW include catagories of analysis that others did not?
I'd have to ask her to be sure. But yes, as far as I know, results can be skewed by the modified format. Markers are not ideal implements for examination. And as for including categories that others did not, she certainly hinted at that.
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Yeah, I guess she was WAY out of her depth, as were the entire BPD.
You have to wonder if the person responsible really did know about LE 'countermeasues'. To have committed the crime on Christmas Day was an absolute master stroke.
Sadly, they may not have fared much better on another day of the year.
I differentiate because JR is guilty and FW is not. JR KNEW where her body was. It was his home, he knew every nook and cranny.
He could also see the body immediately, without stepping into the room or turning on a light. FW stood at the door for a bit, looking for a light switch and still saw nothing. Obviously John KNEW she was there, or she had been moved there AFTER FW looked in the room.
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Actually, I think the better answer is to consider the personal connection JR had to his daughter. If he had indeed found her earlier and presumably was finishing off some staging, he would then be wanting her to be found quickly afterwards.
It's the PERSONAL aspect of it that is the concern.
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JR is guilty?? FW is not?? JR knew where her body was??
Doesn't sound like an "I think" or "I believe" or even "perhaps", you stated you ACTUALLY KNOW THIS TO BE CORRECT??
Proof, of the above if you have any, thanks very much.
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